NYC is Dead Forever

Johnny Rico

Woodpecker
Yeah, and the punishment for adultery is stoning. If you're reading Romans 13 properly, then Christ was wrong, and should have let the woman who committed adultery be stoned.

“If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the man and the woman who have committed adultery must be put to death." Leviticus 20:10.

Leviticus is from the Old Testament. My (basic) understanding is that the Old Testament was written by Hebrews and the New Testament by Christians. Perhaps someone can better explain it to me but my take is that moral code is only to be taken from the New. It seems the Old set the foundation for Christ to guide humans away from the evil that was plaguing the world before him.
 
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infowarrior1

Hummingbird
That's because you're absolutely right, circumstances matter. The law is not made to exact punishment on man, the law was made for man to guide him. You can't just categorize all murders into simple easy categories. Life doesn't fit into simple easy categories.



Yeah, and the punishment for adultery is stoning. If you're reading Romans 13 properly, then Christ was wrong, and should have let the woman who committed adultery be stoned.

Genesis 9:6 is the command that applies to all people in all ages that Murder must merit the Death Penalty. It's not merely just Moses Law. No exemptions there. As I said before.

What the Mosaic Law does is that it provides a proper distinction between Murder and not Murder. But unlike the Command given to Noah doesn't need to be applied under the New Covenant.
 
Just keep them out of WV and Giuliani was elected in 94 and kept that city clean until Bloomberg the would be dictator took over and undid everything Rudy had accomplished then twelve years later DeBlasio drove in the final nails into the coffin.
 

jordypip23

Ostrich
Gold Member
If you watch this daytime video of this Euro dude walking around Manhattan, the city seems to be ok & have some hope, but it could be fleeting:

 

animum-rege

Sparrow
It’s not like the nation’s largest, wealthiest, densest city will collapse and empty out overnight.

Check in a year from now, after the city coffers are truly drained and the tax base is nowhere to be seen. And after a full year of lease non-renewals and firesales.
 

Easy_C

Crow
To a point, I am enjoying the decline with charging more for the same work, and no shortage of work(for now..) but there is literally nothing to spend it on: all gyms, theaters, concert halls, sports stadiums are all closed indefinitely, though I did get a an email from Equinox saying they got the go ahead to re open their gyms.

Funny how that works where the first gym allowed to re open is the one that the wealthy business types use.
 

Aboulia

Robin
Genesis 9:6 is the command that applies to all people in all ages that Murder must merit the Death Penalty. It's not merely just Moses Law. No exemptions there. As I said before.

What the Mosaic Law does is that it provides a proper distinction between Murder and not Murder. But unlike the Command given to Noah doesn't need to be applied under the New Covenant.

Nope, it never had to be applied, for if it must have been applied under Mosaic Law, then God is schizophrenic for he didn't kill David after he murdered Uriah the Hittite to steal his wife.

@Johnny Rico Laws apply to all people, the bible is universal morality revealed in steps. A "law" not being a dictate of man, the coronavirus laws are not laws in this sense. A law in this sense is what it is indefensible to oppose, it's written in the heart of what it means to be human. The "law" in the Old Testament, gives the basic patterns of life, and must be followed (not exactly to the letter, but to a degree) in order to have any society at all, but you cannot have a society with only law, for law pushes away, The counterpart to "law" is mercy, mercy brings together, but mercy only brings together, mercy by itself will lead to being completely used/absorbed by whatever entity you show mercy to, and will destroy you, the "beta male" being a well known example. Any relationship, is a balancing of law, and mercy, every relationship and all life is this very pattern, on every level of society, and it cannot be otherwise. At the individual level, our body has laws as to what we can, and cannot integrate into our being, everything which we can commonly integrate is called "food", and that which we cannot is called "poison", it doesn't mean everything that is labelled "food" we can eat, for allergies exist, and everything labelled "poison" such as alcohol will not kill us in small amounts. The body itself, to remain intact, must be able to integrate lower forms of life to keep itself separate from the outside world, as a coherent being, if it doesn't it falls apart. That is what death is. Your body is literally unable to keep those lower forces from the outside from overcoming the body and decaying the flesh. At the other end, too much integration, too much eating will make you fat, and make you unable to function. Life lays in the balance of the two, and since humanity is too dull to understand it, God came down to earth, and expressed it in the person of Jesus Christ. He rejected (applied law) to those rejecting truth, and seeking to twist the "law" for their own selfish ends (The Pharisees/Jews) and forgave (applied mercy) those who turn from their evil ways and repent, such as the adulterous woman, the thief on the cross, and the apostles who fled from Christ when he was persecuted. You cannot understand and properly apply the New Testament, without understanding the Old, and even if you understand the Old, it doesn't mean you'll apply it, for the battle is in the human mind and heart.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Nope, it never had to be applied, for if it must have been applied under Mosaic Law, then God is schizophrenic for he didn't kill David after he murdered Uriah the Hittite to steal his wife.

@Johnny Rico Laws apply to all people, the bible is universal morality revealed in steps. A "law" not being a dictate of man, the coronavirus laws are not laws in this sense. A law in this sense is what it is indefensible to oppose, it's written in the heart of what it means to be human. The "law" in the Old Testament, gives the basic patterns of life, and must be followed (not exactly to the letter, but to a degree) in order to have any society at all, but you cannot have a society with only law, for law pushes away, The counterpart to "law" is mercy, mercy brings together, but mercy only brings together, mercy by itself will lead to being completely used/absorbed by whatever entity you show mercy to, and will destroy you, the "beta male" being a well known example. Any relationship, is a balancing of law, and mercy, every relationship and all life is this very pattern, on every level of society, and it cannot be otherwise. At the individual level, our body has laws as to what we can, and cannot integrate into our being, everything which we can commonly integrate is called "food", and that which we cannot is called "poison", it doesn't mean everything that is labelled "food" we can eat, for allergies exist, and everything labelled "poison" such as alcohol will not kill us in small amounts. The body itself, to remain intact, must be able to integrate lower forms of life to keep itself separate from the outside world, as a coherent being, if it doesn't it falls apart. That is what death is. Your body is literally unable to keep those lower forces from the outside from overcoming the body and decaying the flesh. At the other end, too much integration, too much eating will make you fat, and make you unable to function. Life lays in the balance of the two, and since humanity is too dull to understand it, God came down to earth, and expressed it in the person of Jesus Christ. He rejected (applied law) to those rejecting truth, and seeking to twist the "law" for their own selfish ends (The Pharisees/Jews) and forgave (applied mercy) those who turn from their evil ways and repent, such as the adulterous woman, the thief on the cross, and the apostles who fled from Christ when he was persecuted. You cannot understand and properly apply the New Testament, without understanding the Old, and even if you understand the Old, it doesn't mean you'll apply it, for the battle is in the human mind and heart.

Genesis 9:6 isn't the Mosaic Law. And Yes he didn't kill David. However I don't see how outside of Israel such a thing didn't apply.

How does the New Testament cancel the imperative of Genesis 9:6? Since its the Mosaic that represented the shadow that was to be superseded by the Sacrifice of Christ.

But it precedes and is outside the Mosaic Covenant. And said Covenant was only given to the Hebrews. But Genesis 9:6 is given to all.

The reason given is that Man is the Image of God. If therefore such a command is rooted in the very nature of Man in his creation then its far more compelling basis. Just as the very nature of the sexes necessitate a Patriarchal sexual constitution.

If Genesis 9:6 didn't exist. Then I would absolutely agree with your statement.

In the same way the role of Deborah doesn't cancel out the Divine Commandment of the Eldership/Pastorate being the sole province of Men because of the argument that Paul uses under inspiration of the Holy Spirit (1 Timothy 2:12-14) rooting it in the very creation itself. Including the Right of the 1stborn in regards to the Male sex and sex that was deceived in the Garden.

God not only affirmed the right of the state to kill the accused for crimes worthy of Death(Romans 13). But Saint Paul under inspiration of the Holy Spirit said(Acts 25:11) that he is not afraid to die if he committed said crime.

I know that the Mosaic Penalties no longer applied but the verse I cited isn't Mosaic is it?

The 2nd argument is that dead murderers won't be murdering ever again. While he/she can be released escape from prison to do it a 2nd time or finish the murder he/she failed to accomplish. Or murder other inmates/guards.
 
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Elipe

Woodpecker
“If a man commits adultery with his neighbor’s wife, both the man and the woman who have committed adultery must be put to death." Leviticus 20:10.

Leviticus is from the Old Testament. My (basic) understanding is that the Old Testament was written by Hebrews and the New Testament by Christians. Perhaps someone can better explain it to me but my take is that moral code is only to be taken from the New. It seems the Old set the foundation for Christ to guide humans away from the evil that was plaguing the world before him.
Romans 7:7
What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”

The Law reveals sin. This is why the Old Testament still provides an useful foundation for any serious study of morality. In this case, the OT reveals that it is adultery that is immoral, and indeed shows that the wage of adultery is death. Even if there was not a formal punishment for adultery, adultery is still behavior that leads you down the road to an early death (getting beaten by the husband that discovers the adultery, for example). The NT, however, teaches that God prefers repentance and mercy to putting us to death for our sins. This does not mean that there should not be an institutional punishment for adultery, because actions still bear out consequences and a justice system is essential to attach more temporal weight to immoral actions in order to sway more people away from performing them. It's not a permanent, eternal solution, but it sure makes our difficult lives on earth a little bit better when we know our neighbors will be held accountable for what they do.

Jesus was not advocating for the abolition of the penalty for adultery, He was making a point that nobody is perfectly innocent before the Law.
 

JiggyLordJr

Kingfisher
It’s not like the nation’s largest, wealthiest, densest city will collapse and empty out overnight.

Check in a year from now, after the city coffers are truly drained and the tax base is nowhere to be seen. And after a full year of lease non-renewals and firesales.

This. On the ground it’s bad in certain areas, but wealthy yuppie areas like Upper East will hold out the longest. Quality of life is plummeting across the board though, not even the rich have places to spend their money anymore- everything is still closed. The few restaurants that opened are on their last legs. Moving trucks abound Manhattan.
 

JiggyLordJr

Kingfisher
Mask compliance is also near 100%. NYC apparently launched the biggest mask campaign ever about a month ago, check it out:

Governor Cuomo Launches National "Mask Up America" Campaign Amid Ongoing COVID-19 Pandemic

With the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic spreading fast in many states across the country, Governor Andrew M. Cuomo today launched the national "Mask Up America" education and awareness campaign to urge all Americans to wear a mask while in public to help stop the spread of the virus. Jane Rosenthal, producer and CEO Tribeca Enterprises, produced the series of spots with Academy Award-winning director Kathryn Bigelow. Robert De Niro, Kaitlyn Dever, Jamie Foxx, Morgan Freeman, John Leguizamo, Anthony Mackie, Rosie Perez, Ellen Pompeo and Jeffrey Wright used their voices and talent to promote the message and increase awareness. Creative agency TBWA\Chiat\Day New York assisted with the logo and branding development.

"New Yorkers suffered gravely when this pandemic hit our state and as we see other states battle the surge of COVID-19, we want to be sure all Americans know what we know here - that it is essential to wear a mask in order to protect one another," Governor Cuomo said. "We can only beat this virus if we are united as one, not divided by ideology or politics. In that spirit we worked with the best and most creative team to deliver this vital message in multiple ways and in different voices - I wear a mask to protect you and you wear a mask to protect me. It is simple as that. Mask Up America."

The campaign includes a series of eight TV public service announcements, the first two of which are available today. All of the PSAs will be available in partnership with the (((Ad Council))) for use by broadcast and digital media outlets. The PSAs will air in donated media time and space throughout the country.

Lisa Sherman, President & CEO of the (((Ad Council))), said, "With cases of the virus continuing to rise across the country, we are proud to partner with Governor Cuomo's office on this critical message and inspire all Americans to wear face coverings."
 

Hypno

Crow
Here's a bit of an out-of-the-box take on this: with the stimulus checks and unemployment checks we basically instituted "basic universal income", but we kept the "war on drugs" in place which kept drugs expensive.

I keep wondering, what if any drug you wanted was available in any quantity you wanted at walmart prices. I wonder if most of the degenerates currently out on the street would take the money, use it to dope themselves into a pleasant oblivion, and stay off the streets.

See, drugs are currently a problem for society for two reasons. The first is that make you forego more productive activities. Picture the pot-head sitting on his couch watching Captain Kangaroo for 12 hours. But here's the thing - that problem is identical to the problem with porn. And we on the right are already facing down that problem. We're already changing our subculture to address porn. We're already starting to value discipline and self control above hedonism.

In other words, ending drug prohibition wouldn't affect us much, since we're already developing ways to avoid porn.

The other problem with drugs is the crime. But that's actually not a problem "with drugs" it's a problem with prohibition, because prohibition makes drugs too expensive for a loser to be able to afford. I think that ending prohibition would end most drug-related crime.

So the tl;dr here is, if we're going to spend trillions giving people basic universal income, I think we should also give them legal drugs. I suspect they would choose that over rioting, and I don't think legal drugs would harm people in our community very much.

There is a third problem with drugs - externalities such as someone who is drunk or high driving a car or train and killing a bunch of non-drug users.
 

Aboulia

Robin
Genesis 9:6 isn't the Mosaic Law. And Yes he didn't kill David. However I don't see how outside of Israel such a thing didn't apply.

How does the New Testament cancel the imperative of Genesis 9:6? Since its the Mosaic that represented the shadow that was to be superseded by the Sacrifice of Christ.

But it precedes and is outside the Mosaic Covenant. And said Covenant was only given to the Hebrews. But Genesis 9:6 is given to all.

The reason given is that Man is the Image of God. If therefore such a command is rooted in the very nature of Man in his creation then its far more compelling basis. Just as the very nature of the sexes necessitate a Patriarchal sexual constitution.

If Genesis 9:6 didn't exist. Then I would absolutely agree with your statement.

In the same way the role of Deborah doesn't cancel out the Divine Commandment of the Eldership/Pastorate being the sole province of Men because of the argument that Paul uses under inspiration of the Holy Spirit (1 Timothy 2:12-14) rooting it in the very creation itself. Including the Right of the 1stborn in regards to the Male sex and sex that was deceived in the Garden.

God not only affirmed the right of the state to kill the accused for crimes worthy of Death(Romans 13). But Saint Paul under inspiration of the Holy Spirit said(Acts 25:11) that he is not afraid to die if he committed said crime.

Strike the word "Mosaic" from my previous post and my point stands. What made David exempt from death? Why? Is there two rules for humanity, one for Israel, and one for everyone else?

Genesis 9:6 is not an imperative, it's a warning.

St Paul saying that he is unafraid to die, is not the same as saying that the state has authority over Death. Which it doesn't, that's God's dominion. Bureaucracy can and has killed people, but that doesn't mean it's the jurisdiction of bureaucracy to command to where Life and Death lie. Again, as I commented earlier, St. Paul is not speaking about the state in Romans 13. I was hoping you'd figure it out on your own.
Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but from God; the powers that be are ordained by God.
The soul /= soul + body united in a person
Higher power /= the state

If this meant that civil bureaucracy, or whoever seizes power is to be obeyed without question, you would have no Christian martyrs.

The 2nd argument is that dead murderers won't be murdering ever again. While he/she can be released escape from prison to do it a 2nd time or finish the murder he/she failed to accomplish. Or murder other inmates/guards.

Labeling people is a way to get out of the complex realities of life, the Pharisee justified himself against the Publican in this manner (Luke 18), however, remember that the wages of sin is death, and those that forgive little, will be forgiven little.
 

JiggyLordJr

Kingfisher
Cross posting from another thread:

NYC, USA - August 2020 - Ground Report

Background: Been back just under a year, living with family while I finish up university. NYC native, lived in Europe for a year to get my shit together.

Let’s start:

NYC has always suffered from being a low trust society, and things have only ramped up since the decade began:

When I returned to NY in January of 2020, things were business-as-usual, but there was definitely a palpable tension in the air, something akin to a rubber band about to snap. The degeneracy train kept on chugging, but the vibe of the city was definitely taking a nosedive. It felt like most folk were on the verge of going completely postal. Some notable trends at the time: Strangers at each other’s throats, people nervously avoiding eye contact, random fights in broad daylight, drugged out denigrates shouting to oblivion, damaged women compulsively flicking through their phones, price-raising yuppies pretending the city isn’t burning, and so on and so forth.

Bam! Then the lockdown happened. This basically flipped a switch in a lot of people, and the wealthy residents with sense/foresight immediately fled to their hideaways. The wealthy “ride-or-die” New Yorkers that chose to stay continue to dine outdoors at overpriced restaurants, chart casual detours around homeless encampments, and pretend the city isn’t burning around them. The poor-working-middle class people stayed, but only because they have to, not because they necessarily want to. It takes money to move, and most New Yorkers are poor. Alas, only the disgruntled, depressed, and delusioned remain.

Speaking of this, there seems to be a very deep sense of despair and resignation in the air, quite surprising for the city that quote “never sleeps” and houses “tough New Yorkers.” Well the city is very much “asleep” right now, and New Yorkers are very much not tough people. Seriously. Mask compliance is near 100%, and any boomer/yuppie/libtard subscribed the narrative will grill you, even confront you, if you’re not wearing a mask. The hostility that NYC is notorious for has only dialed up: no one trusts each other and everyone knows in the back of their mind that the city is going down the shitter.

The U.S. didn’t have many world class cities to boot, but NYC was certainly one of them. A lot of Americans (and otherwise) cite the city as their pride and joy, and back in the day you’d hear things like “I fell in love with this city” and “I could never live anywhere else” from deluded degenerates that made this wasteland their home. The influx of transplants and international money made the city unaffordable for the majority, causing a chasm between residents that has only fueled the existing class tension. Stockholm Syndrome is the only common ground that most New Yorkers share.

Not entirely sure whether to stick it out with my family here (ride-or-die) or move solo to a saner place. Could definitely use some advice on this, as the fam has made it clear that they’re not going anywhere.

So what’s left? (((Wall Street))), (((The Media))), and (((Jews))). Some of the highest income taxes and property taxes in the nation. And hints being dropped of a second wave (and therefore, a second lockdown) as “inevitable”. And lastly, a $9 Billion dollar budget deficit with no solution in sight.

In summary, it’s bad.

Further reading:
Can anyone see a silver lining?
 

Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
Cross posting from another thread:

Things relatively booming this summer in New Hampshire and Maine and a reasonable Train ride home to visit family... lots of tech and financial work spilling over from the Boston high tech zones and more than a few Euro tech companies have moved in to serve the NE markets - most of our Nashua NH main street restaurants and beer gardens opened with jersey barriers on two of the 4 main street lanes with traffic not speeding down main street a plus - Laconia Bike week moved to next week last week of summer usually as big or bigger than Sturgis but this year Covid rules (No biker beer gardens or Concessions selling leather etc crap from Pakistan or China) but no $10K NYC fines for violating 14-day Covid quarantine isolation. None of that Cuomo-DeBlowsio commie crap in the Live Free or Die State...
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Strike the word "Mosaic" from my previous post and my point stands. What made David exempt from death? Why? Is there two rules for humanity, one for Israel, and one for everyone else?

Genesis 9:6 is not an imperative, it's a warning.

St Paul saying that he is unafraid to die, is not the same as saying that the state has authority over Death. Which it doesn't, that's God's dominion. Bureaucracy can and has killed people, but that doesn't mean it's the jurisdiction of bureaucracy to command to where Life and Death lie. Again, as I commented earlier, St. Paul is not speaking about the state in Romans 13. I was hoping you'd figure it out on your own.

The soul /= soul + body united in a person
Higher power /= the state

If this meant that civil bureaucracy, or whoever seizes power is to be obeyed without question, you would have no Christian martyrs.



Labeling people is a way to get out of the complex realities of life, the Pharisee justified himself against the Publican in this manner (Luke 18), however, remember that the wages of sin is death, and those that forgive little, will be forgiven little.

Romans 13 proves that God gave the Civil Authorities power to kill and to act as his angel of vengeance.

Who is the terror of the wicked he is referring to.

Who bears the sword but the State with its military and police?

When Paul said this it was during the time of Nero.

Now as for your 2nd point. It's irrelevant. Will forgiveness stop murderers and other violent criminals? Is it the Job of the avenging angel appointed by God to forgive? Forgiveness is on the part of individuals and from God through Jesus Christ. The way for forgiveness is preaching the gospel to death row inmate but he must still die the death as his crime deserves.
 
Keep in mind that the elite, from time to time like to bust up everything because it particularly breaks the backs of middle class whites. *They* did this to NYC in the 1960s- and who emerged running the city? Not Italians, Irish or other working class whites. Who has controlled the city going forward?

Big developers, the super wealthy, big banks can all not only absorb this but at the same time buy up the assets of middle class and small business owners who can't.
In a place like New York tons of long term business lease holders that wealthy developers have wanted to kick out for years are closing up shop. Churches, long a target of developers for two reasons - one they hate Christianity, two the churches often sit on valuable land are closing their doors for good and that means some real estate developer can buy the land and build a skyscraper.

It also gives them an unprecedented chance to reorganize their liking. Yes NYC may look worse, but to the elite? They still have armed security and less than a minute elite police unit response. You really think they care?
 
There is a third problem with drugs - externalities such as someone who is drunk or high driving a car or train and killing a bunch of non-drug users.
That's true, but prohibition doesn't fix that. If anything, prohibition contributes to it because people need to drive to work in order to make money to buy their expensive drugs.

Prohibition does cause an increase in price, and that does cause crime.

So currently, right now in 2020, we are living with crime an also living with DUI drivers. Ending prohibition should decrease crime greatly, and have little effect (or maybe even a positive effect) on DUIs. And in the long term, technology solves the DUI issue completely.
 
Big corporations don't care. Look at how IT has been outsourced. They'll take the hit in quality if they can save 50-75% in operating costs. And and don't think 'the free market' :rolleyes: will allow you choices. There is no 'free market' - we have an oligarchy - that's why Gillette and other corporations can almost show contempt for American customers - they know you'll be back. Yes Gillette took a hit but I know 'right wing' conservatives who still use their products (in this extreme case, it's crazy because safety blades are easy to get used to 1/10th the cost of Gillette but I digress :) ). There are only four major banks - each one insults Americans and carry out anti-american policies worse than the other. Amazon is about the only game in town for a lot of things and Amazon /Bezos regularly insult Americans but Americans, including myself keep buying from them often because we have limited or alternatives- and even every red pilled guy stopped using them they'd still have dominate market share. They would lose at most, 5% of their customers. That's nothing, as Roosh pointed out when they started banning books.

My comment on Indians in IT.

Like you said, once things get into monopoly territory, normal rules of economics no longer apply. PERCEPTION in corporate Ameica is more important than actual accomplishments. I know this personally. I found out that being popular was more important than being effective. The corporate masters will lay off someone whose a "troublemaker" (who tells them off) and accept the consequences while at the same time tolerating a goldbricker they golf with.

After all, it's not THEIR money, is it?

In a growing economy, a monkey can throw darts at stock market listings and make money and a corporate executive can make his numbers just by showing up. But they need something MORE than that: The PERCEPTION they're doing more than just golfing and having power lunches.

Indians served an invaluable purpose in deflating the PER CAPITA cost of labor. My wife makes about as much in a QA job that I did 25 years ago! But yet, if you hire 3 people to get the same job done as 1 guy 20 years ago, how much have you saved? It's like when I bought a cheap Chinese engine part and it didn't work and it took me a week to get it repaired. All to "save" 40 bucks. But that's because I paid for that whole thing myself that I see the economics don't work.

If you're a corporate executive, you can get an office of 300 "cheap" workers in an office formerly (literally the same floor space) occupied by 100 Americans 20 years ago. It costs twice as much, but the PERCEPTION is three times as much is done. It's not. 1/2 as much is done. After all, after 20 years, with automation one could have laid off 1/2 of the American workers. But then the office would appear 1/2 full and then, why would you need so many managers and executives?

Indian labor, Agile and stacked-ranking is not cheap in the long run. Look at 737 Max. Here's an article on the whole mess that turned out to be:
https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdonnell-douglas-boeing-merger-led-to-the-737-max-crisis/

I'd say American workplaces are Soviet in nature in how amazingly dysfunctional, corrupt and insane they're operated.

Traditional-conservatism and free market economics is dead in so many ways, not in the least politically as it has destroyed the electorate that supported it in the first place.
 
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