Obama ending ‘wet-foot, dry-foot’ policy

Teutatis

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Going strong said:
I have been told that, during centuries, Spaniards actually prohibited White people from leaving the island of Cuba. White "criollos" (Hispanics born in Cuba, not in Spain) were not allowed, by law, to resettle to another place. It's because, I guess, Spaniards wanted to avoid the fate of White settlers (originally from France), who were genocided by Blacks in Haiti in 1804. A genocide not taught in US schools, but which actually was the main "psychological" reason behind the American civil war.

Incidentally, one year or more ago, I wrote about this genocide on the forum, noting that even politically-correct Wikipedia calls it a genocide... but, surprise, Wikipedia has downgraded this total genocide to simple "massacres", and rewritten the text ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre )... Well of course, according to the establishment, White people, being Armenian or French, have no right to any historical "genocide victims" status (of course, and for several reasons, this excludes the only exception, you know which one)...

Anyway, a not-so-bad Ghana future is, granted, a possibility for Cuba. The Haiti scenario is not certain, luckily. But mind you, not a lot of people would invest in Ghana (big companies would, not individuals)...

Haiti, once an extremely rich piece of land that devolved into the shithole that it is today because the black majority thought it would be a good idea to torture and exterminate the white minority.

You're right about how the events in what would later become Haiti influenced the events in the American civil war, the huge majority of white Americans never owned slaves but in the south they feared a Haiti like genocide. Funny how, unlike what modern propaganda would have you believe, anti slavery sentiment was already wide spread across Europe in the 18th century on humanitarian grounds, and the people that did own slaves did so not because they thought blacks weren't human or some nonsense like that but because their idiotic business models relied on it. Still, a really shitty and abhorring business model that fortunately humans got rid of (for the most part).
 

Teutatis

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Going strong said:
Anyway, a not-so-bad Ghana future is, granted, a possibility for Cuba. The Haiti scenario is not certain, luckily. But mind you, not a lot of people would invest in Ghana (big companies would, not individuals)...

Despite the clusterfuck of stupidity that a communist regime is Cuba at least managed to escape the sad fall into failed state that Venezuela suffered recently, so on one hand I do feel that Cuba could do relatively well after an hypothetical regime change (educated population, relative stability and peace, lots of Cuban expats in the US with money to invest, lots of businesses what could want to invest, etc.) but on the other I can also see the reasons it would simply slide more and more into failed statehood. I honestly don't know what will happen to the island.
 

Yatagan

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Speaking of Cuba's racial demographics, this post that Vox Day posted by a second generation Cuban-american lays it all down: Link

American of Cuban descent, second generation. I have a few thoughts.

First, I agree with Obama's decision even if I think it was done in bad faith. The US has enough people and it doesn't need any more. The ones who have been arriving as of late have not been the best and the brightest, and have added nothing to the US except for more debt through social services and depressed wages.

Second, I know that this was done because of the elections. Obama is a petty man. Had Hillary won, Obama probably would have sat this one through and let Hillary take it down. Cubans hate the Clintons anyway, so there would be no love lost there. But Steve Sailor has this right, Cubans went for Trump 54%. They voted for him with the same percentage as white women. So yeah, a petty move by a petty man. Although good was done, it was still done under false presences. Had this been an honest move, he would have done it before the election, right around the time relations with Cuba were normalized.

Third, and this isn't something anyone here is going to like to hear, but it must be said. For the poster who stated that the "Exile" should now go back, the "Exile" is dead. Literally. Those Cubans who considered themselves "The Exile" were baby boomers/greatest generation of which most have died. The last member of that generation is my grandmother who is so old she can neither speak nor move. Their children, the Baby Boomers, either came to the US as young children or were born here. They are somewhat culturally Cuban, but this is the gist, the Cuba which they are culturally a part of is no longer alive. CUBA, is dead. Dead dead dead. They may think they are Cubans, but most Cubans don't acknowledge them as such. Indeed, they are very different in values and appearance.

And this is connected to my Fourth point. It's very interesting that in a blog like this, and others, where race matters and where differences of race are considered, few people consider this dynamic in another country, like say, Cuba. If anyone were to scan the faces of those who went to Fidel's funeral, one would see a sea of black people. When one of my family members visited in the 90's, she came back with rolls of tape and a sad heart. "It's just not the same," she said. I wonder why. A great aunt, not quite so PC, asked while watching the video of the trip what "all those black people are doing there." The people who made Cuba what it is, the White/mostly white Spaniards are gone. That means Cuba is gone. This is a tough pill to swallow because no one likes to admit these things since to admit them, one would have to discuss difficult issues about race.

It's been white flight since '56. I know this because the Cubans I grew up with don't look anything like the majority of Cubans who live in Cuba right now. There is no way that second and third generation children will go there and fell at home. This is very different from going back to Europe and being surrounded by a people and a culture who are familiar. As a comparison, my Aunt who found Cuba too Different to visit again goes to Spain all the time and thinks its great.

I am honest enough to admit this, but most Cubans are not. Instead, they will find some excuse or other to stay here. A few recent arrivals who can't cut it may go back, but those who were born here of the original three waves will be in no hurry to go. I suspect that the man whose half-Cuban niece considered going to Cuba after Castro's death will have a mysterious change of heart if she ever seriously entertains the idea and does a few preliminary visits. She may never speak the reason, because to do so will mean she will cross the bounds of social respectability, but she will know it in her heart. Namely, that the Cubans who live in Cuba look nothing like her Cuban parent and extended family. She may as well move to Detroit, with nicer black people.

Race matters. Even in Cuba.

Fifth, Socialism isn't dead there. Castro's death changes nothing. The family is still very much in power, and a successor has been named upon Raul's death. The majority black/mulatto population backs and happily does their bidding even though the ruling class is almost entirely white.

Cuba is dead to me. But it isn't just dead to me, it is dead, period.

As a (Euro/Spanish)Cuban-American myself living in a majority Cuban city here in South FL, i can attest that what I've seen of Cubans in Cuba doesn't match up with the ones I've grown up with and still live around.
 

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Crow
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The following is a reddit post that pretty much says what I feel:

You mean the communist nation they flee from and then return to 3 or 4 times a year to? They come because of money like everyone else, not persecution. Many Cubans would come to the US, claim parole and asylum, start receiving their stipend and then move back to Cuba 365 days later. A friend or family member would then send them the money that the US Gov't is paying them and live like kings.

Y'all like to talk shit about Messicans but Cubans are the real welfare queens.

There are some who left Cuba and have been living in Spain for many years, and then to retire come to the USA and claim parole and asylum. I'm glad these fuckers got shut right in their face.
 

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Crow
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Also, I wish we could deport them all and finally put an end to their fucked up Spanish. Can't those niggas enunciate their "S"s?

Some of you folks have an obsession with white-only migration.
 

Going strong

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Cattle Rustler said:
Some of you folks have an obsession with white-only migration.

Could it be because we've seen what "Black" (Afro-descending) migration does to countries, anywhere it occurs in the world? Not exactly bringing a cornu copiae along...
 
Atlanta Man said:
Game Changer! All the rednecks in Ft Lauderdale and all parts North Florida are rejoicing! Make South Florida America Again!!! Make Miami Great Again!!! MMGA!!! English is back in South Florida!

Rediculous. You have no idea whay you are talking about. Cuban-Americans are some of the biggest Anti-Communist (and Trump supporters) in America. Take a look at Miami, this city, its institutions, buildings and wealth was built mostly by Cuban Americans. Before them it was a sleepy mosquito outpost port town.

The Obama action is strictly as a favor to the Communist government of Cuba. I was in Cuba the day this happened and was able to collect a lot of information.

More than an estimated 10,000 are enroute (via people smugglers Guyana - VZ - Colombia -CA - MX) as opposed to the dangerous water crossing, right now.

OP normally you have some decent comments but this one? Save it for Mexicans or something. Its dumb ass ignorant.
 

Oz.

Pelican
I just noticed this thread. I'm not even going to comment on it, but, I'm glad theres some guys like Going strong and Off The Reservation who actually know what they are talking about.

Oh yeah you can't deport me, I got my green card.

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