Older Men, Younger Women, Requirements for Marriage, Etc.

[analyst_green]

it's even hard by late 20s when you are around all the career women

It's not like it's much easier if you're a younger man in your early to mid twenties. Because Western women at that age aren't interested in marriage. Also because our culture destroys young men with leftist brainwashing, junk food, porn, etc. and most of us behave like adult children until later in life. Most modern men lack the maturity for marriage until at least late 20s.

Then as women get older they are interested in marriage, not because their values changed but because they see the clock ticking. And guys like us don't want women who have slept around and not repented. The system is set up to screw us over and maximize unhappiness for both sexes.

 

[Ah_Tibor]

People forget frequently that we are talking about marriage. This is another thing women, who aren't very good at analyzing, confound. That we "date" you means ... actually nothing big picture. Even though they might think it would, or should.

Yeah, at the end of the day pretty much all it requires two people who want to be married to each other and are willing to put the work in.

Marriage among millenials is considered a "leveling up" of an existing relationship.

Nobody really gives any practical advice to teens about marriage, and there's a sense of "just enjoy yourself!" when enjoyment typically comes later, after you've worked for something, not during.

 

[Blade Runner]

Heh, I was on the female end of this for years. I think I had a really bad concept of dating because everyone was trying to set me up with their son/grandson/godson/nephew/accountant/seminarian/whatever (combined with me being a teenage girl with family problems and emotional issues), and their criteria is basically "he has a job and is alive"

Just do church social stuff and make friends. It's a really good vetting process, you get to know people outside of dates, etc. Not trying to be unnecessarily optimistic, but there you go LOL

Supporting the fact that everyone always brings the buffet to women, which also means there are also very few that are attractive (sounds like you are, at the very least for America and/or thin unlike the vast majority). Everyone is chasing the 1-2%, since usually young women are off limits and there are so few thin ones left.

I keep asking myself if you actually doubt that there are 1000s more guys that are attractive for marriage than women in the west. If that isn't the case, why are marriages taking place so late, and europeans not having children? Men can't have children without women, just to remind you.

 

[Ah_Tibor]

Supporting the fact that everyone always brings the buffet to women,

If you mean buffet as in "there are only crab rangoons and something in a 9th pan that will give you e. coli," then sure.

I keep asking myself if you actually doubt that there are 1000s more guys that are attractive for marriage than women in the west. If that isn't the case, why are marriages taking place so late, and europeans not having children? Men can't have children without women, just to remind you.

I don't know. I think it's a propaganda/depop scheme to demoralize people against lasting bonds and family formation-- on a more spiritual plane, rebellion against God.

On a day to day basis, a lot of people are fearful about the future and don't WANT to reproduce-- reproduce what?

 

[infowarrior1]

My own experience and perspective lends to believing that a 5-10 year gap makes the most "natural sense."

Similar-age pairing makes sense within systems that make sure young men grow up and mature quickly (so I can see how this could be an Orthodox teaching, because their teachings are not based on what humans tend to do when left to their own devices).

And there are simply very few advantageous pairings to be found in the modern system that pushes women to grow up really fast so they can become men, and encourages men to languish in extended childhood.

Can't have that without Men having been through an apprenticeship at their job in their teens which involving being in the workforce rather than the entirely artificial environment of public school.

 

[Blade Runner]

I don't know. I think it's a propaganda/depop scheme to demoralize people against lasting bonds and family formation-- on a more spiritual plane, rebellion against God.

Yes it is, the pill gave way to abortion and illusion,delusion/control of women. That British woman had it right, the pill was the first effective ploy of the transhumanist movement. These, and other changes in the society, led women to not have children, trade time for "fun", chase careers, and then get thrown under the bus. Mission accomplished.

Can't have that without Men having been through an apprenticeship at their job in their teens which involving being in the workforce rather than the entirely artificial environment of public school.

Which favors women, but doesn't teach anyone anything meaningful - in fact quite the opposite.

I was blessed to hear Elder Athanasios (Mitilinaios) talk about how marriage is a skema (a form, outline) of something that is meaningful here, but is worldly ultimately and will pass away (evidence of this is when the pharisees try to fool Christ with the trick/teaser of the 7 brothers dying and whose wife is it). The sad part is that having children is a normal and healthy part of life, and it's hard for us to conceive of the parts of "true life" that are much more meaningful than what we think of family, which also can inhibit our yearning for true life. It's a great mystery, and something that I think even those of us without family hope will remain (family connections) but will likely pass away in the new creation/regeneration of this "age". It actually makes more sense that they do, as the biological generation was a skema in itself, in order to have some order and generations in the world, but for another, more distant and genuine purpose.

 

[Road2Damascus]

Well-known Orthodox figure Church of the Eternal Logos creator David Patrick Harry's girlfriend is 22 years old. He's 34. 12 year age gap.

Parents and everyone involved are happy with it - they prefer it this way and are encouraging it for reasons that are obvious to many. I would certainly be very supportive of my daughter marrying a successful Christian man like him with his head on his shoulders. When and if I have a daughter 18-22, I do NOT prefer her marrying a younger man. Late 20s minimum and ideally someone mid 30s.

I'm 34. 6ft. Athletic build. Good-looking. Make a quarter million a year. No kids. No health issues. No criminal record. Loads of practical life experience. Im easily in the top 10% of men. I didn't really feel like I had become a man and grounded in myself until I was 30, and that wasn't for lack of trying. It just naturally unfolded that way. My father and many of my friends also have the same sentiment.

I'm not going to settle for an older woman or career-centered woman, and certainly not someone overweight, with a bunch of tattoos, high body count, mouth like a sailor, a 'masculine/aggressive' attitude, etc. I want maximized feminine qualities. If you don't know what those are or you find it offensive to express them, you're part of the problem! Men and women have different roles!

I'm not writing this to be mean or bigoted or prideful or anything negative. This type of talk should be inspiring and humbling. People nowadays especially need to constantly be reminded of this reality with how corrupted the dating market is, and both men and women are to blame for perpetuating the state of the current dating market, but men as leaders need to step up and stop letting these bad ideas fester in favor of simping/lust.

Women will change their behavior if men have clearly defined preferences and work towards being worthy of them. If you want a patriarchy, act like a patriarch. If you want a brothel, act accordingly. We reap what we sow. Men try as best as you can to mirror Jesus. Women try your best to mirror Mary. These are our icons. Stop looking at celebrities as role models.

My wife doesn't need to work - I want her to focus on child-rearing and homemaking - and she should also want this otherwise we won't be in a relationship. I want an extremely feminine woman willing to submit to me. This isn't up for debate. She will know all this from the beginning. These are hard lines. It's not a matter of me being controlling - she is going to WANT this life or not. It's a prerequisite. Nothing will be forced.

Men in my percentile that are in their peak sexual market value prime are going to get females in their prime also and we can be very picky about our standards.

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Regarding the bold. I agree with your general sentiment and don't take this as derogatory by any means but the truth on the ground is very different. I keep hearing the peak sexual value for men at 35 quote and even a friend of mine repeated this recently, but it comes from a manosphere chart that was closer to marketing than any semblance of modern reality. It may have even been a psyop to prevent men from settling down. Why was all that stuff allowed to become mainstream? It was effective by the rulers.
I rarely see age gaps even in religious communities and I would like a real analysis of the said 35 or plus men with attractive 20 to 25 religious females. My best guess is it's 2% or less of couples in the united states.

The only place I see significant age gaps are in secular sugaring relationships or celebrities like Leonardo Dicaprio. I don't remember the poster here, but a woman on this very forum even claimed Leo was ugly. That is the level of arrogance and delusion that western females are living in, when you have a random woman thinking this.

Another exemption is Latina women, where 7 to 15 year age gaps I have seen first hand. Would I call them conservative or pious? No I would not but they are quite pretty and a massive step up from what most men date.

Now my own experience. I can make an online dating account and match with girls 7 or 8 years younger, but they are usually average or slightly above or below average in looks. I was talking with an Orthodox girl 7 years younger but the conversation died. There are 30s Orthodox women which I am skeptical of. I do get many aforementioned 'liberal' younger women who clearly just want to.fornicate.

 

[Blade Runner]

It's not delusional or a psyop, it's objective reality. If you haven't noticed, objective reality doesn't mean much in clown world, which of course is the explanation of why you don't "see things working out that way on the ground."

Remember, women control sex and reproduction, men control relationships and marriage.

 

[Starlight]

Regarding the bold. I agree with your general sentiment and don't take this as derogatory by any means but the truth on the ground is very different. I keep hearing the peak sexual value for men at 35 quote and even a friend of mine repeated this recently, but it comes from a manosphere chart that was closer to marketing than any semblance of modern reality. It may have even been a psyop to prevent men from settling down. Why was all that stuff allowed to become mainstream? It was effective by the rulers.
I rarely see age gaps even in religious communities and I would like a real analysis of the said 35 or plus men with attractive 20 to 25 religious females. My best guess is it's 2% or less of couples in the united states.

The only place I see significant age gaps are in secular sugaring relationships or celebrities like Leonardo Dicaprio. I don't remember the poster here, but a woman on this very forum even claimed Leo was ugly. That is the level of arrogance and delusion that western females are living in, when you have a random woman thinking this.

Another exemption is Latina women, where 7 to 15 year age gaps I have seen first hand. Would I call them conservative or pious? No I would not but they are quite pretty and a massive step up from what most men date.

Now my own experience. I can make an online dating account and match with girls 7 or 8 years younger, but they are usually average or slightly above or below average in looks. I was talking with an Orthodox girl 7 years younger but the conversation died. There are 30s Orthodox women which I am skeptical of. I do get many aforementioned 'liberal' younger women who clearly just want to.fornicate.

The truth is that in Christian European countries, historically (with the proof being the Christian Church’s marriage records) is that the average age of marriage for a woman was 21 and the average for a man was 23… and that is going back into the Renaissance era (which is when TPTB of that time began recording “common” marriages… not just royal/politically arranged marriages).

You are selling yourselves short, big time, if you think that your “maximum value” is at 35… Talk like that holds men back. I agree with @Ah_Tibor that it *must* be a psyop. Telling men to wait until they are 35 to find someone because they should wait until their “peak” is exactly the same psyop that tells women to “find themselves” until they are 35… Wow… quite a cohencidence of manipulation and marketing.

 

[Starlight]

It's not delusional or a psyop, it's objective reality. If you haven't noticed, objective reality doesn't mean much in clown world, which of course is the explanation of why you don't "see things working out that way on the ground."

Remember, women control sex and reproduction, men control relationships and marriage.

It’s probably a good thing that there isn’t an *eyeroll* emoji.

 

[Ah_Tibor]

The truth is that in Christian European countries, historically (with the proof being the Christian Church’s marriage records) is that the average age of marriage for a woman was 21 and the average for a man was 23… and that is going back into the Renaissance era (which is when TPTB of that time began recording “common” marriages… not just royal/politically arranged marriages).

The marriage age dropped after WWII and tends to do so around times of social upheaval, but it remains pretty stable otherwise. It's also culturally dependent (people in Eastern and Southern Europe tended to get married slightly younger than Western and Northern Europe, for example, I could go into some stuff about the "Hajnal Line" theory being sort of garbage but I derail enough topics already).

 

[Ah_Tibor]

I don't remember the poster here, but a woman on this very forum even claimed Leo was ugly.

LOL, that was probably me

 

[Blade Runner]

It’s probably a good thing that there isn’t an *eyeroll* emoji.

There is.

The idea that a man's looks are anywhere near clout, status, power, resources, etc. is another modern female clown world suggestion (ie, the west and all the spoiled, propagandized women).

 

[Road2Damascus]

It's not delusional or a psyop, it's objective reality. If you haven't noticed, objective reality doesn't mean much in clown world, which of course is the explanation of why you don't "see things working out that way on the ground."

Remember, women control sex and reproduction, men control relationships and marriage.

I concur. Putting aside all arguments about when male value peaks...my point is that the result that we see now in the US of A is that the typical 20 to 25 year old even if she should biologically want to mate with those older men with more resources is programmed to see them as not viable.

And the evidence that we rarely see age gaps say 5 or more years outside sugaring relationships or certain ethnic communities. Those are the results I see.

 

[Blade Runner]

This thread was finished when I stated that women not being interested, at large (no, you the exception doesn't go against this, it proves the rule) for whatever reason to marry at young ages causes total chaos and instability. Nothing stated goes against this point, and nothing will address the point, because it's a fact. This was the design of the modern manipulators. End of thread.

 

[Starlight]

There is.

I meant as a reaction on this forum lol

The idea that a man's looks are anywhere near clout, status, power, resources, etc. is another modern female clown world suggestion (ie, the west and all the spoiled, propagandized women).

I agree and it’s another sign of this cultural inversion and hyper-materialism/sexualization that we see. Although, I imagine part of that has to do with social media and dating apps. Whether someone can take attractive pictures is more important than a persons character.

LOL, that was probably me

I also don’t find Leo very attractive lol

 

[infowarrior1]

The truth is that in Christian European countries, historically (with the proof being the Christian Church’s marriage records) is that the average age of marriage for a woman was 21 and the average for a man was 23… and that is going back into the Renaissance era (which is when TPTB of that time began recording “common” marriages… not just royal/politically arranged marriages).

You are selling yourselves short, big time, if you think that your “maximum value” is at 35… Talk like that holds men back. I agree with @Ah_Tibor that it *must* be a psyop. Telling men to wait until they are 35 to find someone because they should wait until their “peak” is exactly the same psyop that tells women to “find themselves” until they are 35… Wow… quite a cohencidence of manipulation and marketing.

Actually it does seem like a pretty good way to limit birthrates. If the Hajnal Line hypothesis remains proven true in regards to North Western Europe. Too many mouths to feed? Well better make the Men incel until 35-40 years old.

 

[Ah_Tibor]

Actually it does seem like a pretty good way to limit birthrates. If the Hajnal Line hypothesis remains proven true in regards to North Western Europe. Too many mouths to feed? Well better make the Men incel until 35-40 years old

((HUNGARIAN-BRITISH))

"Young marriage" was terrifying to eugenicists like the fear-mongering about teenage pregnancy (I am not saying teens should get pregnant, before someone says I am) when we were growing up. Delayed marriage is an effective contraceptive.

 

[infowarrior1]

((HUNGARIAN-BRITISH))

"Young marriage" was terrifying to eugenicists like the fear-mongering about teenage pregnancy (I am not saying teens should get pregnant, before someone says I am) when we were growing up. Delayed marriage is an effective contraceptive

Only if let's say a population is actually approaching Malthusian limits does it look like a good alternative to starvation.

 

[Blade Runner]

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