Older Guys: Does Today's Music Annoy You?
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El Chinito loco said:
Not really. Bands like this are pretty deep underground, the big indie rock publications like Pitchfork ignore this kind of music in favor of synthpop and hip hop. But there are other artists like Turnover, Infinity Girl, and Teenage Wrist who have a similar sound.
I haven't seen this mentioned yet but I can't seem to escape that awful latino rap music where every song has the exact same stupid beat.
BlackLeftLeft
Sparrow
Born in 1977. Literally grew up with Sugar Hill, Kurtis Blow, vinyl as "toys". Weird kid that used to sit around listening to that instead of watching cartoons. Later cratedigger/producer guy, worked in the industry, etc,etc. I'm THAT guy.
I don't even listen to Hip-Hop anymore and haven't for a few years.
Last album I actually downloaded was Future's "Purple Reign". I think there's a whole wave of guys that sound just like him. I don't even know enough anymore to know who's biting who and who started what. These guys can't spit.
It's audio fast food.
I put Hip-Hop on a pedestal my whole life and now have to realize that maybe it was a huge waste of time and a net negative for the Black community and the world as a whole.
This year I've only listened to instrumental music I've never heard before. Listening to the same albums over and over now seems weird. I wasted hours and hours skimming through vinyl looking for samples. Should have been learning to play something instead.
I don't even listen to Hip-Hop anymore and haven't for a few years.
Last album I actually downloaded was Future's "Purple Reign". I think there's a whole wave of guys that sound just like him. I don't even know enough anymore to know who's biting who and who started what. These guys can't spit.
It's audio fast food.
I put Hip-Hop on a pedestal my whole life and now have to realize that maybe it was a huge waste of time and a net negative for the Black community and the world as a whole.
This year I've only listened to instrumental music I've never heard before. Listening to the same albums over and over now seems weird. I wasted hours and hours skimming through vinyl looking for samples. Should have been learning to play something instead.
I love all music.
When you start being inflexible enough to see the value of modern music, that means you are officially "old".
Not passing judgment, this is just my opinion. Good or bad, like it or not, I worship all music. Could be a aborigine banging two sticks together.
I will give money to anybody on the street if they are playing real music.
When you start being inflexible enough to see the value of modern music, that means you are officially "old".
Not passing judgment, this is just my opinion. Good or bad, like it or not, I worship all music. Could be a aborigine banging two sticks together.
I will give money to anybody on the street if they are playing real music.
ShotgunUppercuts
Kingfisher
Im only annoyed from what i hear on the radio and the state im in its either country or pop and its fucking depressing.
As far as hip hop i bump alot of underground shit. If you want modern quality (lyrical) rap then thats the way to go and im thoroughly enjoying it.
As far as hip hop i bump alot of underground shit. If you want modern quality (lyrical) rap then thats the way to go and im thoroughly enjoying it.
Chiosboy90
Woodpecker
Since Im in a relationship for quit some time, I didnt had to listen to awful 0815 NPC music that you have to endure when you go out at night for chasing women.
But I remember the last time I went out with a group of people I dont really like, but they were basically my "proxy group" to approach women cause I simply can't go out alone. Anyway. Some new cute German chick joined our group as she was a friend of someone and when I spotted her playing on her phone looking bored, I sat next to her and asked: "Show me what kind of music you listen".
She opened her youtube history and voila: Some native german Hip Hop with a refrain more or less like: "Yeah, oh, let's go fuck those bitches nigger" (sorry my language but its 1:1 the song). I told her what's the point of music like that? She annoyed went back to her friend.
I'm lucky I don't have to go out anymore and did "my time" but now since I have a daughter on the way, if I would ever come home and hear her play some "black culture hip hop" music out of her room, I would smash her iPod into oblivion.
But I remember the last time I went out with a group of people I dont really like, but they were basically my "proxy group" to approach women cause I simply can't go out alone. Anyway. Some new cute German chick joined our group as she was a friend of someone and when I spotted her playing on her phone looking bored, I sat next to her and asked: "Show me what kind of music you listen".
She opened her youtube history and voila: Some native german Hip Hop with a refrain more or less like: "Yeah, oh, let's go fuck those bitches nigger" (sorry my language but its 1:1 the song). I told her what's the point of music like that? She annoyed went back to her friend.
I'm lucky I don't have to go out anymore and did "my time" but now since I have a daughter on the way, if I would ever come home and hear her play some "black culture hip hop" music out of her room, I would smash her iPod into oblivion.
Going to concerts and buying cds used to be a central focus of my life all throughout my 20s and early 30s. I also play multiple instruments. My ex was a high level sound engineer so I also got a decent view of the inside of the industry.
Always hated rap. Found it absolutely repulsive on all levels, and totally unlistenable. Really like blues and jazz though, so it can't just be a revulsion to American Black subculture.
Anyway...
Into my late 30s I find nearly all music to be so trite and ridiculous that I pretty much cling to classical and jazz, with a few of my old rock favorites from childhood thrown in (still like Dylan, the Stones, Kinks, Bowie, Zep, The Cure, even newish stuff like White Stripes, Oasis, Ryan Adams, Libertines, Arctic Monkeys, Laura Marling... just much less than before).
I have a younger girlfriend and she always has youtube random playlists on. And they consist mostly of indie bands. Now, most of these indie bands are capable musicians, and the tunes are reasonably catchy and novel enough in their mixes/arrangements. Yet... I just can't get into it. Seems so stupid and such a waste of time.
The rock star/rap celebs people look like clownish fools playing at being a "star", and it's really hard to respect that (for instance, I liked Bowie/Cure despite the retard makeup). Yet, these indie people are the worst kind of extreme opposite -- totally boring, annoying, super soy, super fey, dolts. They remind me of the loser kids who drag-ass through a fast food job their parents forced them into and how they think they are so above it all and so talented when they play a local show, yet what they do just doesn't distinguish them from a hobbyist who has a few years practice. Their songwriting/storytelling SUCKS, and they have little presence.
So yeah, I can relate to OP. I really have no time or care for modern music or modern musicians. Not just the satanic music industry stars, but even the local bands are really annoying and repulsive to me. Going to a pub with "live music" is an absolute punishment and I avoid it.
I'd rather go to a music school and listen to the kids (who are almost ready to graduate) play some classical recitals.
One weird thing I noticed is that I suddenly developed this massive appreciation for the Beach Boys mid period stuff. I used to enjoy their singles but never held them up like the other 60s rock bands. Now I think Pet Sounds and Smile Sessions may be some of the most enjoyable and beautiful music ever made. I listen to those constantly.
I think a part of all this is just getting older and getting current cultural fatigue.
Always hated rap. Found it absolutely repulsive on all levels, and totally unlistenable. Really like blues and jazz though, so it can't just be a revulsion to American Black subculture.
Anyway...
Into my late 30s I find nearly all music to be so trite and ridiculous that I pretty much cling to classical and jazz, with a few of my old rock favorites from childhood thrown in (still like Dylan, the Stones, Kinks, Bowie, Zep, The Cure, even newish stuff like White Stripes, Oasis, Ryan Adams, Libertines, Arctic Monkeys, Laura Marling... just much less than before).
I have a younger girlfriend and she always has youtube random playlists on. And they consist mostly of indie bands. Now, most of these indie bands are capable musicians, and the tunes are reasonably catchy and novel enough in their mixes/arrangements. Yet... I just can't get into it. Seems so stupid and such a waste of time.
The rock star/rap celebs people look like clownish fools playing at being a "star", and it's really hard to respect that (for instance, I liked Bowie/Cure despite the retard makeup). Yet, these indie people are the worst kind of extreme opposite -- totally boring, annoying, super soy, super fey, dolts. They remind me of the loser kids who drag-ass through a fast food job their parents forced them into and how they think they are so above it all and so talented when they play a local show, yet what they do just doesn't distinguish them from a hobbyist who has a few years practice. Their songwriting/storytelling SUCKS, and they have little presence.
So yeah, I can relate to OP. I really have no time or care for modern music or modern musicians. Not just the satanic music industry stars, but even the local bands are really annoying and repulsive to me. Going to a pub with "live music" is an absolute punishment and I avoid it.
I'd rather go to a music school and listen to the kids (who are almost ready to graduate) play some classical recitals.
One weird thing I noticed is that I suddenly developed this massive appreciation for the Beach Boys mid period stuff. I used to enjoy their singles but never held them up like the other 60s rock bands. Now I think Pet Sounds and Smile Sessions may be some of the most enjoyable and beautiful music ever made. I listen to those constantly.
I think a part of all this is just getting older and getting current cultural fatigue.
When I got to Turkey I did what I usually never do ... turn on the TV. As the thing is dangling over the bed it was to hard not to do. On one of the music channels there was the worst Illuminati mind control music I've ever seen by a tragic girl called Billie Elllish being drug round like a piece of trash and being stuffed with injections. Now the TV is unplugged.
It's been over two years since I've watched any TV/films unless I was on a plane or ill. Virtually everything has strong degenerative qualities if it's not openly satanic now. There is no potitivity without being vapid and left-wing. But they're mostly festivals of cheating, whoring, death, decadence and depression. Note that it's only after the left has taken virtually complete hold of media that this level of decay has become the staple.
I've been unplugged from the mainstream of what passes for culture for more than half a lifetime. I know most of the names like Lady GaGa and Kendrick Lamar. But I don't know any of their songs and if I'm lucky I don't even know what they look like.
When I was young the music had become largely meaningless - this was the 90s. The themes were mostly feel good and hedonist, but at the same time a lot of it was pretty innocent.
When I was a bit older there was a resurgence of popularity in rock music, specifically nu-metal, which was highly manufactured and full of bad leads to live your life by. All the people I knew who went into the rock music subculture and stayed there have ruined their lives.
I think what's happened is that at some point in the last ten years is a lot of the cultural motifs of the fake underground of rock music has been appropriated by the mainstream and made more vapid.
When I was young the culture was very fun and pleasure seeking oriented. It was very conformist and jock-like. People all worse the same sports brands like Nike, Adidas and then Kappa. As they got older they moved into cheap brand clothing for the clubs like Ben Sherman and Ellese.
The rock counter to this was very much about being an individual, while just conforming to different codes of dress, music taste and behaviour.
The mainstream has gobbled this up and made it more depressing and vapid. It's gravitated heavily to a faux individualism, mixed with all the self-hatred and depression of much rock music. The individualism seems to revolve around making yourself different and showing your pain and dysfunction. The new conformism is pretending to be different with little accouterments that have no meaning.
It's been over two years since I've watched any TV/films unless I was on a plane or ill. Virtually everything has strong degenerative qualities if it's not openly satanic now. There is no potitivity without being vapid and left-wing. But they're mostly festivals of cheating, whoring, death, decadence and depression. Note that it's only after the left has taken virtually complete hold of media that this level of decay has become the staple.
I've been unplugged from the mainstream of what passes for culture for more than half a lifetime. I know most of the names like Lady GaGa and Kendrick Lamar. But I don't know any of their songs and if I'm lucky I don't even know what they look like.
When I was young the music had become largely meaningless - this was the 90s. The themes were mostly feel good and hedonist, but at the same time a lot of it was pretty innocent.
When I was a bit older there was a resurgence of popularity in rock music, specifically nu-metal, which was highly manufactured and full of bad leads to live your life by. All the people I knew who went into the rock music subculture and stayed there have ruined their lives.
I think what's happened is that at some point in the last ten years is a lot of the cultural motifs of the fake underground of rock music has been appropriated by the mainstream and made more vapid.
When I was young the culture was very fun and pleasure seeking oriented. It was very conformist and jock-like. People all worse the same sports brands like Nike, Adidas and then Kappa. As they got older they moved into cheap brand clothing for the clubs like Ben Sherman and Ellese.
The rock counter to this was very much about being an individual, while just conforming to different codes of dress, music taste and behaviour.
The mainstream has gobbled this up and made it more depressing and vapid. It's gravitated heavily to a faux individualism, mixed with all the self-hatred and depression of much rock music. The individualism seems to revolve around making yourself different and showing your pain and dysfunction. The new conformism is pretending to be different with little accouterments that have no meaning.
I have to somewhat rescind my last post, the musical talent migrated to other genres or is now paired within certain artforms which are enjoying their creative zenieth. I think certain artforms do have a highly growing era where the structures are very freeform and where real creatives end up getting drawn towards, for this generation I'm pretty sure its memetic warfare (a combination of so many different things). Whatever that generation needs to get its angst or hopes/regrets out, it'll be seen in real grassroots arts, which is why memes are art they are expressing something too real for the corporate media to allow be seen, they're saying the things nobody else can articulate if you went about in a structured way about it.
Anyway...
There is some fantastic melodic music being made in videogames (in particular has been excellent for many years since the 90's) and Film/TV world, retrowave scene (FM-84 for example). That's where all my listening is these days. Its so very niche, but it shouldn't be.
A real antidote to the misery of the world:
These could have been a party hit if had been released as a single:
Bear McCreary:
Anyway...
There is some fantastic melodic music being made in videogames (in particular has been excellent for many years since the 90's) and Film/TV world, retrowave scene (FM-84 for example). That's where all my listening is these days. Its so very niche, but it shouldn't be.
A real antidote to the misery of the world:
These could have been a party hit if had been released as a single:
Bear McCreary:
Final Fantasy and Metal Gear carrying the flag for music in gaming back in the 90's to prove my point, graphics actually have least effect in creating atmosphere in my experience:
There is so much out here in the gaming soundscape its an embarassment of riches, I can't say that about many other areas of modern media, it isn't forced to play to a market listenership or to booty ultimately and its better for it. There is so much free experimentation and little to none oversight. I haven't played some of the above in the previous post and I probably never will, but their music is great even outside the game, that's the sign of great music.
There is so much out here in the gaming soundscape its an embarassment of riches, I can't say that about many other areas of modern media, it isn't forced to play to a market listenership or to booty ultimately and its better for it. There is so much free experimentation and little to none oversight. I haven't played some of the above in the previous post and I probably never will, but their music is great even outside the game, that's the sign of great music.
mr-ed209 said:
Even then, though, manufactured pop stars with ghost-writers and studio musicians were better back in the day.
A big difference then vs. now, beyond the music itself, is the lyrics are too "on the nose". This is true not just of music but entertainment in general. On the nose means direct, graphic. What you see is what you get. Sexuality in classic rock is almost all innuendo. Innuendo is a base form of poetry. Smack your bitch up type lyrics is prose. Similarly, in the visual arts, graphic violence and nudity is prose vs. expressionistic violence off-camera and in the shadows.
So I think that's the big cultural difference. When I was going through puberty the Duran Duran Girls on Film video was dangerous because it was graphic (for the time). Or Hot for Teacher. But it was because that stuff was still a novelty that it had impact. Once everything is at the level of softcore porn it becomes the new normal and hence meaningless.
I am also sick and tired of Millenial Whoops.
I mean, sure, songs often have singalong choruses, but the Whoops have devolved it to preschool levels of simplicity.
Luckily, it is easy to avoid trite shite music.
Simply search out musicians using actual instruments to a high degree of talent.
You certainly are not going to get 8+ minute epics / opuses out of the pop-tarts :
Mastodon - The Last Baron
Opeth - Porcelain Heart
Simply search out musicians using actual instruments to a high degree of talent.
You certainly are not going to get 8+ minute epics / opuses out of the pop-tarts :
Mastodon - The Last Baron
Opeth - Porcelain Heart
Film as an art form is done. Architecture is shit. Popular music is done, compared to its heights in the 60s-80s. Literature, poetry, visual arts are in a dark age. What little creativity there is, the energy of young people, is in video games. I do admit that it's art of a kind, some very good, and some of the music is excellent. But overall the arts are in a bad place in the 21st century.
The only popular contemporary music I like is electronic dance by European DJs. I feel like it is devoid of the degenerate influences mostly and that it's not overproduced, template crap, written by the same 4 swedes in LA. Kygo, Avicii, David Guetta, Swedish House Mafia etc. Gets me in a good mood. Reminds me of evenings spent in tropical nightclubs, which makes me happy. Easy going music, made to dance and be happy, not push some agenda.
If I want to listen to music on my own, I'd never listen to pop. I have begun getting into classical a little bit. It's great to listen to under the influence, some tracks have an almost "mental orgasmic" quality to them, where different instruments pop in and out of the tune and there's crescendos and various themes, there's nothing that gets close to it in terms of depth. Reminds me of 60s rock. I still dislike most classical, still find it pompous and lacking repetition.
If I want to listen to music on my own, I'd never listen to pop. I have begun getting into classical a little bit. It's great to listen to under the influence, some tracks have an almost "mental orgasmic" quality to them, where different instruments pop in and out of the tune and there's crescendos and various themes, there's nothing that gets close to it in terms of depth. Reminds me of 60s rock. I still dislike most classical, still find it pompous and lacking repetition.
Classical music "lacks repetition" because the music you're used to is full of simplistic, lowest-common- denominator repetition. What classical music has instead, is "development". It reminds you of some of the more sophisticated 60s music, because that music was a shadow of classical music. Keep listening.
RawGod said:
Classical music often does have repetition. But what it has that modern music lacks is DYNAMICS. There's a reason why Stairway to Heaven has the reputation it does (or its derivative, Bohemian Rhapsody). Because it has dynamics which is the essence of a story, a beginning, middle, (climax) and end. Dynamics alone can carry you along despite constant repeition, as Ravel proved.
Modern music has succumbed to the loudness wars, part of the overal cultural trend of MORE IS MORE which results in the law of diminishing returns.
Grunge was the last genre that had actual dynamics, albeit extreme loud and quiet with abrupt transitions.
I kind of agree with you about dynamics (although medieval and baroque music kind of lack it, the general point still stands), but my 13 year old self that is still alive in me somewhere just went 'no, no, no' when you mentioned grunge and provided SP as an example.
Here's the real deal, from Seattle and everything:
Here's the real deal, from Seattle and everything:
It's endlessly irritating that virtually everywhere you go they're blasting the lowest common denominator of music right into your ears.
But there's still some killing music out there today from uber talented artists if you look hard enough.
But there's still some killing music out there today from uber talented artists if you look hard enough.
Salinger said:
Oh, no, there is no conflict at all. Pardon me for painting a bleak picture.
She loves 90% of the same music as me. She can't handle 4 straight hours of Bach solo cello or late-period Coltrane, but for one album -- if I choose it -- we are on the same page.
She just has far lower standards on what constitutes music, and so will allow a ton more in to her purview.
We live together, so music isn't an issue. I will tolerate music I don't love, just like she will, if it's within an acceptable threshold.
For instance, in front of me, she plays no rap/hip hop, period. Even though she likes some of it, that stays headphones/solo time only.
On my side, I keep the most intense improv jazz to my personal listens. Or Dylan albums, she can't handle more than a few Dylan songs in a row.
So we just pick a handful of CDs (if in the car) or records (at home) that we are in the mood for that day, and then narrow it down from there.
I can't stand the radio, so I ask her not to play it when I am in the car. She, however, is content to let the radio play when by herself. But generally the music she likes is decent, it's just not something I would choose to listen to always with my very limited time on earth.
Also, there are the few times when she has introduced me to a new song/band I did enjoy, so that is worth it.
My taste (in hating most live, local music) means I decline going to concerts with her most times. But actually, for 2/4 birthdays that we have been dating, she has gotten us concert tickets for my birthday (meaning she bought tix to artists I like, for us both to go).