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Johnnyvee

Ostrich
TravelerKai said:
You do not want to be "too lean" for this particular fight.... Wilder is big and extremely strong. He is going to need some mass to hang on if he gets tagged a few times in a bad streak. He isn't Floyd and can avoid 85%+ of the opponents punches.

Wilder also likes to grab the opponents lead hand and punch. So he is going to need some additional mass to avoid getting his hands pulled down.

The only way that will backfire on him is if it slows him down so much that he loses his speed advantage over Wilder.

It`s his conditioning I`m thinking about when I say he`s a bit too chubby. He needs to be able to go 12 rounds at a decent pace to win this one.

I believe this fight will most likely come to a decision. Maybe a tentative start from Wilder...but his team are aware of the danger in losing the first 4-5 rounds. Then you`re in a situation where you have to look for a KO, which is not easy against Fury. My prediction is a points win for Fury, if the judges are fair.
 
Bodyfat percentage and conditioning are surprising uncorrelated. Not boxing per say, but Daniel Cormier has some of the best cardio in LHV/HW in the ufc and he looks like a tub of lard.

Often the ultra ripped types have the worst gas tank.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Trumpian said:
Bodyfat percentage and conditioning are surprising uncorrelated. Not boxing per say, but Daniel Cormier has some of the best cardio in LHV/HW in the ufc and he looks like a tub of lard.

Often the ultra ripped types have the worst gas tank.


The more mass you have to move, the more ATP is required. This is basic biology. Some athletes might just have great technique and move efficiently. They don`t waste energy in other words. But a lighter person will always have the advantage when it comes to moving a certain distance etc. with the least amount energy used. (Adjusted for other factors like lung capacity, mitochondrial function, age, genetics etc.) You don`t find chubby elite runners after all.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Trumpian said:
^Long distance runners have significantly higher bodyfat than 100 meter specialists. Why is that?

-High carb diet>insulin resistance>adiposity, basically.

-Sprinting and resistance training+more protein is less lipogenic. Humans are very efficient at slow rate activity. (Adaptation to walking great distances frequently.)

-Elite runners (and other elite endurance athletes, tennis players etc.) have very low body fat, they burn of all carbs they consume. This is often not the case for the amateurs and semi-pros.

-Also, body mass (weight) and body fat percentage are not always in synch. (Although they usually are.) There is an element of physics at play here also, not just biology. It`s easier on average for a skinny fat person to run a 10k, than it is for a heavy fat person.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Cr33pin said:

Saw that one! I think the idea of fighting Fury being a mistake is quite silly. He might lose of course, but at this stage in his career it`s time to take the big fights. He`s 40-0 and have a long career behind him after all, so if he`s not ready now I doubt he ever will be. I`m with Fury though.
 

Repo

Hummingbird
Johnnyvee said:
Trumpian said:
Bodyfat percentage and conditioning are surprising uncorrelated. Not boxing per say, but Daniel Cormier has some of the best cardio in LHV/HW in the ufc and he looks like a tub of lard.

Often the ultra ripped types have the worst gas tank.


The more mass you have to move, the more ATP is required. This is basic biology. Some athletes might just have great technique and move efficiently. They don`t waste energy in other words. But a lighter person will always have the advantage when it comes to moving a certain distance etc. with the least amount energy used. (Adjusted for other factors like lung capacity, mitochondrial function, age, genetics etc.) You don`t find chubby elite runners after all.

Yes, but when comparing two people with the same mass, but one has more muscle and the other has higher body fat, then your argument is less relevant. Just maintaining 50lbs of muscle takes can take more energy than 40 lbs of muscle and 10 pounds of fat, generally speaking.

Anyway, just because one is harder than the other doesnt mean that someone cant still have enough energy to go the distance either way.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
Repo said:
Johnnyvee said:
Trumpian said:
Bodyfat percentage and conditioning are surprising uncorrelated. Not boxing per say, but Daniel Cormier has some of the best cardio in LHV/HW in the ufc and he looks like a tub of lard.

Often the ultra ripped types have the worst gas tank.


The more mass you have to move, the more ATP is required. This is basic biology. Some athletes might just have great technique and move efficiently. They don`t waste energy in other words. But a lighter person will always have the advantage when it comes to moving a certain distance etc. with the least amount energy used. (Adjusted for other factors like lung capacity, mitochondrial function, age, genetics etc.) You don`t find chubby elite runners after all.

Yes, but when comparing two people with the same mass, but one has more muscle and the other has higher body fat, then your argument is less relevant. Just maintaining 50lbs of muscle takes can take more energy than 40 lbs of muscle and 10 pounds of fat, generally speaking.

Anyway, just because one is harder than the other doesnt mean that someone cant still have enough energy to go the distance either way.

Yes, I was referring to mass in the sense of physics basically. If you have the same bodyweight then it will depend on a lot of different elements like genetics, your training regime, mitochondrial capacity, body morphology etc. But in this case, it`s safe to say that Wilder has the advantage. I still think Fury will win though.
 

TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
Teedub said:
I'm up at 4:40am watching my friend. Heart pounding, so excited/nervous. No sport other than boxing does this to me!

Right on! The hype is off the charts crazy indeed!

The main event is about to start, I'm nervous too.
 

TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
Geeez! Wilder went all out with the ring entrance. At least the rapper has a red pill chorus line. He better win with all that. That's a metric ton ass load worth of shit talk.
 

aeroektar

Pelican
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TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
Fury's defense is very predictable. Easy to spot on film too when I watched film on him. If he is doing the exact same thing every time Wilder throws his 1-2, then make a fucking adjustment for fucks sake!
 
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