North Korea Conflict Thread

TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
Mercenary said:
RVF users sherman, sterling_archer, and Mercenary (me) took a lot of heat and insults in this thread over the past year for our theories and opinions on what is really going on in North Korea. Our gut instinct told us never to believe anything the maninstream media said about North Korea.

However it looks like the 3 of us might be right about Kim and North Korea all along.
Jay Dyer might have been right all along too. He wrote about this this way back on April 18, 2017.
My next post will explain.

You lost me. What exactly were you three right about?
 

Mercenary

Hummingbird
TravelerKai said:
Mercenary said:
RVF users sherman, sterling_archer, and Mercenary (me) took a lot of heat and insults in this thread over the past year for our theories and opinions on what is really going on in North Korea. Our gut instinct told us never to believe anything the maninstream media said about North Korea.

However it looks like the 3 of us might be right about Kim and North Korea all along.
Jay Dyer might have been right all along too. He wrote about this this way back on April 18, 2017.
My next post will explain.

You lost me. What exactly were you three right about?


We were the only 3 RVF users that put into doubt what was really going on in North Korea. We knew that Kim was not a bad person, and that what we were being told about North Korea by the mainstream media was all lies.


Here's what I wrote in the "Q" thread, but belongs here as well.


This is not my theory but it's similiar to what I've always suspected.
The explanation was provided by Qanon (White House insider close to Trump) on 4chan and 8chan in various different posts there. On their own they don't make much sense, but read them all at once you understand a clear picture. I haven't posted all of them, but I did read them all on public websites.

Basically Qanon is saying this:

NK was always a hostage state.
It's not really run by Kim and his family...they have always been puppets.
Real power has been in hands of foreign alphabet soup agencies & local bribed generals for a long time.
Alphabet soup is rogue...not controlled by official western governments.
Rocket man's company is private (no government rules, oversight & auditing) and helps make the rockets which ARE real, and are then used to blackmail other countries and start wars.

Trump got rid of the puppet masters and rogue alphabet soup and freed Kim back in 2017 and early 2018.
That's why Kim was able to travel to Singapore and take selfies and greet fans around like a rockstar...he was finally a free man.

Guess what would have happened if the wicked witch won the election in November 2016 ?
We came this close to world war III.

Nobody is gonna believe this...but official confirmation & proof should emerge soon.
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
I don't remember that I took heat about my opinion here, but it is pretty much "unpopular" opinion, even in real life. My father and people around me at least looked at me in a weird way (or aggressively questioned me) when I expressed doubts about official story about NK. It is like there is a Kim Jong Un Derangement Sindrome, same like there is one for Trump.
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
Mercenary, I like what you are saying about North Korea, the puppet state theory is far more plausible than the mainstream media claim that the government and people of North Korea are willing to be genocided to kill just thousands of foreigners and Southerners. North Korea is a shithole by modern NEAsian standards but people still go to school, work, marry and build a future, there is a personality cult around Kim Ilsung, but it doesn't make them any less unfeeling than those who worship Yaweh or Allah. I believe China has stronger influence than US/SK intelligence, but that's not to say the generals don't work for all of them.

It's insane to think SpaceX could be an international threat. Half a dozen black op soldiers could probably take it down and make it seem like an accident. The only kind of blackmail material it could remotely give Musk is if his satellites or ex-NASA scientists found undeniable evidence space was far more militarised than people expected.
 

...

Crow
Gold Member
Who is Q? Why can't you say who exactly Rocket Man is and instead of vague insinuations?

Can we please stop autistic and schizo?
 

MidJack

Woodpecker
Cattle Rustler said:
Who is Q? Why can't you say who exactly Rocket Man is and instead of vague insinuations?

Can we please stop autistic and schizo?

I am curious to know what the implication is.

What was the mechanism by which SpaceX supposedly exported their technology to North Korea?

North Korea doesn't have the industrial base to manufacture SpaceX's rocket technology. So, did SpaceX shadow-manufacture some rockets and smuggle those very large and very export-controlled rockets out of the U.S. and into Asia?

I actually believe some conspiracy theories are real, but this is not one. Elon Musk's publisher decided to title the book Rocket Man. So what? He wants to go to Mars.

It doesn't even make sense in terms of political alignments.

Musk = SpaceX = DoD
Bezos = Blue Origin = CIA
 

Gmac

Peacock
Gold Member
Q is fucking nonsense, conditions in Noko are horrible for most people, and Kim is still a dictator, "puppet" or otherwise. Sorry Merc.
 

polar

Pelican
Gold Member
MOVSM said:
Here is a four-part series of a travel to NK by a Russian graphics designer. His company works independently now, and his goal is to visit every place on earth. Use google translate to translate the text if you want. Pictures are more interesting. Pay attention to small details in each--a lot of stuff is hidden because open photography of many things is forbidden. Essentially, NK is USSR carried to the point of absurdity.

http://www.tema.ru/travel/north-korea-1/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/north-korea-2/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/north-korea-3/
http://www.tema.ru/travel/north-korea-4/


A bump for this excellent photo series.
 

Castelnau

Woodpecker
Ok I quickly scanned through the 43 pages in this thread. I think there's a lot of good arguments.

What I'd like to highlight is how important reunification is for the Koreans both North and South. Its almost takes on religious hues for Koreans on both sides that reunification happen. I believe it is the main driver for the conflict, not US hostility but a desire by both for reunification on their terms (SK and NK governments) that is the friction fueling this conflict. To North Korea it is both a ideological as well as a geopolitical necessity (ridding the US forces in SK territory + stop having SK being a rival and a existential threat to them).

In 1991 when the Soviet Union was felling apart that had a very strong impact in Inter-Korean politics. The NK government was terrified that they were going to end up like all the Eastern European communist governments that were toppling like dominoes, the South Korean government was gleeful bc they thought North Korea was going to be relegated to the dustbin of history. They could've used this moment for a detente maybe even discussions for a soft reunification (a confederacy) but they didn't because many higher-ups in the SK government didn't see the point bc they thought North Korea was DONE. Then a horrible famine came. Before the 1990's North Korea didn't have famines because of the plentiful Soviet and Chinese aid. The stereotype of the starving North Korean is from the famine of the 1990's. This was the closest North Korean government has come to a implosion but they survived, they were resilient.

North and South Korea haven't just been in military conflict for 65 years but a war of legitimacy. There is no "North" or "South" Korea in both their eyes each think of themselves the real Korea just like Taiwan and China each claimed to be the real government and state of "China". Prior to the 80's and especially the 1988 Olympics it was pretty evenly divided on which Korea was the real Korea. NK had their communist and many western leftist allies and SK had their western allies. What happened was South Korea was able to shake off its poverty and become a economic (and later cultural) powerhouse as well as stage a very successful transition from a dictatorship to a democracy while the North Korean economy stalled in the 70's then dropped into the abyss in the 90's after the USSR fell. The aftermath of the USSR falling and the 1988 Seoul Olympics was the current view of South Korea being the more legitimate Korea while North Korea became a pariah/freak show country.

I think Reunification is a poisoned chalice. As tragic as it sounds for many Koreans the window for reunification was lost in the aftermath of the fall of the USSR and the subsequent NK famine. Even in a best case scenario where the threat of war evaporates and both governments stop being hostile to each other and the great powers accept this reunification is a fools errand. At this point we need to treat North Korea like a primitive amazon tribe that has been discovered. Slow sips of modernity and aid but nothing too severe and let them maintain their homogeny. Not Korean homgeny but North Korean homogeny because North Koreans have evolved into their own separate distinct race. Not genetically but culturally.

South Korea is one of the most superficial, judgemental and looks obsessed country in the world. How are they going to deal with millions of extremely short (maybe under 5feet tall), malnourished men who don't have basic knowledge about the modern world? North Koreans will be relegated to a despised underclass that live amongst each other in ghettos and predatory korean capitalism will destroy their cities and towns and countryside while degenerate western culture demolishes their way of life and values. North Korean men will be unable to date because all the North Korean will flock to South Korean men (for material reasons understandably) and South Korean men will be all too happy to accept them (because of spoiled entitled South Korean women). I initially thought NK women would marry white/foreign men in a hypothetical reunification but I think the anti-foreigner/racemixing propoganda has been so ingrained in them by NK government that I think this is not a possibility for at least one generation.

If you look at Qing China or the Aztecs or a science fiction novel or movie (like Contact) you can imagine how destructive it is to a society to have a image of itself (Ancient China saw themselves as the only real civilization in the world with everyone else being basically zombie hordes) be completley destroyed. In a hypothetical "liberation" of North Korea they will realize that the whole world sees them as freaks, as pitiable dwarfs and their supposed brothers and sisters in the South want nothing to do with them and are in fact disgusted with them. (the complete opposite of NK propaganda). This is like the biblical Adam and Eve eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and realizing they are naked for the first time. This will have catastrophic consequences.

So reunification should be avoided even if that's counter-intuitive to many Koreans. At worst its leading the Koreas into war (the desire to kill ones doppelganger and finally be the "real" Korea) and at best its going to lead to some half-assed confederation where North Korea and South Korea each keep their independence nominally as nation-states but borders are opened up and NK migrants + SK predatory corportations and degenerate western culture flood in opposite directions.

Obviously there are other possibilities like a wholesale absorption of North Korea by China which might be the worst of both worlds (the destruction of their way of life, loss of independence and the dream of reunification dashed). But I really believe that the goal of Korean Reunification is a poisoned chalice (not unlike in Indian Jones 3 where the temptation of the Holy Grail led Donovan and Elsa to her death and almost Indiana Jones).

North Korea should be preserved like a primitive Amazon villiage and be given aid and slow sips of modernity and reintegrated into the world community as a independent country. The ship for reunification has long sailed. Both Koreas should respect each other as separate and proud nation-states. North Korea should respect South Korea for rising from the ashes to become a economic powerhouse and with a democracy that while not perfect allowed for the Korean people in the South to adapt to modernity. South Korea should respect North Korea for rising from the ashes to build a functioning society that was hit by the fall of the Soviet Union and a horrific devastating famine and survived. North Korea showed their resilience and endured and lived on to show their dogged determination long enough to stand up to hegemonic great power America. It isn't about ignoring the crimes of the Kim family but the fact that they aren't going anywhere anytime soon so like so many times in human history we have to make the best out of a imperfect situation.

I think whatever happens I think the North Korean people deserve some kind of peaceful evolution and change where they can have some breathing space materially and spiritually as well as dignity and hope for a better future for themselves and their kids.
 

redbeard

Hummingbird
Moderator
Entrepreneurs - what do you do for good posture? I've been spending a lot of time typing lately, and my neck is killing me. I've got to be sitting improperly or something, because this rarely happened before.
 

Transsimian

Ostrich
Gold Member
redbeard said:
Entrepreneurs - what do you do for good posture? I've been spending a lot of time typing lately, and my neck is killing me. I've got to be sitting improperly or something, because this rarely happened before.

You've come to the right thread.

A traditional firm Asian futon may take some getting used to in the beginning, but it it promotes stable sleeping and thus is good for your back and posture.

You might dismiss Tai chi as an old person thing, but it's a great way of increasing flexibilty and strengthening the support muscles you need for good posture.
 

Castelnau

Woodpecker
Its not true.

First CNN. And how many times this past years have we learned how fake news with anonymous US officials as sources is totally worthless? US intelligence doesn't have any good sources in North Korea. I mean I don't think SOUTH KOREA has any good sources in the inner NK government much less the United States.

Also when NBC confirms and adds to the scoop that just means they're talking to the same US official. It doesn't mean they have their own separate source that separately confirmed it.
 
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