Oklahoma Frat Shut Down - Racist Chant

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Kamikaze

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As soon as I saw this pop up on my facebook feed, I knew I'd be reading this thread pretty much exactly as it has played out.

I see how some value can be derived from threads like this, but for the most part they're just bait that generate predictable diatribes from familiar voices.

50+ posts in and nothing really enlightening or funny. I know I could just choose not to read or chime in, but would like to leave my opinion of:

2/10 WNR :deadhorse:
 

CJ_W

Pelican
I just saw that this thread had over 1300 views. I'd suggest that people actually watch themselves over what they say. I'm withholding my opinion on the subject for other reasons, but yeah, pretty sure that there's going to be someone who looks at all this and develops ideas about the forum and community in general that may hurt in the long run.
 

Libertas

Crow
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SHANbangs said:
State universities have discretion. Constitutionally, all they must do is clear the loose hurdle of "being rationally related to a legitimate state interest." Not having the state-funded public university be associated with racism clears that hurdle.

Usually on civil rights issues would-be censors need to pass the standard of strict scrutiny. There's case law out there saying universities can just go by the rational basis test?
 

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Crow
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The same members who say "it was a joke" would be the same ones screaming "racism!" if I were to say "lets hang all white men tomorrow".... when saying such phrase in a joking manner.
 

Mentavious

Hummingbird
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I get where a lot of black men are trying to say on here....no black dude wants to hear songs about hanging niggers from a tree or them not being allowed a certain place. For me though, I have kinda gotten use to it. If I got pissed for every racist comment I heard then life would be just an angry blur. I know as black men when we hear this kind of stuff we tend to take it person even when it wasn't a direct attack in us individually.

And on the other hand, I get what other posters are trying to say. Free speech allows them to say whatever they want (including nigger) so a man shouldn't have to lose his job or something he cares deeply for over just words.

For those who feel they weren't in the wrong...
If these fraternity members directed their chants at a black men while riding by. Would your opinion on their punishment change?
 

Sourcecode

Crow
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scorpion said:
A few random thoughts on this:

This post isn't directed towards you. I can't change the way you think, I'm writing this because there are other people that might be ignorant to the facts.

[*]Yet another example of a man (or men) getting betrayed by a vindictive woman.
I like how somehow you find a way to make the woman the sole blame of this.
She is a small fry in this big picture. It could have been anyone to record this video.
The video could have been leaked as a joke, because college kids are so stupd

[*]Yet another example of smartphones absolutely destroying normal socialization.
Normal socialization??
Someone mentioned already.
But how is singing and patronizing a song about hanging black people normal socialization.
These kids are sick

[*]It's hilarious and pathetic to see people falling all over themselves and feigning horror and outrage at what a bunch of 19 year olds said on a private bus ride.
These kids aren't gonna be 19 forever.
They are more than likely well connected and have money to toss around. Frats like this don't let small fry kids in.
These kids probably have racist parent also.. they well continue to grow up with these same views..only they will more than likely impose there views on a wide audience.
You kill the cancer before it spreads


[*]It's incredibly obvious at this point that the media is intentionally manufacturing outrage over stories like this. Contrast the media outrage over this story with the silence over the mass rape of 1500 children by Muslim gangs in Rotherham. This is progressive logic: white men saying nigger on a bus is worse than Muslims raping 1500 children with the complicity of police.
You are stretching at two widely different stories.
You are right.. in the context..But the whole muslin this/that argument is getting played out.
Dont forget American history..Where white people hanged,killed, burned black people and threw parties and picnics to go watch.
White Americans took joy in dismembering blacks and sending the post cards to their family and friends.
Don't pretend like the media hasn't covered up multiple race crimes like hangings.. In THIS decade.

[*]Black fraternities regularly beat the shit out of their pledges and brand them with hot irons. The media never says a peep about this.
Black Frats DO NOT regularly beat their pledges. There are usually forms of hazing in all frats.
There are cases of both white and black fraternities having hazing allegations.. all the way up to hospitalization and death.
One notable case of this Is the FamU Marching band. Clearly.. that hasnt been covered up.. because you are aware of it.
Are you also aware they multiple members of the bang were charged and convicted with felonies?
Their crimes did not go unpunished

[*]This story is yet another fusillade in the SJW/progressive war on white fraternities. Again, ask yourself why the fuck the drunken singing of 19 year olds on a private bus ride is a story of national significance? The reason is because it serves the progressive agenda and furthers their interest of weakening and eventually banning white fraternities entirely.
Here you are simply finding a way to link SJW to this so that you can pass the blame to someone us.
These boys aren't just singing a song for shits and giggles.
Thats how they feel...They are racist.. there is no beating around that.




ITs amazing how many of you are letting this by and saying that its just a bunch of drunk kids having fun.
Just like.. a bunch of drunk sports fans can flip cars and start fires also...But if blacks in Ferguson do it.. its the beginning of a war.

I said already.. Im interested in how this thread will come out.
Im sure Tuth is in the background grubbing on popcorn right now.
 

KorbenDallas

Pelican
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I wouldn't. I grew up with blacks who joked about whitey. I have never screamed racism in my life unless it was to make a rhetorical point like in this thread.
 

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Crow
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KorbenDallas said:
If a black fraternity was taped saying white men should be hanged there would be zero repercussions.

Nah dude, I'm sure you'll raise hell over the issue until they get expelled, jailed, or worse.
 

Sourcecode

Crow
Gold Member
KorbenDallas said:
If a black fraternity was taped saying white men should be hanged there would be zero repercussions.

When did this happen? It hasn't
Its a hypothetical idea you thought up in your ignorant head as a way to pass the blame to someone else.
Goldin Boy said:
If there was proof they were actively discriminating/barring other ethnicities from membership then I'd think the punishment was ok. But this is just another example of how you can do something while not technically illegally but this still be convicted in the court of public opinion.

Some of you here are clearly racist..Some of you here may just be ignorant.
But clearly you are not aware of the history of this country.
The words they say.. imply..that they would discriminate.

These boys didn't just think of this song spur of the moment. This song didn't just pop up as a joke.
They learned this from somewhere..They already harbored these feelings.
Its probably not the first time they have said things like this. This isn't an isolated case.
ITs like you are trying to say that racism doesn't exist.
 

Geomann180

Ostrich
Catholic
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What makes me sick the most in these threads, is that we're all buddy buddy when we're talking about getting pussy or deriding some lunatic feminist.

But as soon as the conversation turns to race, we're at each others throats...

Right where the powers at be want us.

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Sourcecode

Crow
Gold Member
When Black Americans see a video like this.
They don't think.."haha a couple drunk college kids are acting stupid"

* I'm going completely to the right here.

When Black Americans see videos and here songs like this.
It drums ups the past images like
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Yes..This isn't happening in America...But the ideologies haven't just died out.
They keep getting passed down until you have college kids about to join the work force joking about hanging niggers from trees.
As far as I know.. my calendar says 2015

Clearly..not everyone wants to step into the times though
 

Avon Barksdale

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Geomann180 said:
What makes me sick the most in these threads, is that we're all buddy buddy when we're talking about getting pussy or deriding some lunatic feminist.

But as soon as the conversation turns to race, we're at each others throats...

Right where the powers at be want us.

G



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Sourcecode

Crow
Gold Member
Avon Barksdale said:
Geomann180 said:
What makes me sick the most in these threads, is that we're all buddy buddy when we're talking about getting pussy or deriding some lunatic feminist.

But as soon as the conversation turns to race, we're at each others throats...

Right where the powers at be want us.

G



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Yea.. we are all cool, because everyone can sit behind their computer desk.
There is no threat to one another.
Bu In person..In some places, in some situations... Different races,clearly feel threatened by one another
 

Steve Evets

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Geomann180 said:
What makes me sick the most in these threads, is that we're all buddy buddy when we're talking about getting pussy or deriding some lunatic feminist.

But as soon as the conversation turns to race, we're at each others throats...

Right where the powers at be want us.

G

I don't really see this as a divide and conquer sort of thing. Everyone here agrees that what these kids said was wrong. What isn't agreed upon is what consequences are merited, and from that has been a healthy discussion, although it might spiral if people start to succumb to emotion. Most people are not going to change their views, so the best we can really do is to put them out there, and rationally poke holes in what is said. As long as that continues there should be no issues.
 

Geomann180

Ostrich
Catholic
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^I'm not talking about this thread in particular, but rather discussion on race on the forum in general.

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Jevioso

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You have to take a step out of whatever political or racial perspective you have, to see that this is now normal and no one is actually being exploited here, more than should be expected.

What Social Media has done, has for the most part spread the standard of politicians and celebrities to regular people. You can become famous off twerking on youtube, and have millions of fans, just like a celebrity who acts in a 100 million dollar movie. And yet, just like a celebrity, a bad moment in public can destroy your entire reputation. All we're seeing is cause and effect of the mini-celebrity culture which is in a golden age. This is why your boss can fire you for what you do online, even they are in on it as well.

The Mainstream Media, as much as we like to accuse it of exploiting people, is simply exploiting what already is exploited by the consumer; in other words this story was already going viral on twitter. The Mainstream media simply covered it, because if it doesn't, it loses the illusion of authority it has on what is actually news. Is it racial, is it divisive: hell yeah! But in an age of distractions, how else do you get people's attention but by giving them something strong to react to? Tell them the truth? Ha! Come on now, we're all better than that.

I personally do not care about racist words or language, this is what progressives like to focus on, rather than deal with the problem that has always been associated with racism since America's inception: people using the power of government (state, federal, local) to deny people their individual rights protected under the constitution, due to their race. That's the only form of racism that matters, everything else is mostly irrelevant and is nothing more than activism as a form of entertainment.
 

DrewP

 
Banned
Even though I've been on the "these kids deserve what they get" side of this argument, I will say this:

The protests being held in response to this incident are completely ludicrous. A protest is supposed to be a way of expressing displeasure to people in a position of power to encourage policy change. What exactly is it that these people are protesting? That bigoted dickheads exist? I can't imagine that the protesters here have any actionable demands. Seems to me they just want a pat on the head for being the right kind of white people.
 

Brosemite

Ostrich
Gold Member
Cattle Rustler said:
The same members who say "it was a joke" would be the same ones screaming "racism!" if I were to say "lets hang all white men tomorrow".... when saying such phrase in a joking manner.

I'm pretty sure there would be repercussions if there were news of a group jokingly mentioning the thought of carrying out a terrorist threat (even without the intent of doing so) in a private formal setting.

The probability of this chapter following through on this joke is extremely low, but the video has been leaked on a public level & nothing can change that.

The university therefore has no other choice but to do some damage control not; this isn't for the sake of pandering to SJWs, but to maintain the university's image, enrollment numbers, reputation in the research world, and prestige of their athletic programs (particularly the revenue generating ones with boosters & other sponsors involved). Imagine how much money & opportunities the institution would lose if they didn't take any action at all.

samsamsam said:
I don't have a horse in this race, I just thought it was interesting news.

No one here so far seems to think it was a dumb idea to sing that song, I find that interesting.

Based on your time in the forum, you really didn't think posting this story would've triggered different opinions & a devil's advocate view on this issue?
 
I have no issue with the University severing ties with the frat as an organization. These guys were idiots, and they deserve to have the charter revoked. Not the kind of guys I'd want to associate with either.

What I take issue with, is that the University is instantly evicting every single resident of the house out onto the streets with no remorse. Landlords can't even legally pull that shit with the worst of tennants.

What about the guys who weren't singing? What about the guys who weren't even there? If the justification is "Well they probably think the same way, so they deserve it..." then we're getting dangerously close to Orwellian Thought Police, and the same kind of justification hate groups use to paint entire groups with a broad brush.

Seems like the school president is trying to flex some SJW cred, and taking things way too far.

I don't feel bad at all the frat, but the precedent being set here is a dangerous slippery slope.
 
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