OnlyFans / Online camgirls

Robert High Hawk

Kingfisher
Interesting article talking about the growth and current finances of Onlyfans. It's written by a sympathetic coomer who needs to whip himself and beg for repentance, but nonetheless, it's a great analysis on the rise of Onlyfans, how it compares to other tech in terms of funding and growth. I read it from a "know your enemy" type lense, and it's quite useful to see just how big this thing is, and the kind of cultural momentum it has. My takeaway is that actually there is still some hesitancy amongst big tech to get into this world, but that may be evaporating.

Fortunately the comments on the article, at least on ZH, are roundly critical towards the concept. I pity the author's moral stance.


PS. One comment so far on ZH: "China rises while America wanks itself to death and turns half its women into whores. This may be funny in the history books but it's not the happiest event while it's happening. When you sacrifice your vital seed, your Chi, to the succubi/whores, you develop a deficiency in your brain that makes you less clever than the Chinese, Iranians, religious Arabs, and other sexually civilized peoples. Furthermore, people under 21 are basically kids and America is a nation of exploitative perverts."
 

wannable alpha

Woodpecker
I have come to the conclusion that when you have absolute freedom of speech and real democracy the porn industry and even prostitution is inevitable.

There will always be a few deviants who want to create a business out of sex, starting with Hugh Hefner to present day firms like Pornhub or OnlyFans. They will lobby, they will organize, they will fund "research" etc. When all citizens are allowed to talk without any legal or physical violence threats, such perverts flourish.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
Just a general question, building on my comments earlier in the thread.

People download music illegally for free all the time. So, if you're not going to pay for something like Sgt, Pepper or Pet Sounds -- which are considered some of the premiere 20th century works of musical art -- why on earth would you pay to see a bunch of sleazy girls?

Does anyone else see that lack of logic in that?
 

wannable alpha

Woodpecker
^^Days of Broken Arrows. The reason OF is making so much money is that it is like a webcam + Patreon + Snapchat

--A woman uploads her videos but doesn't need to be doing webcam all day or for hours. Her one video created in a few mins can get her 1000s of dollars.
--Subscribers also get to interact with the woman via DMs, similar to a webcam girl or Snapchat Premium.

So for the girl it is more time efficient and for the guys better than tube porn where there is no interaction.
 

etwsake

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Just a general question, building on my comments earlier in the thread.

People download music illegally for free all the time. So, if you're not going to pay for something like Sgt, Pepper or Pet Sounds -- which are considered some of the premiere 20th century works of musical art -- why on earth would you pay to see a bunch of sleazy girls?

Does anyone else see that lack of logic in that?

I think we're just from a different generation. The only "porn" I ever paid for was Playboy magazines when I turned 18, almost just for the thrill of it. Within a few years, there was just free porn everywhere though. I never understood the idea of paying for it.

I download music too, and I don't pay for it, and I don't consider it stealing. It's no different than hearing it on the radio. It's not like I'm going in to a store and sticking a CD under my jacket. I make sure to support the artists I actually like by attending their concerts and paying the ridiculous fees they charge, cause they actually get that money instead of a record company.

As for paying girls to see a naked picture of them and get a text from them? That's baffling to me. That's like someone telling me they prefer to stick their head underwater and breathe it in instead of oxygen. I can't possibly understand that mindset. They may as well be a different species from me, their thinking is so opposite of mine.

In other words, yes, I fail to see the logic in it.
 

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
I think we're just from a different generation. The only "porn" I ever paid for was Playboy magazines when I turned 18, almost just for the thrill of it. Within a few years, there was just free porn everywhere though. I never understood the idea of paying for it.

I download music too, and I don't pay for it, and I don't consider it stealing. It's no different than hearing it on the radio. It's not like I'm going in to a store and sticking a CD under my jacket. I make sure to support the artists I actually like by attending their concerts and paying the ridiculous fees they charge, cause they actually get that money instead of a record company.

As for paying girls to see a naked picture of them and get a text from them? That's baffling to me. That's like someone telling me they prefer to stick their head underwater and breathe it in instead of oxygen. I can't possibly understand that mindset. They may as well be a different species from me, their thinking is so opposite of mine.

In other words, yes, I fail to see the logic in it.

I don't understand the texts either. The women don't actually like the men. It's pretend.
 

Coja Petrus Uscan

Hummingbird
Gold Member
This has been covered before. There is a 'fetish' called GFE, girlfriend experience. It was covered in a Louis Theroux documentary about prostitution in NV. As I remember the guy in the doc who was into it was short, unattractive, older, with poor social skills and gravitas. Yet he had cash and wanted to buy what he could not access in HS and college.

There are guys who crave a bit of attention from the type of women they see in Playboy or x-rated content. It's a niche. Of course, not all guys will pay, but some do. Just like there are some who pay prostitutes and go to strip clubs. You can watch a strip show at home or have one performed on your lap.

There is obviously a large element of simping here. Guys who think by dropping money at women's feet they might chose them.
 

Stirfry

Woodpecker
I think we're just from a different generation. The only "porn" I ever paid for was Playboy magazines when I turned 18, almost just for the thrill of it. Within a few years, there was just free porn everywhere though. I never understood the idea of paying for it.

I download music too, and I don't pay for it, and I don't consider it stealing. It's no different than hearing it on the radio. It's not like I'm going in to a store and sticking a CD under my jacket. I make sure to support the artists I actually like by attending their concerts and paying the ridiculous fees they charge, cause they actually get that money instead of a record company.

As for paying girls to see a naked picture of them and get a text from them? That's baffling to me. That's like someone telling me they prefer to stick their head underwater and breathe it in instead of oxygen. I can't possibly understand that mindset. They may as well be a different species from me, their thinking is so opposite of mine.

In other words, yes, I fail to see the logic in it.
100% agree, and it’s so harmful. This thirsty, pathetic, beta, simp behavior is destroying relations between men and women. Especially this onlyfans thing which has the entered mainstream to a certain extent (I only know about it because of news items talking about how such-and-such an actress joined, how some woman made millions on it, etc.). Women see this stuff too and immediately start over-valuing their assets, even the old fat ones. Men who send women money on onlyfans or tinder are ruining it for the rest of us who just want to date a woman with a realistic idea of their self-worth and reasonable expectations.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
I don't understand the texts either. The women don't actually like the men. It's pretend.

Ha. I went to college with a woman whose daughter is a little-known porn actress. To make extra money, the girl does OnlyFans, Patreon, etc.

But this girl also maintains a Twitter account, where she insults her male fans AND spouts anti-make feminist SJW crap. What kind of man would PAY money to someone like this?? I'd pay money if she'd agree to permanently disappear.

(Just for the record, the mom was pretty hot in college, but her daughter isn't. Yet the daughter is the one selling it online. A sign of the times.)
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
This has been covered before. There is a 'fetish' called GFE, girlfriend experience.
I don't think the desire for normal human sexual relations that involve talking kissing, caressing, foreplay and anything other than a mere "here's me assuming the default doggy position with lube pre-applied, do whatever you want and don't ask questions" involved in a typical experience with a prostitute can be called a "fetish".

Now, obviously, the fact that the client knows the woman is expressing this "GFE" interest in him just because he paid her a lot of money a minute ago ruins the whole experience and makes it obviously wrong/unsustainable/fruitless, but I really don't see how someone yearning for an expression of humanity (even if pretend) is fetishism.

Certainly both are wrong in the end, but "GFE" makes more sense to me than someone paying to just empty their balls into what might as well have been a lifeless sex doll. It's someone desperately trying to fill a genuine void rather than indulging their lust for no reason whatsoever.
 

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Ostrich
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kosko

Peacock
Gold Member
She is essentially grooming herself, posting pictures that push personal boundaries till she is comfortable with the new boundary, then pushing a little further.
She Actually articulated this in an interview on the H3 podcast. Just a little further each day until she is comfortable with the new behavior.
Where does it end with her... that is the scary part.

Like a crack head, she is continually pushing it to get her bell-rung more intensely each time.

No surprise she grew up fatherless.
I don't understand the texts either. The women don't actually like the men. It's pretend.
Attention is one heck of a drug, especially when it is from the opposite sex.

"It's pretending." ... You're thinking too logically here. To these men wrapped up in the Only Fans noise, here is there thought process:

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Here is another example: for many men in faux marriages/relationships, the woman pretends to provide attention to the husband. A lot of fraudulent relationships around where the girl is just sitting pretty stroking her man's ego while trifling behind the scenes. The men sit stewing it oblivious or completely with the blinders on. People will distort whatever the situation is to fit their faux idea of reality. The men in these situations, including with Only Fans, think it is very real, and in many cases, expectations are much more clear for men who go down the Only Fans path as there is a trade/exchange for attention. This is not to equate it as '$ = attention' but more-so that a man views the 'barrier of entry = passed' to now have access to the woman. In their view, they have the ticket to a game most don't, and they are playing in a league most men can't get access to.

More on attention: all-in-all is no different than Men have been soliciting escorts for attention for ages. Many men will pay these women for quiet time, dinner-dates, and not even for adult bedroom activities that one would expect.

The crude reality is that for men, attention from the opposite sex is not in abundant supply; there is scarcity.

There is also a crude reality that these pay platforms create a smaller 'arena' with the less male competition. Many Men on these platforms leverage the texting, messages, etc., into meet-ups and dates.

There are so many moving parts. Many men view it as bizarre and odd as they look at these situations through their own lens with too much logic. When you take a step back and start to analyze and assess it from a high-level, accounting for emotional conditions and impulses, you start to notice these quicks and trends appear very easily.

As I have said, what Only Fans do is nothing new; it is just a synergy of trappings and tricks that have bamboozled men since the beginning of time packaged into a monetized digital product. If someone were to able to crack the code and build a similar monetized platform for women where women would run and line-up to pay subscriptions monthly y for access - you'll become a billionaire. I don't know what that platform would be but if there is a Female focused type Only Fans that come on-line the creator will become a billionaire instantly.
 

debeguiled

Peacock
Gold Member
Great post Kosko.

I think the only way a female version would work is if you could convince women they were interacting with high value men, millionaires or male models, and you would have to give them deniability, so make it a site where they feel they are getting an inside scoop on the perks, dilemmas, and heartbreak of top tier men.

You probably would do best never to make them feel cheap like they were paying for nudity, more along the lines of a heart to heart (fake) late at night with a male model who happens to be in bikini underwear. He could complain about his girlfriend, tell each fam individually that they are the only one he can really talk to, and any positive attention he gives to other fans is just because they 'seem to need it."

Probably wouldn't scale as easily, women being more needy than even the simp men.
 

kosko

Peacock
Gold Member
Great post Kosko.

I think the only way a female version would work is if you could convince women they were interacting with high value men, millionaires or male models, and you would have to give them deniability, so make it a site where they feel they are getting an inside scoop on the perks, dilemmas, and heartbreak of top tier men.

You probably would do best never to make them feel cheap like they were paying for nudity, more along the lines of a heart to heart (fake) late at night with a male model who happens to be in bikini underwear. He could complain about his girlfriend, tell each fam individually that they are the only one he can really talk to, and any positive attention he gives to other fans is just because they 'seem to need it."

Probably wouldn't scale as easily, women being more needy than even the simp men.

I like where you are going with this; it would have to be celebrity or top 1-5% percent focus. This ironically is what Only Fans was initially designed to do. This could work, but I do wonder about the supply.

There is a bottomless pit (unfortunately) of wacky women who are more than happy to become E-whores for money on the male-focused end. On the flip-side, what do you offer an elite blue-chip dude to waste time interacting with sub-par women?

But it may be that a female "Only Fans" would not be built the same way as a male-focused one is. There would be little to need for adult content as women do not have an appetite for flesh the same way men do.

Next, I thought it would have to revolve around narcism or some type of consumption product/service with limited supply. From a business standpoint, I wonder if women would pay $X per month to have access to X limited popular products (handbag, boots, makeup)- that is more in-line to hit the weak-spots of women. This also caps scaleability because the "exclusivity of access" is limited (unless you created a bidding market for access). Typically for female products, you spread it far, abundant, often, and for cheap. Lots of crap for next to nothing and let the women gobble it up. I wonder if there is actually an ability to introduce scarcity into modern young women's life?
 
I like where you are going with this; it would have to be celebrity or top 1-5% percent focus. This ironically is what Only Fans was initially designed to do. This could work, but I do wonder about the supply.

There is a bottomless pit (unfortunately) of wacky women who are more than happy to become E-whores for money on the male-focused end. On the flip-side, what do you offer an elite blue-chip dude to waste time interacting with sub-par women?

But it may be that a female "Only Fans" would not be built the same way as a male-focused one is. There would be little to need for adult content as women do not have an appetite for flesh the same way men do.

Next, I thought it would have to revolve around narcism or some type of consumption product/service with limited supply. From a business standpoint, I wonder if women would pay $X per month to have access to X limited popular products (handbag, boots, makeup)- that is more in-line to hit the weak-spots of women. This also caps scaleability because the "exclusivity of access" is limited (unless you created a bidding market for access). Typically for female products, you spread it far, abundant, often, and for cheap. Lots of crap for next to nothing and let the women gobble it up. I wonder if there is actually an ability to introduce scarcity into modern young women's life?
My friend is already working on a venture like this, but it's not female-only.

It replaced in-person Comic Con type photo ops. Now they have pre-scheduled video time one-on-one with celebs of all stripes. There is even a digital line... so the user pays to reserve a spot, has to show up on time, and then at the given time their window opens and there is William Shatner or some WWE guy or whoever. They get X amount of minutes to talk to the talent, and then their window closes and that's that. They can also have a video recording of the meeting, and get upsold on other swag.

The one issue they are running into so far is that the A list stars and some of the more mercenary smart ones understand that time is money and they cut off at the agreed time even if someone is mid-sentence. But a lot of the C list and under "stars" are still brand building, and/or they seem to actually want a relationship with their fans (which is weird to me), so they will talk for another 15 min. Or course not realizing that they are screwing over everyone else in the digital queue and costing themselves money.
 
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