Obama Has Been a Disaster for American Foreign Policy and Ukraine is Proof

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rastignac

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Roosh said:
What would Romney do that Obama isn't doing now? Launch a hot war?

The mistake was in destabilizing Ukraine, thinking that breeding chaos would send Ukraine into EU's arms without Russia reacting.

This contention that the US destabilized Ukraine - a commonplace in the Putin controlled press and the fellow travelers in the American and European left (oddly enough).... where is the proof?

I see pretty clear proof that Russian special forces on the ground since Maidan, organizing, agitating, shooting (yeah, I can pull out dozens of links if need be). Ukraine was calm after Yanukovych left until Russian destabilized the situation on the ground. It would be calmer if he left.

Even if the US - or people like Soros - supported Maidan financially, it did not destabilize the country and its civil society. It may have destabilized a balance of power with Russia... and Russian claims to Ukraine (which range to realpolitik claims about a sphere of influence to claiming Ukraine is an artificial country and needs to be annexed as a whole).

So even if the US did play a role in supporting Maidan, I say bravo. The Ukrainians I know supported it and want more. World politics be damned. Without Maidan, Ukraine was on a path to Putin-style dictatorship for the long term.

Agree it is really unclear what Romney would have done differently. However, acting tough seems to matter in the Slavic world and this has definitely hurt Obama.
 

Samseau

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Orion said:
Democrats just brought warfare to another level - drones.

I did some research - Drone warfare really started in 2001 under Bush. It's very consistent - warfare expands under republicans and welfare expands under democrats.

Once the government expands, of course, it never contracts. Thus the drone program that started under Bush continued under Obama, and Obamacare will continue in some form or another under whatever new president that comes in the future, even if it's Republican.
 

kosko

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Roosh said:
What would Romney do that Obama isn't doing now? Launch a hot war?

The mistake was in destabilizing Ukraine, thinking that breeding chaos would send Ukraine into EU's arms without Russia reacting.

America would of been in turmoil from Syria. Romney was horny for action and would of went head in to dive versus Obamas he situation and waffling.

Obama's strategy is terrible but it has more to du with a weak America position versus shoddy strategy. They are still doing the same strategy just slower and on the cheap. You get what you lay for and America is luckless dragging and being lazy and getting reamed for it.
 
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