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Merenguero said:
Damn, you aren't too high on Rios.
I agree with you though, I think Pac probably takes it. I don't think he is nearly as far gone as everyone seems to think. He really just got caught once.
Rios, is certainly no all time historical fighter, but I do like his inside work. I like how he hooks to the body and comes right up with upppercuts. Real vicious. And I don't mean that Swedish guy on here either.
Remember though, he also beat Alavardo.
I haven't seen the Broner VS Malinaggi fight, maybe that's why I rate him higher than you do.
thegmanifesto said:
If you watch both the Broner-Ponce De Leon fight and the Broner-Malignaggi fight, you may very well agree with me.
Is anyone going to watch the Andre Ward fight tomorrow? I say Ward wins a pretty-one-sided unanimous decision. The odds I saw were about -750 in favor of Ward. I think the odds are pretty exaggerated considering Rodriguez is undefeated and Ward has not fought in quite some time, but I guess that's the effect of the number two pound for pound guy fighting a guy who's probably nowhere near the pound for pound list. For some reason, I have every major cable TV channel except for HBO, so I probably won't be watching the fight.
Merenguero said:
Say what?
Get HBO holmes.
If there was one channel I could have it would be HBO.
Because of Boxing and Bill Maher.
thegmanifesto said:
Showtime is better right now, because all the Golden Boy fighters are fighting there and not on HBO. The Top Rank guys are on HBO. I used to have it and used to watch the fights, but for some reason it got shut off. I don't pay the bill or deal with any of that stuff, but I need to get it back.
Speaking of Andre Ward.
If anyone wants to learn more about him, the author of "A Fighter's Heart" spent a while with Ward and his trainer, which forms a chapter in the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Fighters-Heart-Journey-Through-Fighting/dp/0802143431
I read this years ago and I'm sure any Boxing or MMA fans will enjoy it, though it has a couple chapters that could have been edited better.
If anyone wants to learn more about him, the author of "A Fighter's Heart" spent a while with Ward and his trainer, which forms a chapter in the book:
http://www.amazon.com/Fighters-Heart-Journey-Through-Fighting/dp/0802143431
I read this years ago and I'm sure any Boxing or MMA fans will enjoy it, though it has a couple chapters that could have been edited better.
Merenguero said:
My go to boxing stream: http://www.boxingguru.tv/ Has every fight you'd care to watch.
Also, looking forward to reading Tyson's autobio. Apparently it's amazing. Brutally honest, sad, funny etc.
LeBeau said:
My uncle works with Ward's aunt. My uncle knows the family.
He says that Ward is a very solid, humble, quiet, old school, religious kid.
I don't know if that's good or bad for his boxing career but thats the type of kid he is. He's a great kid.
cardguy said:
Well, both of those things are true..
Mike went broke because of his lack of financial discipline and education.
But, its also true that Don King was stealing from him.
Even if Don King wasn't stealing from him, he still might have gone broke but the fact is that Don King was stealing from Mike.
A manager should protect his fighter financially. He knew Mike didn't have the means to invest and save his his money.
Most of Mikes managers were crooks. Boxing is a shady business. They should have set him up with trusts and other investment vehicles. They didn't do any of that.
Mike was 19 years old when he became world champion. Just a kid. They should have done more to protect him financially.
They were just on the take.
cardguy said:
A sad place or a violent place???
Maybe both?
Violence is a weird phenomenon. What fuels it is often a combination of sadness, rage, hopelessness, anger, frustration, etc.
All of these things can be channeled into violence.
This video was taken the day before a world championship fight. Literally, 24 hours before going to war.
Fighters put their lives on the line. They often channel their inner demons in order to work themselves into a murderous frenzy. This is their job. It's kill or be killed.
I don't expect fighters to behave like me and you. They are risking their lives. They play by a different set of rules.
If you had a life or death fight tomorrow. How would you feel? You know the other man is coming to kill you. If you win, you make millions, if you lose, your career could be over.
If you were in that position, you might be a little irritable, you might be on edge. If some little reporter guy was talking shit to you, you might go off on him the way Mike did.
This is a fight. A fight for millions of dollars. Sadness, rage, anger, frustration, etc. are things that could fuel you to win the fight.
Fighting is not a place for proper manners and fancy etiquette. Fighting is war.
Mike was in his warrior mindset, that little reporter guy was talking shit, Mike put him in his place.
This is the business of violence. This is not a place for little reporters to be talking shit.
When you talk shit to a warrior, 24 hours before he goes into battle, how do you expect him to react?
That sadness and rage made him a world champion but it also caused his downfall. Its a strength or a weakness, depending on how we channel it.
It looks crazy in this video, but 24 hours later, it made him million of dollars.
Teedub said:
I actually think that Mike articulates very effectively.
If you listen to the things he says and not the way that he speaks, you can see that he is highly intelligent on the subjects that he cares about.
cardguy said:
^^^ Freeze that video at 0:12. The look on Tyson's face there would send chills down the spine of even the bravest man.
This is my favorite Tyson clip of all time. The way it just builds up is hilarious and awesome. Mike is the best when he goes into his stream of consciousness mode.
Giovonny said:
Yeah, I know he's articulate and has a good vocabulary and stuff. I meant sort of he struggles to articulate his feelings/emotions. In the Being Mike Tyson show, he cries a lot and has very intelligent remarks to make, but I think he struggles sometimes to think WHY he feels that way about a particular subject.
I too am struggling to explain my position! I've been on a Tyson binge this weekend, watching tons of interviews and short documentaries. Can't wait to read his book!
Teedub said:
This is not just my opinion, I have heard boxing journalists discuss this..
Mike Tyson is one of the most knowledgeable people on the planet when it comes to boxing. He knows the history, the evolution, the techniques, the methods, the science, the art, the craft.
Cus D'Amato had the worlds largest collection of boxing videos. Mike and Cus watched and studied those videos for years when Mike was 14-19 years old.
He knows boxing better than almost anyone on earth. He was trained by one of the greatest coaches ever.
Teedub said:
I know what you mean.
Mike is sort of an enigma. When you first hear him speak, its easy to assume that he is stupid. He doesn't always speak clearly, his voice can be high pitched and even feminine, he is sometimes crude, he is sometimes on drugs. But, the more you listen to him to more you realize that he is highly intelligent in certain areas. (psychology, human nature, classism, american culture, women, sociology)
He is a very deep thinker as most fighters are. He has an interesting and unique perspective because he was born and raised outside the mainstream.
I agree that he does struggle to come to grips with his feelings and emotions. I can only imagine the feelings and emotions that he experiences. I know it's hard for him. He was not raised to be in touch with his feelings and emotions. He was raised to hurt people. It can be a tough transition to get over that and learn to express your emotions.
The killer has to learn to love.
Andre Ward was very impressive. It's not easy to fight someone like that who is being very dirty, rough, and physical. Ward handled it gracefully. Great composure and great mental toughness.
Of course, his skill level and athleticism was top notch. Is that the best left jab in boxing?
I love how he conserves energy and movement. He waits patiently and then he strikes. Very cobra like!
What separates Ward is his mind. His trainer told him to "stay intelligent". They are smart guys. They fight smart.
Can't wait for Pacquiao-Rios!
Of course, his skill level and athleticism was top notch. Is that the best left jab in boxing?
I love how he conserves energy and movement. He waits patiently and then he strikes. Very cobra like!
What separates Ward is his mind. His trainer told him to "stay intelligent". They are smart guys. They fight smart.
Can't wait for Pacquiao-Rios!