Official Boxing Thread for Videos, History, Interviews, Analysis, etc.

LeBeau

Ostrich
Gold Member
I did a search and saw various boxing threads, and ones about particular fights, but no general thread.

I've seen G and others post up dope videos in random threads, but I thought it'd be a good idea to have a central location so they don't get lost in the archives.

I'll get us started:




 

SpiderKing

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Earlier this year I found a youtube channel called "A Million Styles Boxing" by trainer Barry Robinson. I believe he studies wing chun outside of boxing, and mentions the wing chun concept of hand-trapping. Barry used a section from the Mayweather vs Gatti fight to illustrate how Floyd uses the same elements of wing chun to move Gatti's arms and open up his body for precise shots. You can observe the slow motion on this highlight reel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=orYBdp5ljS0&t=89
skip to 1:30

Observe how after the left hook, Floyd pushes Gatti's left elbow in order to attack his body. Barry mentioned in another video that while Mayweather is known as an effective striker, he uses a lot of wrestling elements to seize an advantage.


The youtube site was taken down, so much of his breakdowns about footwork, positioning, range and other fundamentals are unavailable. He does have a vimeo site with some analyses uploaded:

http://vimeo.com/channels/amsbtraining

*****

Here's a video by Bruce Lee's contemporary/student/teacher Dan Inosanto. It covers the principles of the Philippines martial art of Kali. Being a teacher of Jeet Kun Do, Mr. Inosanto also covers other fighting styles such as muay thai, wing chun, and boxing to teach the same principles from multiple perspectives.

Here he covers the contribution of Philippino knife fighting to modern boxing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8FQfLmhqyw&t=1137
skip to 18:57
 

LeBeau

Ostrich
Gold Member
You guys might like this channel, boxing coach from Israel with lots of training videos and tutorials:



And of course, these are classic:

 

scorpion

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Nice thread.

It's always funny to me how quickly many people dismiss boxing as a martial art (usually on the internet). Over the years I've lost count of how many times I've read some keyboard jockey go on about how boxing is not effective compared to other martial arts because it doesn't use kicks, or elbows, or grappling, etc... They will usually then proceed to pimp some Asian martial art that's supposedly THE MOST DANGEROUS IN THE WORLD or some such nonsense. (Or lately, you see a lot of clowns talking about Krav Maga, which is little more than a bunch of over-choreographed drills straight out of an action movie).

It's always painfully obvious that idiots like this have never even seen, much been in any type of real street fight. They get all their opinions on street fighting from the movies. The reality is that boxing is by far the most effective and versatile martial art for real-world fighting. Period. No other martial art gives you the combination of offense, defense and mobility that boxing does, and no other martial art allows a competent practitioner the ability to defeat multiple unarmed opponents the way boxing does.

Kickboxing and Muay Thai are close seconds, but boxing ultimately trumps them in my experience, because it's very rarely advantageous to take your feet off the ground during a street fight, since it's very easy to trip/slip on something and end up on the ground, which is the last place you want to be. Yeah, it's nice to have an arsenal of kicks and knees, but fast hands, good head movement and adroit footwork are much more important for walking away from a street fight.

Boxing for life.
 

pdub

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
scorpion said:
It's always painfully obvious that idiots like this have never even seen, much been in any type of real street fight. They get all their opinions on street fighting from the movies. The reality is that boxing is by far the most effective and versatile martial art for real-world fighting. Period. No other martial art gives you the combination of offense, defense and mobility that boxing does, and no other martial art allows a competent practitioner the ability to defeat multiple unarmed opponents the way boxing does.

I think that Boxing also carries over to fighting with the kinds of weapons you'd find in regular life like sticks, bottles, tire iron, etc. Who can hit harder, faster and more accurately? A boxer who can generate the power to throw a fight ending hook since he's done it hundreds of times on sparring partners and thousands of times on the heavy bag, or a the guy doing silat/eskrima/kali by cutting the air with a sai and nunchucks?

One of you guys should do an article on why Boxing is the best martial art for players.
 

Kieran

Pelican
Gold Member
I don't know how to embed yt videos, but anyway here's a selection of technique videos I've come across recently:

Here's some Colombian (I think) instructional videos demonstrating perfect textbook technique (there's a whole series of them linked to this video too). Notice how high he raises the elbow on the lead hook, Cuban style. Most coaches say this is to ensure the white part of the glove lands in order to score points, but I've found it an effective variation that adds a little more pop and gets the shoulder right up to protect the chin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLXHsFRwtOc

Here's Hopkins teaching Rashad Evans about throwing the lead right hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHwPBTDDp00

In this corner with Mayweather where Mayweather also talks about throwing the lead right hand off rhythm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqOJp9Wmayo

Here's Tommy Hearns teaching Bradley how to sit down on the right hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1GtrWw09eE

Here's a decent breakdown of Hearns' right hand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgXA6wFbzDA

Same guy discussing reaching with the lead hook in order to get it to land, as opposed to shifting weight to rear foot as in the classic hook (he makes some good points, video is in two parts): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMU7wQJzNHc
 

Kieran

Pelican
Gold Member
A few more interesting ones:

Lennox Lewis showing Eubank how to jab from the coil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv2leT3cBOU

One of my favourite fighters to watch (have learned so much from watching him fight), Mike McCallum talking about "stealing" and setting up big shots (fairly basic stuff): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMeGnD0zZGI

One of the only videos clearly showing the technique for the Cuban style rear hand hook / overhand right (slightly different to the typical overhand, you'll see the Cubans throw this a lot in amateur competition, Gamboa also throws it a lot, including a variation to the body): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9P06e-bEd8
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
Man, RJJ should have retired either after beating John Ruiz, or after regaining the Light Heavy belt - what a legacy he would have had. I just hope his descent into crapness won't harm said legacy after he retires formally. I think in his prime, he was up there, and I mean UP THERE at the very top echelons of the sport.
 

LeBeau

Ostrich
Gold Member
Watching the Wladimir Klitschko vs Alexander Povetkin fight, not very exciting so far.

I'm seeing more clinching than combinations.
 

RougeNoir

Pelican
I'm going out on a limb and am going to say that Ali is not the greatest boxer of all time. He was an activist and played an instrumental role in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s and early 70s. However, I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best of all time. Look at his track record. Flawless, even better than the Klitschko twins.
 

Merenguero

Crow
Gold Member
RougeNoir said:
I'm going out on a limb and am going to say that Ali is not the greatest boxer of all time. He was an activist and played an instrumental role in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s and early 70s. However, I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best of all time. Look at his track record. Flawless, even better than the Klitschko twins.

What separates Mayweather from guys like Ali, Tyson, and Roy Jones, Jr. is that those other guys all had pretty serious downfalls. At this point, I'd say that the chances of Mayweather ever losing are slim and none. If anything, it seems as though he is only getting better.
 

RougeNoir

Pelican
Merenguero said:
RougeNoir said:
I'm going out on a limb and am going to say that Ali is not the greatest boxer of all time. He was an activist and played an instrumental role in the Civil Rights Movement of the 60s and early 70s. However, I think Floyd Mayweather Jr. is the best of all time. Look at his track record. Flawless, even better than the Klitschko twins.

What separates Mayweather from guys like Ali, Tyson, and Roy Jones, Jr. is that those other guys all had pretty serious downfalls. At this point, I'd say that the chances of Mayweather ever losing are slim and none. If anything, it seems as though he is only getting better.

Exactly. We can only debate on who landed the best punch on Floyd Mayweather Jr., Shane Moseley or Zab Judah, while we can reminisce of James "Buster" Douglas overpowering and eventually knocking out Iron Mike, or Joe Frazier winning on points against Ali, Roy Jones losing twice to Tarver. Floyd Mayweather Jr. has demonstrated that he is the ultimate fighter for his weight class. His opponents immediately look amateurish and as the fight goes on they lose their composure due to counter-punching and become helpless. Even amidst the vacancy of a real American heavyweight, "Money" Mayweather may well very be the best the boxer the sport has ever seen in the history of pugilism.
 
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