Obama ending ‘wet-foot, dry-foot’ policy

[DannyAlberta]

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said that, effective immediately, Cuban migrants will now be treated “the same way we treat migrants from other countries.”

If so, I submit that any Cuban who wants to stay perpetually (and illegally) in the United States should no longer be trying to make it to Florida. Try to make it to Mexico, walk across the one of the gaping holes in the Southern border and become 1 of the ~11-30 million.

Trump has to build that wall for you guys and soon.

 

[JayMillz]

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said that, effective immediately, Cuban migrants will now be treated “the same way we treat migrants from other countries.”

So, they'll be given in state college tuition, sanctuary cities and other federal benefits like so many illegal immigrants along the Mexican border? Sounds about right.

The Cubans didn't need sanctuary cities because they were given automatic citizenship under the former policy. In addition, they qualified for welfare as a result and were abusing that system. If you watch the testimony by Rubio he talks about this.

I don't think Gov Rick Scott would grant them any type of state tuition or reduced costs. More importantly they will probably be repatriated like the Haitians now that they don't have special status.

 

[JayMillz]

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said that, effective immediately, Cuban migrants will now be treated “the same way we treat migrants from other countries.”

If so, I submit that any Cuban who wants to stay perpetually (and illegally) in the United States should no longer be trying to make it to Florida. Try to make it to Mexico, walk across the one of the gaping holes in the Southern border and become 1 of the ~11-30 million.

Trump has to build that wall for you guys and soon.

This is a legitimate concern. I'm waiting to see how this will proceed. The President of Mexico has already said he isn't paying for a wall so it should be interesting.

 

[Papaya]

Cuba will be great again but it will be the descendants of the Cubans who fled during and right after Castros takeover living in the US that will make it so. Unlike subsequent migrations (like the 1980 Mariel boatlift when Castro shit on the US and pissed in Jimmy Carter's face) that first wave (like my parents) were the highly educated, highly motivated, wealthy, elite land owners who were the most at risk during the political purges that ensued...and lost the most because of it.

My ancestors (both maternal and paternal) emigrated to Cuba from Spain in the 19th Century when it was pretty much to Spain like the American west was to the US. My mothers family owned a lot of land including an approximate 3 mi of beachfront on the northern shore in Pinar del Rio province. My grandfather exported sugar, beef, pork tobacco and even minerals from a mine he owned. I was born in Miami and grew up hearing all the stories. Castro destroyed what Cuba could have become for my parents' generation...but thats not been forgotten

But don't underestimate the old school Cubans (and descendants) who've been building wealth and power in FL, Spain, Puerto Rico, etc.... biding their time...

There's a number reasons FL went to Trump not the least of which is the very conservative old school Cuban power base there.

This policy change in my opinion is a good step. The current Cuban population is so indoctrinated in the only (fucked up) system they've ever known so they don't have the skill set necessary to "right the ship" when the time comes (and it will come). So good......America is on it's way to being great again,... then it will be Cuba's turn... But it wont be powered by Cubans staying put as much as it will be the when money, talent, and values start flowing back there. Cuba was great and will be again. It's just a matter of time

 

[JayMillz]

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said that, effective immediately, Cuban migrants will now be treated “the same way we treat migrants from other countries.”

If so, I submit that any Cuban who wants to stay perpetually (and illegally) in the United States should no longer be trying to make it to Florida. Try to make it to Mexico, walk across the one of the gaping holes in the Southern border and become 1 of the ~11-30 million.

Trump has to build that wall for you guys and soon.

I'm watching the news and Cubans in Costa Rica that were making their way to the USA were saying they are disappointed by the change so maybe it will be a deterrent. Under the old system they would have gotten Automatic Citizenship and welfare.

 

[Libertas]

This is indeed perplexing, but for once a welcome development. I wonder what his angle on this was? A way to punish the Cubans in Florida for voting Trump?

Let's see if it continues though. Trump owes a lot to the Cubans who helped him a lot in Florida, and he'll certainly need them again.

 

[Papaya]

^^^This actually makes sense as there aren't any muslims coming out of Cuba after all.

It will be interesting to see how Trump (who has strong business and personal ties in FL) deals with Cuba once he sets his eyes on it. Especially since that wily fuck Fidel is no longer around to befuddle US policy like he did the

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I have a feeling Raul's shitting his pants now

 

[Going strong]

Cuba was great and will be again. It's just a matter of time

Or alternatively, one might ask: is it just a matter of time before Cuba becomes Haiti?.. Look at the demographics. Doesn't bode well... Once the government releases its (much-needed, I would sadly reckon) grip, it's gonna turn Cuba into Haiti, within three months. That, or the island empties itself unto Florida beaches - within three weeks. Or a mix of the two.

That is why I predict a continued status-quo for Cuba. No-one has any interest in unleashing a Haitian scenario unto Cuba. Neither the (remaining) Hispanic Cubans nor the US government.

 

[Latinopan]

Lets see what Obama just did with only few days left:

Remove an incentive for a particular group of illegal immigrants, said group also is heavily responsible for flipping the a key state during the election which Obama depended to ensure his beloved legacy survives and also looks like a last minute gift to a communists regime people on his party and the left seem to love so much.

Now the question is, has Obama removed any incentive for illegal immigration for any other group in the last 8 years? we know is the opposite, the level of privileges granted to others groups illegal entering the USA has only increased.

 

[godzilla]

I was shocked when I checked the news and saw Obama was doing this.

Make no mistake: this is a fantastic development for our side. Not all Cubans are created equal. The original, Republican leaning wave of Cubans are a bit analogous to white South Africans: a well off white minority in an otherwise "diverse" nation that was targeted by the ruling regime and dispossessed of its land and property. This is why they fled Cuba in the first place and why they hated the communist regime and all leftist political parties and movements.

The more recent waves of Cubans are far more "diverse" and are no different from any other third world economic migrants beating their way to American and European shores. They have no ideology and join the coalition of the fringes upon arrival along with all the other minorities. Again, they could be compared to black South African migrants arriving in America.

A truly terrifying spectre that raised its ugly head upon the death of Fidel Castro was the possibility that travel restrictions between Cuba and the USA would be lifted while the "wet food, dry foot" policy was kept in place. What this would have meant is that every Cuban who so desired would have been able to travel to the United States via aeroplane and claim legal residency and a direct pathway to citizenship upon setting foot on US soil, just like that.

This, of course, would have been an unmitigated disaster for our demographic balance on a national level, let alone concentrated in Florida, which is a state whose electoral votes we can ill afford to lose and expect to ever win the presidency again.

As to why Obama did the downright sane thing and ended the policy to reflect the easing of travel restrictions is a true mystery to me. It may well be the only beneficial action he took in his 8 years in office aside from the auto industry bailout.

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually. Most of the travel shows are in Havana (which has a large black pop.) so I could see how you would make that assumption.

The Cuban-American vote is really hard to tally. Most Cubans outside of South Florida have assimilated and mix with other whites, and mostly consider themselves white today. I suspect that Cubans vote Republican much higher then you think.

 

[Going strong]

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti :s here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

 

[Going strong]

Lets see what Obama just did with only few days left:

Remove an incentive for a particular group of illegal immigrants, said group also is heavily responsible for flipping the a key state during the election which Obama depended to ensure his beloved legacy survives and also looks like a last minute gift to a communists regime people on his party and the left seem to love so much.

I agree on your analysis, regarding Obama's heartfelt gift to a communist State much beloved (from a distance, mind you, or just for a 5-day, 5-star hotel holiday) by the "global Left".

As to very recent Cuban illegal migrants, having come by boat these last few years... I am pretty sure they mainly voted for Obama, being themselves mainly Black... I mean, White people able to leave Cuba, have left already, quite a long time ago. Or if they recently leave, they did it not by boat, but instead, by marriage or through the US-embassy policy regarding medical doctors from Cuba asking asylum... by the way, it is my understanding that Obama also cancelled this policy, which recommended US embassies to grant asylum to all Cuban MDs sent abroad. It was a real pain in the neck for Cuba, as its cherished MDs would defect at various Latin American embassies.

 

[Papaya]

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti :s here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

What are you basing your conjecture on?

How many Cubans do you know?

What/how do you actually know about the culture, community and values?

Haiti may as well be another planet. Not even apples to oranges.

Like I said above. Don't underestimate the wealth, power, influence and resolve of the Cuban exile community.

Once the last vestiges of the Castro regime are gone and the capital floodgates open (the corporate trickle has already started) Cuba is more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti

Haiti...Please

 

[Going strong]

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti :s here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

What are you basing your conjecture on?

How many Cubans do you know?

What/how do you actually know about the culture, community and values?

I know many Cubans indeed, men and women (most of them living in Cuba, some in Miami). I have traveled several times over there (all over Cuba except of course Havana, which I naturally dislike), spanning more than a decade. I had a Cuban fiancee, and never went to touristy hotels. I still have very good friends in the island...

Well, so: to sum it up, I know a lot about the Cuban culture, which used to be very unique, endearing often and interesting; and about their, er, values (which, sadly, nowadays are but the USD and consumerism - among the young I mean).

(By the way, in case it's verifiable through RVF logs, I even logged on the forum from several "exotic" Cuban IP addresses... Ah, and as luck has it, I also showed pics of me in provincial Cuba, with assorted Cuban chicks, to a highly-ranked forum member, not three days ago. So yeah, you bet I know Cuba!)

Quoting you: "Don't underestimate the wealth, power, influence and resolve of the Cuban exile community.
Once the last vestiges of the Castro regime are gone and the capital floodgates open (the corporate trickle has already started) Cuba is more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"

Cuba "more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"?? Well, do you know that airlines companies are already diminishing, scaling down, the frequency of their flights to Cuba (after the partial opening of the market and slots, just a few months ago)? Tourists just don't come to the island as much as expected (US tourists in any case)...

Also, why would "Hispanic" Cuban Americans invest in a country that has changed so much, where they'd be an ethnic minority? I don't see them coming en-masse to live or even invest in the island. Yeah, couple of paladares here or there, a few casas particulares, sure, but apart from that...

 

[godzilla]

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti :s here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

What are you basing your conjecture on?

How many Cubans do you know?

What/how do you actually know about the culture, community and values?

I know many Cubans indeed, men and women (most of them living in Cuba, some in Miami). I have traveled several times over there (all over Cuba except of course Havana, which I naturally dislike), spanning more than a decade. I had a Cuban fiancee, and never went to touristy hotels. I still have very good friends in the island...

Well, so: to sum it up, I know a lot about the Cuban culture, which used to be very unique, endearing often and interesting; and about their, er, values (which, sadly, nowadays are but the USD and consumerism - among the young I mean).

(By the way, in case it's verifiable through RVF logs, I even logged on the forum from several "exotic" Cuban IP addresses... Ah, and as luck has it, I also showed pics of me in provincial Cuba, with assorted Cuban chicks, to a highly-ranked forum member, not three days ago. So yeah, you bet I know Cuba!)

Quoting you: "Don't underestimate the wealth, power, influence and resolve of the Cuban exile community.
Once the last vestiges of the Castro regime are gone and the capital floodgates open (the corporate trickle has already started) Cuba is more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"

Cuba "more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"?? Well, do you know that airlines companies are already diminishing, scaling down, the frequency of their flights to Cuba (after the partial opening of the market and slots, just a few months ago)? Tourists just don't come to the island as much as expected (US tourists in any case)...

Also, why would "Hispanic" Cuban Americans invest in a country that has changed so much, where they'd be an ethnic minority? I don't see them coming en-masse to live or even invest in the island. Yeah, couple of paladares here or there, a few casas particulares, sure, but apart from that...

Yea I know the official figures are bogus, hard to believe blacks are the majority though. Theres a lot of mixed people on the island, hard to tell whats what.

You basically just said because Cuba is mostly black it'll turn into Haiti, its an "hispanic" culture first of all, so thats a stretch. But even so, why couldn't it like be the DR, or Trindad and Tobogo or Bostwana, or Ghana?

 

[Teutatis]

The Cubans didn't need sanctuary cities because they were given automatic citizenship under the former policy.

They weren't given automatic citizenship, they were given a pathway to citizenship that still took years, but I agree that policy wasn't fair to other countries.

Most Cubans outside of South Florida have assimilated and mix with other whites, and mostly consider themselves white today.

They consider themselves white because they are white, they're mostly spaniards with some other euro mix. In fact they're "whiter" than lots of white Americans that claim to have some indian or black ancestry since white Cubans can be very racist and in general don't mix much.

I don't think Cuba will become Haiti but Going Strong is right about the demographics. The reality is that the majority of the white Cubans has left the island and is now living in the US and a few other countries. Cuba's population is now mainly black, so much so that when someone speaks of Cubans they picture a black guy or girl, not white, so Cuba will never be what once was or it could've been, communism destroyed Cuba forever. Not to say that it can't be a successful country once again, it surely can but it won't ever be what Cuba was, it will be something different, unless there was a massive exodus from Florida to Cuba from the white Cuban community, but I don't see that happening at all.

The white Cubans living in the US are highly educated and successful and are also as anti socialist as it can be, the Cubans coming to the US nowadays are more diverse both ethnically and politically.

 

[Going strong]

I have been told that, during centuries, Spaniards actually prohibited White people from leaving the island of Cuba. White "criollos" (Hispanics born in Cuba, not in Spain) were not allowed, by law, to resettle to another place. It's because, I guess, Spaniards wanted to avoid the fate of White settlers (originally from France), who were genocided by Blacks in Haiti in 1804. A genocide not taught in US schools, but which actually was the main "psychological" reason behind the American civil war.

Incidentally, one year or more ago, I wrote about this genocide on the forum, noting that even politically-correct Wikipedia calls it a genocide... but, surprise, Wikipedia has downgraded this total genocide to simple "massacres", and rewritten the text ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre )... Well of course, according to the establishment, White people, being Armenian or French, have no right to any historical "genocide victims" status (of course, and for several reasons, this excludes the only exception, you know which one)...

Anyway, a not-so-bad Ghana future is, granted, a possibility for Cuba. The Haiti scenario is not certain, luckily. But mind you, not a lot of people would invest in Ghana (big companies would, not individuals)...

 

[JayMillz]

 

[JayMillz]

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said that, effective immediately, Cuban migrants will now be treated “the same way we treat migrants from other countries.”

If so, I submit that any Cuban who wants to stay perpetually (and illegally) in the United States should no longer be trying to make it to Florida. Try to make it to Mexico, walk across the one of the gaping holes in the Southern border and become 1 of the ~11-30 million.

Trump has to build that wall for you guys and soon.

 

[LeeEnfield303]

Cubanos chose....poorly.