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TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
Johnnyvee said:
TravelerKai said:
Johnnyvee said:
Damn it!
I was extremely close at putting in a bet with a Fury win as a hedge, and a draw as the main bet at 27-1 odds. My reasoning was that Fury would be cheated somewhat and they would make it a draw, sort of like Lewis-Holyfield 1. I have to start trusting myself. (Same with Trump and Brexit, should have put some money on it.) I think it was a pretty fair decision all in all though.

I hate to brag, but I was right on pretty much everything going into this fight. I knew Fury`s flab would be a problem in latter rounds. Had he been fit enough, he would have won it. Wilder has excellent stamina.

Johnny, sorry but you are way off base brother. Had Fury weighed less it is obvious he would have been knocked the fuck out. He was in very great shape actually and looked super sharp.

Weight is power. Size matters.

Forget about the 2 knockdowns. Think about all the other punches he was able to shrug off!!!!

If he fights Joshua next he might trim down more, but he was smart by being the weight he was last night.

I hear your (fat acceptance:)) argument, but I think he would do better with less flab in the latter rounds. I think he got hit more towards the end due to his lack of stamina. I hope he improves his fitness before a rematch takes place.

You should watch American Football sometimes and take a look at offense and defensive linemen. There are dudes on teams with 4 times the stamina of both fighters and twice the flab. Don't let the fat fool you. Fat does not suck up excessive amounts of oxygen like muscles do. Also sometimes skin is too loose, especially for full contact athletes that have to make weight and still do fast cuts. Nowadays fewer guys do this, but some dudes are still oldskool.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
TravelerKai said:
Johnnyvee said:
TravelerKai said:
Johnnyvee said:
Damn it!
I was extremely close at putting in a bet with a Fury win as a hedge, and a draw as the main bet at 27-1 odds. My reasoning was that Fury would be cheated somewhat and they would make it a draw, sort of like Lewis-Holyfield 1. I have to start trusting myself. (Same with Trump and Brexit, should have put some money on it.) I think it was a pretty fair decision all in all though.

I hate to brag, but I was right on pretty much everything going into this fight. I knew Fury`s flab would be a problem in latter rounds. Had he been fit enough, he would have won it. Wilder has excellent stamina.

Johnny, sorry but you are way off base brother. Had Fury weighed less it is obvious he would have been knocked the fuck out. He was in very great shape actually and looked super sharp.

Weight is power. Size matters.

Forget about the 2 knockdowns. Think about all the other punches he was able to shrug off!!!!

If he fights Joshua next he might trim down more, but he was smart by being the weight he was last night.

I hear your (fat acceptance:)) argument, but I think he would do better with less flab in the latter rounds. I think he got hit more towards the end due to his lack of stamina. I hope he improves his fitness before a rematch takes place.

You should watch American Football sometimes and take a look at offense and defensive linemen. There are dudes on teams with 4 times the stamina of both fighters and twice the flab. Don't let the fat fool you. Fat does not suck up excessive amounts of oxygen like muscles do. Also sometimes skin is too loose, especially for full contact athletes that have to make weight and still do fast cuts. Nowadays fewer guys do this, but some dudes are still oldskool.

It depends on what you`re training for. They might have good endurance relative to other athletes in the same sport, but let them run a 10k, and that mass would slow them down to a great extent. I think Wilder would run circles around those guys you mentioned. (Not Fury though)

I see your point, but in the absolute sense, not relative to the specific sport, excess mass will always be a negative when it comes to endurance. The flabby elite endurance athlete does not exist.


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Case in point, marathon WR holder Eliud Kipchoge of Kenya.
 

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nek

Pelican
Either way, both guys deserve mad respect for fighting each other. It was a tough match up for both of them, they're both at the top of their games, and they didn't duck each other. They fought, they risked their records, they got paid. Hope Wilder is gettin some pussy, hope Fury will allow his wife the privilege of massaging his feet while dinner is in the oven...
 
TravelerKai said:
Johnnyvee said:
Damn it!
I was extremely close at putting in a bet with a Fury win as a hedge, and a draw as the main bet at 27-1 odds. My reasoning was that Fury would be cheated somewhat and they would make it a draw, sort of like Lewis-Holyfield 1. I have to start trusting myself. (Same with Trump and Brexit, should have put some money on it.) I think it was a pretty fair decision all in all though.

I hate to brag, but I was right on pretty much everything going into this fight. I knew Fury`s flab would be a problem in latter rounds. Had he been fit enough, he would have won it. Wilder has excellent stamina.

Johnny, sorry but you are way off base brother. Had Fury weighed less it is obvious he would have been knocked the fuck out. He was in very great shape actually and looked super sharp.

Weight is power. Size matters.

Forget about the 2 knockdowns. Think about all the other punches he was able to shrug off!!!!

If he fights Joshua next he might trim down more, but he was smart by being the weight he was last night.

Especially against a guy who only weighed 211. He tired out Wilder by leaning on him with all that weight. He fought as good a fight as he could and probably deserved the win. But a draw won't hurt him, especially the way he fought last night.

My guess is that he skips a rematch with Wilder, and goes right to a fight with Joshua for $$$$$.
 

TravelerKai

Peacock
Gold Member
The Father said:
TravelerKai said:
Johnnyvee said:
Damn it!
I was extremely close at putting in a bet with a Fury win as a hedge, and a draw as the main bet at 27-1 odds. My reasoning was that Fury would be cheated somewhat and they would make it a draw, sort of like Lewis-Holyfield 1. I have to start trusting myself. (Same with Trump and Brexit, should have put some money on it.) I think it was a pretty fair decision all in all though.

I hate to brag, but I was right on pretty much everything going into this fight. I knew Fury`s flab would be a problem in latter rounds. Had he been fit enough, he would have won it. Wilder has excellent stamina.

Johnny, sorry but you are way off base brother. Had Fury weighed less it is obvious he would have been knocked the fuck out. He was in very great shape actually and looked super sharp.

Weight is power. Size matters.

Forget about the 2 knockdowns. Think about all the other punches he was able to shrug off!!!!

If he fights Joshua next he might trim down more, but he was smart by being the weight he was last night.

Especially against a guy who only weighed 211. He tired out Wilder by leaning on him with all that weight. He fought as good a fight as he could and probably deserved the win. But a draw won't hurt him, especially the way he fought last night.

My guess is that he skips a rematch with Wilder, and goes right to a fight with Joshua for $$$$$.

Yeah it would seem like who he truly wants to fight is Joshua, who he targets the most shit talking to. They both called him out and Fury now talks about how he thinks and feels like he won the Wilder fight. I think he is trying to set up his pivot to chase Joshua and yeah there will likely be more money involved and they would fight in the UK.

Wilder on the other hand needs to learn a new punch and perhaps he can fight the winner of Fury and Joshua and get even more money.
 

Johnnyvee

Ostrich
The Father said:
TravelerKai said:
Johnnyvee said:
Damn it!
I was extremely close at putting in a bet with a Fury win as a hedge, and a draw as the main bet at 27-1 odds. My reasoning was that Fury would be cheated somewhat and they would make it a draw, sort of like Lewis-Holyfield 1. I have to start trusting myself. (Same with Trump and Brexit, should have put some money on it.) I think it was a pretty fair decision all in all though.

I hate to brag, but I was right on pretty much everything going into this fight. I knew Fury`s flab would be a problem in latter rounds. Had he been fit enough, he would have won it. Wilder has excellent stamina.

Johnny, sorry but you are way off base brother. Had Fury weighed less it is obvious he would have been knocked the fuck out. He was in very great shape actually and looked super sharp.

Weight is power. Size matters.

Forget about the 2 knockdowns. Think about all the other punches he was able to shrug off!!!!

If he fights Joshua next he might trim down more, but he was smart by being the weight he was last night.

Especially against a guy who only weighed 211. He tired out Wilder by leaning on him with all that weight. He fought as good a fight as he could and probably deserved the win. But a draw won't hurt him, especially the way he fought last night.

My guess is that he skips a rematch with Wilder, and goes right to a fight with Joshua for $$$$$.

Fury doesn`t strike me as a guy who`s motivated mainly by money though. I`m not so sure Wilder really want`s a rematch with Fury after this. Fury will probably be sharper in the next fight, and if it`s in the UK that will favour Fury also.

I think all in all it was fair with a draw, even with the points lead. You shouldn`t win the title when you`re knocked down twice in my opinion.
 

booshala

Pelican
Gold Member
TravelerKai said:
rudebwoy said:
How do you get knocked down twice and win a fight

Points.

But I know what you mean though. Wilder was utterly outboxed regardless of his scored knockdowns.

Exactly... Wilder had 10/8 in those two knockdown rounds and maybe one more 10/9 round but the rest of the match it was a 10/9 boxing clinic by Fury.

I would say this draw decision is almost as bad as the first GGG/Canelo match. Seeing Rochin's scorecards, I don't see any explanation other than he got paid off. Him and Adalaide Byrd have a special place in hell waiting for them.
 

Teedub

Crow
Gold Member
It's not so much as overt as paying off, it's more a case of a promoter wining and dining them the night before in order to curry favour. Either way, it's fucking shit. WBC have ordered an immediate rematch. Imagine how good Fury will be after a nice month off and then another 12 week camp where the focus isn't on losing weight. If it is indeed at Old Trafford, I'll be going. I have a friend who works for Ticketmaster so I'll be able to get floor seats.
 

booshala

Pelican
Gold Member
So disgusted with the tie decision that I’ll likely sit out Fury v Wilder rematch. Probably gonna be a lot tighter odds than the first fight, I can see it being a -120/-110 line.

In a less controversial match, Lomachenko just straight shut down Pedraza. The guy continues to amaze: his boxing IQ and footwork is otherworldly, not to mention his top conditioning and hand speed.
 

AManLikePutin

Kingfisher
Khabib is a good guy.

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