Online dating in 2007 vs now: what happened?

[Mercury]

I just checked the website and I saw plenty of beautiful women. When I read the description, it looks like a perfect wife. Pictures though show something different. Seems like they've been trained on what to write.

Here's the deal on Catholic Match. Everyone's profile is active and available for search, even if you havent logged in for ages. You can send a message to anyone, active or not. You have no knowledge if someone is active on the site by their profile. Paying does not make the process more efficient.

 

[Parmesan]

The message boards on that site are even more sad. You see 50+ even 60+ members with join dates sometimes TEN years ago STILL on there.

The delusion is too much when you see a 60 year old woman talking about her dates.

You might be surprised. My friend's dad was apparently a bit of a playboy in his prime. His wife died a while back, and he's in his 70s now and has had several girlfriends the last 10 years or so. There's a whole community of older divorcees and widows that basically date like perpetual teenagers again. A lot of older people have money, and many white grandparents aren't involved with the grandchildren like they used to. So they basically spend their days travelling and doing all sorts of activities.

 

[Snagglefoss]

I think there is two ways men are operating, for simplicity -

Men of low-self esteem, who are likely not putting in effort to fitness, appearance, work etc., who will accept the dating down.

Men of some self-esteem, who are likely putting in varying degrees of effort, who wait out dry spells to pestilence to pick out a relationship with someone on your level.

Online dating can work for either, but it's going to be a waiting game. I'm aware of guys who have been on these apps for years. They are hoping to grind something out and it can happen. A couple of members have mentioned they got married after about six months on a dating site - I think Christian sites.

There are stats, I think, posted several pages back that show growing sexlessness among men, and later and later dates in which women essentially come to a realisation that they are going to have to settle for a 35 year-old, 4-5, with little about him that tingles the senses if they want a long-term relationship.

We are in a woman's market. If a woman is about as attractive as a guy, the chances are he will get into a relationship. So high is the demand for female beauty and so low is the availability of it at about the level of attractiveness of men, on an individual basis. This creates a bit of a toxic environment in itself, as men are trying to and making choices based on the most superficial characteristic. They don't experience something like their traditional chaperoned community presenting them with "soft" possibilities, and then choosing to pursue one based on one who is probably around their level of attractiveness and on character.

You can date down in terms of looks without too much issue, but I think the majority of guys in these relationships use them as temporary vehicles for fornication. If someone pops up who matches their level of attractiveness, they are most likely to jump ship.

My experience with them is that you might catch someone's eye, someone who has an attention span, and some level of seriousness. Looks obviously help. If you are in the top 2-10% of male attractiveness (which doesn't mean much to Western women), but you say something that tingles her, you go from being another random "average" to "above average" looking guy to someone hot. It was never about me picking out a woman, it was always about a women picking me out and that being my only real option.

Dating down in looks for a slim/healthy weight average man means a noticeably overweight or an obese woman. Its such a crap deal. Its just normal biology to find fat women gross for the vast majority of men. It doesn't mean we want "stunners" or "models", that is a misunderstanding and male shaming language by leftist fucktards, we are very content with an average healthy weight woman (at least in 99% of cases it means that). For me excess fat has the biggest impact on female attractiveness, nothing comes close to ruining a woman's looks. Sure...5 to 10 pounds overweight isn't so bad and can be expected over the course of a relationship (especially over the festive period) but 20/30/40+ pounds has a huge impact on ones appearance, health... and for women a big drop in fertility and a higher incidence of birth defects. For sure though a slim built female "5" will be less eager to partner up with a slim male "5", she thinks he's "meh", where as he is head over heels for her. A fit yet facially plain 5'4 woman will gets far more attention than a fit plain looking 5'9 man. Online dating experiments prove this. It’s funny because the slim or skinny average-looking women's value gets blown up way out of proportion in this marketplace but a slim average mans doesn't, it remains neutral.

Unfortunately, we don't live in a fair or rational world.

Fat women have no problem getting dates with men above their station (healthy weight normies and even sometimes bodybuilders and classically handsome men), especially online. There has always been percentage of healthy weight guys who like big women. The sigma associated with this preference is long gone. Online dating and forums allow fat women to meet as many chubby chasers as they wish. But then again these healthy weight men that like fat women don't go over 15% of the male population.

Fat men have no similar female constituency. The number of women who actually prefer fat men is vanishingly small (I've only ever met two in my 44 years).

 

[Maddox]

Did this work out for you? Any updates?

Not yet. But I'll let you know if I go through with it.

 

[TheosisSeeker]

You might be surprised. My friend's dad was apparently a bit of a playboy in his prime. His wife died a while back, and he's in his 70s now and has had several girlfriends the last 10 years or so. There's a whole community of older divorcees and widows that basically date like perpetual teenagers again. A lot of older people have money, and many white grandparents aren't involved with the grandchildren like they used to. So they basically spend their days travelling and doing all sorts of activities.

Well I'm talking about Catholic match where these geriatrics are prostituting themselves. It's disgusting and worse on a religious site.

 

[Parmesan]

Not yet. But I'll let you know if I go through with it.

To be honest, it just sounds like another form of light prostitution... "Yea I'll totally introduce you to my friends, just come out and buy us drinks on Saturday.." Seems like yet another way for females to monetize simping while keeping their eye open for Chad.

 

[Maddox]

To be honest, it just sounds like another form of light prostitution... "Yea I'll totally introduce you to my friends, just come out and buy us drinks on Saturday.." Seems like yet another way for females to monetize simping while keeping their eye open for Chad.

I wouldn't call it prostitution. But yeah, I can see a regular chick taking advantage of an offer like this. That's why I thought maybe I should just find Christian girls who would be up for this since they are much less likely to take advantage of me.

I'm just not sure how to explain the job without it sounding pathetic. I mean, there's no shame in going to a real matchmaker. But hiring one for yourself is tricky and seems to come with an added stigma.

 

[Blade Runner]

I wouldn't call it prostitution. But yeah, I can see a regular chick taking advantage of an offer like this. That's why I thought maybe I should just find Christian girls who would be up for this since they are much less likely to take advantage of me.

I'm just not sure how to explain the job without it sounding pathetic. I mean, there's no shame in going to a real matchmaker. But hiring one for yourself is tricky and seems to come with an added stigma.

The hardest part of all of this is finding the right venues and openness to an older, successful man. Do you know who wouldn't be hard to find open with this? Girls of other races. The problem is in many ways, and we know why, the evil one went structurally after the europeans, since they were the linchpin.

 

[Grigori]

Has anyone tried dating websites for finding foreign women? Such as Eastern European, East Asian, or Middle Eastern women? What was your experience? What dating websites do you recommend?

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Has anyone tried dating websites for finding foreign women? Such as Eastern European, East Asian, or Middle Eastern women? What was your experience? What dating websites do you recommend?

I haven't, but I'd expect it to be a slippery slope. How can you properly vet these women? She might as well lived as a prostitute for 10 years and now willing to cash out of the sexual marketplace at age 29. It seems to me that you can easily get into a wreck this way, but there are examples that it works too for sure. Overall it's a sad state of affairs that we have to look to the other end of the world for a woman of the quality that was ''normal'' in any society in the world ever since the dawn of human time, but that's the way it is.

 

[Grigori]

I haven't, but I'd expect it to be a slippery slope. How can you properly vet these women? She might as well lived as a prostitute for 10 years and now willing to cash out of the sexual marketplace at age 29. It seems to me that you can easily get into a wreck this way, but there are examples that it works too for sure. Overall it's a sad state of affairs that we have to look to the other end of the world for a woman of the quality that was ''normal'' in any society in the world ever since the dawn of human time, but that's the way it is.

Well, I'm 24, so I won't take any woman who's older than me. However, if a woman has lived as a prostitute for 5 years, that's also unacceptable, and you're right, I won't be able to check her in any way. My tentative strategy so far, would be to get her Skype, and ask her a bunch of "interview questions". I can actually tell when people are lying, because their facial expression changes slightly.

 

[Blade Runner]

Who are the lucky guys that can actually get girls in this day and age to commit in their early 20s? I know of 1 that I ever even had a shot at, or connection to, in my whole lifetime. Yet there are 20-somethings that post here and I'm not trying to be blackpill, but it seems supremely unlikely. Am I wrong?

 

[Easy_C]

Catholic Batch isn't so bad. The trick is to filter results for only women who put "no contraception" on their profile. That teaching is the one that separates cafeteria catholic from serious catholics.

 

[Cynllo]

Today is international men's day.

The thirst is real.

 

[Cr33pin]

 

[Arturo80]

The fact is that a six in 2008 was in scarcity. She likely didn't have many confident or attractive single guys in her work or social circle.

She replied on either friend of a friend (always a degree of slim pickings for most), or going to bars or clubs. The latter would be full of unconfident tongue tied men, and drunks.

This is why game was a short window of possibility for guys. Which many, including myself, rather than use a means of meeting a high quality woman for a LTR and marriage, used it as a narcissistic prop to self esteem, by being seen as 'successful' and having strings of ultimately meaningless sexual liaisons, in order to alleviate cheap lust and deep seated insecurity.

I have no idea if guys even attempt to 'run game' in this fashion anymore. Paradoxically, they may even find some receptivity from women, who may find novelty in an irl old fashioned approach.

 

[Parmesan]

The fact is that a six in 2008 was in scarcity. She likely didn't have many confident or attractive single guys in her work or social circle.

She replied on either friend of a friend (always a degree of slim pickings for most), or going to bars or clubs. The latter would be full of unconfident tongue tied men, and drunks.

This is why game was a short window of possibility for guys. Which many, including myself, rather than use a means of meeting a high quality woman for a LTR and marriage, used it as a narcissistic prop to self esteem, by being seen as 'successful' and having strings of ultimately meaningless sexual liaisons, in order to alleviate cheap lust and deep seated insecurity.

I have no idea if guys even attempt to 'run game' in this fashion anymore. Paradoxically, they may even find some receptivity from women, who may find novelty in an irl old fashioned approach.

2008 was directly in the prime of my 20’s. 6’s were getting hit on by plenty of guys, and 2008 was a full decade into the rise of the yuppie bar scene, so plenty of put together men hitting on them. Colleges weren’t as soy and feminized as they are now so plenty of decent males in those circles as well. If anything, women had more access to good men, they just weren’t addicted to the attention rush and potential to join an elite male’s harem, which Instagram/TikTok fosters. College campuses these days look like a black hole of testosterone, and strong males are an increasing rarity anywhere in an urban setting, including the bar scene.

 

[Parmesan]

The fact is that a six in 2008 was in scarcity. She likely didn't have many confident or attractive single guys in her work or social circle.

She replied on either friend of a friend (always a degree of slim pickings for most), or going to bars or clubs. The latter would be full of unconfident tongue tied men, and drunks.

This is why game was a short window of possibility for guys. Which many, including myself, rather than use a means of meeting a high quality woman for a LTR and marriage, used it as a narcissistic prop to self esteem, by being seen as 'successful' and having strings of ultimately meaningless sexual liaisons, in order to alleviate cheap lust and deep seated insecurity.

I have no idea if guys even attempt to 'run game' in this fashion anymore. Paradoxically, they may even find some receptivity from women, who may find novelty in an irl old fashioned approach.

2008 was directly in the prime of my 20’s. 6’s were getting hit on by plenty of guys, and 2008 was a full decade into the rise of the yuppie bar scene, so plenty of put together men hitting on them. Colleges weren’t as soy and feminized as they are now so plenty of decent males in those circles as well. Corporate America and office work was not completely faggotized yet. If anything, women had more access to good men, they just weren’t addicted to the attention rush and potential to join an elite male’s harem, which Instagram/TikTok fosters. Some younger men don’t realize how far we have fallen in a mere decade. I thought it was bad in 2008 but could never had predicted we’d find ourselves at this point.

 

[Easy_C]

2008 was directly in the prime of my 20’s. 6’s were getting hit on by plenty of guys, and 2008 was a full decade into the rise of the yuppie bar scene, so plenty of put together men hitting on them. Colleges weren’t as soy and feminized as they are now so plenty of decent males in those circles as well. If anything, women had more access to good men, they just weren’t addicted to the attention rush and potential to join an elite male’s harem, which Instagram/TikTok fosters. College campuses these days look like a black hole of testosterone, and strong males are an increasing rarity anywhere in an urban setting, including the bar scene.

It's just that the period was in the odd spot between when club culture was at it's peak but online dating was in its infancy. At the time online dating catered to specific niches like people with geographic impediments, specific religions, or the "bottom barrelers" like Plenty of Fish. A lot of the sites at that point functioned more like digital matchmakers than the hookup auctions they are now.

 

[Blade Runner]

The fact is that a six in 2008 was in scarcity. She likely didn't have many confident or attractive single guys in her work or social circle.

What's your breakdown right now? It might be because men have much longer windows, and SMV related not (almost) strictly to physical attributes, but I've said in many places on the forum that there aren't a ton of above average to top men, but there are hordes more than above average women (in the west). This is mostly due to not being able to get young age girls and obesity of the modern day. That's why the real issue in all of this is the above average guys that get locked out. I say that because if you are a woman and a 7, or even a 6.5, in the modern world, tons of options are delivered to you to consider for a match. That is not the case, at all, for a 7 man.

I've estimated 6.5s and above, even, in the west, to be as low as 1.5%. This number has gone down probably by 0.5% to 1% per year since I've been thinking about it (I originally started at 3-4% I think).