North Korea Conflict Thread

britchard

Pelican
China is as communist as Katy Perry is Christian. I suspect the new generation feel no sense of comradeship towards the North Koreans and simply view them as a liability. Xi Jinping probably only offers support to please the old, powerful members in the Communist Party who will die off quite soon.

I would not worry too much about North Korea's nuclear threat. Missile defense shields should take out incoming missiles- the only potential problem is a fallout when a NATO force (most likely the US) retaliates, if China or Russia tries to get in their way.
 

Fast Eddie

Pelican
Gold Member
britchard said:
China is as communist as Katy Perry is Christian. I suspect the new generation feel no sense of comradeship towards the North Koreans and simply view them as a liability. Xi Jinping probably only offers support to please the old, powerful members in the Communist Party who will die off quite soon.

I would not worry too much about North Korea's nuclear threat. Missile defense shields should take out incoming missiles- the only potential problem is a fallout when a NATO force (most likely the US) retaliates, if China or Russia tries to get in their way.

You are entirely missing the point. There isn't and never was any feeling of "communist solidarity" between China and N. Korea. China's support of NK has always been entirely due to wanting a buffer zone between itself and US controlled territory (S. Korea).

If China was worried about the US 50 years ago, those feelings much be an order of magnitude increased today. China has seen the US become increasingly unhinged, overthrowing sovereign regimes left and right, invading countries and sponsoring "color revolutions."

The Chinese government understands that the biggest, shiniest prize still dangling in front of the eyes of US (((elites))) is....ruling China. Oh, how dearly they would love to rule China! Not only would they love to rule China, they are thinking that in the long run, they will have to rule China because in the next several decades the West will collapse under the weight of its own "diversity."

The Chinese are not going to simply let the USA plant boots on the North Korean-Chinese border.
 

Lunostrelki

Woodpecker
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...ar-facilities-if-it-crosses-beijings-bottom-l

Per the Global Times, which is very much state-controlled:

“China has a bottom line that it will protect at all costs, that is, the security and stability of northeast China... If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own."

[North Korea] has limited resources of nuclear materials and is strictly blockaded in the outside world, erasing the possibility for DPRK to get the materials again. ... Nuclear weapons is DPRK's trump card for its defiance of China and the United States. Once this card is lost, it will become obedient immediately."

The article was deleted pretty quickly, but the fact that it could be published at all is significant.

Also, I like how Chinese journalists can say things like "it will become obedient immediately." The SJWs would never allow that kind of language here.
 

rockoman

Woodpecker
Lunostrelki said:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...ar-facilities-if-it-crosses-beijings-bottom-l

Per the Global Times, which is very much state-controlled:

“China has a bottom line that it will protect at all costs, that is, the security and stability of northeast China... If the bottom line is touched, China will employ all means available including the military means to strike back. By that time, it is not an issue of discussion whether China acquiesces in the US’ blows, but the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) will launch attacks to DPRK nuclear facilities on its own."

[North Korea] has limited resources of nuclear materials and is strictly blockaded in the outside world, erasing the possibility for DPRK to get the materials again. ... Nuclear weapons is DPRK's trump card for its defiance of China and the United States. Once this card is lost, it will become obedient immediately."

The article was deleted pretty quickly, but the fact that it could be published at all is significant.

Also, I like how Chinese journalists can say things like "it will become obedient immediately." The SJWs would never allow that kind of language here.

Don't believe this nonsense. It is a Langley production - all part of psychological warfare.
 

Paracelsus

Crow
Gold Member
^^^

Notice that same article confirms my suspicions: Obama and the Clintons didn't want Korea reunified, because they didn't want South Korea dominating the north, out of Ill Hill's own mouth in the Goldman Sachs speeches.

But again globalist tentacles reaching into this arena. The same article goes on to add:

The move to take stronger action against North Korea comes in the immediate aftermath of a political scandal that has rocked South Korea and disrupted the influence of state and private foreign actors in the country. On March 31st, 2017, Disobedient Media reported on the arrest of South Korean President Park Geun-hye, which also led to the indictment of Samsung Group leader Lee Jae-yong after it emerged that he had paid 43 billion Korean won ($36.6 million) to entities connected to President Park. The Samsung Group maintained business relations with the Clinton Foundation, an obvious supporter of policies opposing Korean reunification which were outlined in Clinton's Goldman Sachs speeches. The Samsung Group also had financial ties to the Rothschild family, who have been revealed in Wikileaks releases to have been staunch supporters of Clinton during her 2016 political run for President.

President Park's arrest and the disruption of Western-friendly business entities in South Korea tied to parties who oppose reunification creates a unique window for the United States and China to reverse previous policies which kept the peninsula divided. With China reining in factions who have traditionally supported the North Korean government, the opportunity to create a unified Korea has never been closer to realization. So long as both parties are able to manage the transition in a way that benefits both China and the United States politically and economically, the North Korean crisis could result in a successful exercise of bipartisan cooperation that would avoid military conflict and lay the ground for further cooperation on broader trade issues that the two countries are continuing to negotiate.
 

oilbreh

Woodpecker
If things are really as bad as people say in Korea I dont see the point in even fighting. For the cost of 50 million you could probably load up 50 million cheeseburgers and air drop em with some liberation pamphlet. Probably can roll in there afterwards without a bullet fired then go pick up Kim. Im sure the MIC is dying to get its pistons firing though, so we'll probably go about it in the most unproductive way possible.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
I'm all for killing that fat fuck manlet dictator but spreading even rumours around when someone like him and his maniac regime is still in charge of thousands of weapons pointed at some very vulnerable citizens isn't the best way to go about things.

Of all the types of people to spite the world, he is the type to do so.
 
Since some people had been curious what the Japanese are saying, here's something I pulled off one of the big JP "news" sites. (It's news with kind of goofy commentary, very wildly read. Think 4chan?)

[OH SHIT] "America to Launch Preemptive Strike on Korea Upon Evidence of Nuclear Tests".

"Are they doing it? Are they finally really doing it?"



"Some places are denying it, by either way, holy shit! Is it finally starting? Is it finally starting?"




Some representative comments:

"I want to see a war during my lifetime."
"Can't wait for war!"
"An experiment isn't enough to justify it. Russia and China will bitch."
"I don't know about attacking someone over a nuclear experiment."
^-(Response to above.) "They've made it obvious they intend to use the bomb on America, of course they're gonna attack."

"If there's war, are there gonna be tanks running through the streets where there's US bases? Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"


"Fuckin' do it."

"What's the answer to this from the cockroach Koreans who live in Japan?" (JPs do not like Koreans...)

"The whitehouse is denying this..."

"Gotta keep out refugees."

"They said this was fake news."

"Trump did drop that MOAB..."

"Everyone knows nothing's gonna happen anyway."

"Stop talking about this shit and let's play the nintendo switch"

”This is definitely war, right?
Kim who 100% Won't Do What Anybody Tells Him vs. Trump Who 100% Does What He Says He Will
100% War"


"I'm glad it's Trump. Trump will get pissed off and use his nuclear carriers."

"Do it!
I love how strong Trump is. It's great to watch!
I liked Obama, but he was always a good guy, and nothing more. It was kind of frustrating because he was a wimp who couldn't make a decision.
But Trump knows exactly what he's doing, which is nice."


Hope this is clarifying!
 
SamuelBRoberts said:
Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.

"After the destruction of the POWs, the soldiers turned their attention to the women of Nanking and an outright animalistic hunt ensued. Old women over the age of 70 as well as little girls under the age of 8 were dragged off to be sexually abused. More than 20,000 females (with some estimates as high as 80,000) were gang-raped by Japanese soldiers, then stabbed to death with bayonets or shot so they could never bear witness.

Pregnant women were not spared. In several instances, they were raped, then had their bellies slit open and the fetuses torn out. Sometimes, after storming into a house and encountering a whole family, the Japanese forced Chinese men to rape their own daughters, sons to rape their mothers, and brothers their sisters, while the rest of the family was made to watch."
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
BrewDog said:
SamuelBRoberts said:
Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.
...

Read that comment again and picture a sweet, young Jap girl* at her computer in long socks, panties and a tank top, her ankles crossed, her thighs rhythmically pressing against each other as she gets a little breathless.

"Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

:laugh:
 
Leonard D Neubache said:
BrewDog said:
SamuelBRoberts said:
Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

It's a bit rich to hear any Jap mention rape.
...

Read that comment again and picture a sweet, young Jap girl at her computer in long socks, panties and a tank top, her ankles crossed, her thighs rhythmically pressing against each other as she gets a little breathless.

"Are US soldiers gonna rape people again?"

:laugh:

I sort of feel as if the police are gonna come break down my door tonight for having seen this.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
"Do it!
I love how strong Trump is. It's great to watch!
I liked Obama, but he was always a good guy, and nothing more. It was kind of frustrating because he was a wimp who couldn't make a decision.
But Trump knows exactly what he's doing, which is nice."

Coming from someone in Japan, nice guy game doesn't pay off.
 

Parzival

Ostrich
Trump is good for Kim. Without the attention the get from Trump now or of the world with his rocket tests. Nobody would care about them. They really fully on China and China sees North Korea as a trouble in some way but also a tool to keep of South Korea and a puffer zone to the USA. Till with the economical change in Asia, North Korea is not good for the business but still not to bad to keep them off. So Kim now get what he want, more attention and maybe something of for him as well.

A united Korea will have to deal with a lot of issues. Far worse then Germany had. Hopefully they don't do the same mistakes as Germany did. We did exchange the money on a to high level, then western Germany company sold off everything in eastern Germany. Its more then 25 years ago and you still have some differences. Imagine how it will be in Korea where the standards of living and the cultures have a bigger gap then West and East Germany. North Korea is bad for its people but I see no way to change that situation soon. Best is to ignore it.
 

Bushido

Ostrich
Gold Member
SamuelBRoberts said:
Since some people had been curious what the Japanese are saying, here's something I pulled off one of the big JP "news" sites. (It's news with kind of goofy commentary, very wildly read. Think 4chan?)

[OH SHIT] "America to Launch Preemptive Strike on Korea Upon Evidence of Nuclear Tests".

Most Japanese would love to see that fat dwarf get taken out. Might have to do with never-ending threats as well as Japanese citizens being kidnapped and disappeared by his father's regime. Not to mention the "test" missiles that sometimes fly over Japanese land.

Was talking to a Japanese girl today who said as much. "Why don't they just blow them up already?"
 

Bushido

Ostrich
Gold Member
Parzival said:
Trump is good for Kim. Without the attention the get from Trump now or of the world with his rocket tests. Nobody would care about them.

I like your posts Parzival, but you have a very Eurocentric viewpoint. Actually their neighbours do care about them. Quite a bit in fact. It's easy for westerners to ignore North Korea but Asians don't have that luxury. I was in Tokyo when some of the Nork missiles flew towards the city. People tend to care about this kind of thing.

Parzival said:
A united Korea will have to deal with a lot of issues. Far worse then Germany had. Hopefully they don't do the same mistakes as Germany did. We did exchange the money on a to high level, then western Germany company sold off everything in eastern Germany. Its more then 25 years ago and you still have some differences.

Quite different situations in my opinion.

1. South Korea isn't nearly as socialist as West Germany was.
2. I'm sure the Koreans have studied what happened in Germany to learn from it (the currency disaster etc.).
3. Koreans are also extremely hard working (like the Japanese) and you can bet there won't be any welfare for unemployed North Koreans.
4. If anything, peaceful reunification could provide the South with a competitive advantage. Dirt cheap and obedient labour that speaks the same language and shares the same culture.

Parzival said:
Imagine how it will be in Korea where the standards of living and the cultures have a bigger gap then West and East Germany. North Korea is bad for its people but I see no way to change that situation soon. Best is to ignore it.

This defeatist attitude is the reason why the North Korea problem just gets worse and worse. Ignoring them has not helped at all. It has emboldened them. Obama was useless. There is always something that can be done. Trump is doing the right thing by working with China. Let's see if they can weaken the regime at the least.
 
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