OnlyFans / Online camgirls

Athanasius

Kingfisher
Meanwhile more "fresh meat" turns 18 every day, hastening these girls along to the wall and to lessened prospects.

It'd be interesting to do a study of these women in a generation that probes their happiness, suicide rates, their ability to pair bond, their level of cynicism and bitterness, their feelings about men, etc. It all just seems so manageable while you are in the early stages of ruining your soul and becoming a husk of a real woman.

But hey, that stuff only happens to other people...
 

CynicalContrarian

Peacock
Gold Member
From Twitch cleavage girls.
To Instagram bikini girls.
To MyFreeCams & OnlyFans nude / masturbation girls.

It's all just a spectrum.
Simply a question of how much an individual girl feels she needs to expose.

They want attention.
It's all from the comfort / ease of their bedrooms.
All the while, they can earn money to boot.

Problem is; there are far to many Clowns willing to give them attention & money...
 

ginsu

Sparrow
A girl is in reality only as virtuous as the family she was raised under. So obviously if the dad has no moral proclivities or has left the family then the girl subsumes societies ideology. Guys really need to wise up, the girl assumes the identity of the man she's under, or should. Obviously it's a complicated problem, but stems from socio-economics+religion mostly. If no jobs (or they're given over to women) then the men can't provide as breadwinners so there goes the patriarchy, and even if the guy can act as provider (which assumes alot nowadays), then he still has to have some moral backbone.

With 'OnlyFans' or whatever it is, it's female nature to be 'taken care' of. She assumes the roles given to her. Again, if no one is playing 'daddy' government will step in and you'll end up with girls throwing all caution to the wind. It's nothing 'new', what is 'new' here though is simply the technological impact. One has to understand the nonsense which is the internet itself. Computers, the internet in particular, is framing human social interaction. You might be thinking, "we'll yeah, obviously, duh..." but the fact of the matter is anyone online perpetuates the entire vicious cycle. To be blunt here, the internet itself is the main cause for concern, not 'OnlyFans'.

Obviously the selling of self digitally is vulgar and reprehensible and should be done away with, but the internet itself is a porn machine. Don't you guys get it? The internet is structured to flood porn and subdue people. In effect it's a form of slavery. So, while obviously 'OnlyFans' is just another venue for women to copycat each like they always do, they are simply more slaves to the larger prerogative here; namely your entire life is being wasted digitally, literally, and figuratively.
Excellent point, the arrows should be aimed at the men that allowed these women to become what they are today. If you go look at the parents of a girl who turned out good or bad you immediately know why it happened that way. It's rare that girls from successful marriages with strong loving fathers turn out to be the OF ones. Focussing on women to be better is all backward. If men became worthy of being followed again women would fall in line.

No girl that adores her father would dare to go near OF, if he's the type of man to see it as shameful and lose respect for her. If you've known these types of girls you know what I'm talking about. Their life revolves around making their father proud and earning their love. This would also transition into doing everything she could to make her husband proud and avoid losing his love. BUT this only happens with men that command respect, solid character, hard working, loving but take no shit from anyone.
 
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Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
Why would anyone pay for this? In the one-dimensional digital realm, girls get boring and/or annoying real quick.

I used to add women on Instagram and be happy for about one day. On the second day it was "Man she posts a lot and clutters up the feed. Also her jokes are beyond idiotic."

By the end of the week it was "Ugh. I can't stand her pretentious, cliched poses, her arrogant captions, and worst of all her UNFUNNY jokes. I'm unfollowing her."

My guess is that men who pay for Only Fans have the same experience except they pay. You're getting the most shallow, brainless, self-important attention whores in the world with this stuff. Even in real life my guess is these girls are unbearable -- the digital world makes the trivial even more trivial.

PS: There is an online repository where people post Only Fans content. I won't give the address, but it's becoming the Napster of Only Fans. Since Napster pretty much destroyed the entire music industry infrastructure, Only Fans (and Patreon, etc.) probably won't be around long. The risk/reward ratio won't be worth it when the nudes leak instantaneously.
 

scorpion

Ostrich
Gold Member
It's almost impossible to over-emphasize just how damaging this type of online prostitution is to young women. Within just a couple of weeks a girl on these sites is guaranteed to have lost whatever remaining innocence she had, forever. She will have learned to fully exploit her sexuality in direct exchange for money in the most cynical manner possible. And she will have developed a contempt and disdain for men that she will carry with her for the rest of her life. She will see them (projecting the qualities of her clientele on all men) as idiots, dupes, perverts and generally hapless losers. As a consequence she will have difficulty forming relationships with men for the remainder of her life.

Additionally, she will internalize a high level of self-loathing from the psychological discomfort of selling herself to such pathetic men. A woman bases her internal self-worth on the value of the men in her life who care for her, first her father and then (ideally) her husband. But what if the only men supporting you are a bunch of pathetic perverts? What does that say about you as a woman? Certainly nothing good. And they feel that. And as a result come the drugs to deaden the pain.

But of course women are not the only victims here. Perhaps not even the primary victims. The effects on the men who use these sites are just as bad, if not worse. These are low-value men who are being exploited in the grossest way possible. Most of these guys are not rolling in money to begin with, but get drawn in by these online prostitutes and often end up doling out thousands of dollars. The women are taking advantage of men who are lonely and desperate for female attention. If the roles were reversed this would be declared a national scandal and these sites would be decried universally in the media and quickly shut down for being flatly immoral and exploitative of vulnerable women. But because it's low-value men being grossly exploited in this manner, no one cares.

So ultimately these sites are completely toxic for both men and women. Stay away and warn others to stay away as well. Anything that can be done as far as shaming women and scaring them away from these platforms will literally save lives in the long run. So-called "sex work" is NOT work. It is not legitimate and we should never even accept the terminology. It should be referred to as online prostitution, e-whoring, or in similar terms. This is definitely a battle worth fighting in the ongoing culture war. If we allow this behavior to become normalized we will see a huge percentage of the coming generations morally and psychologically destroyed before they even reach proper adulthood.
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
Terms like coomer and simp are among the most effective grass-roots, effective pushbacks I've seen against the porn industry in the past 30 years. These terms encourage men to think about what they are doing and to realize that they are being hooked and led around by their testicles for the benefit of fallen women and their masters, who are little more than sexual drug dealers.
 

Travesty

Crow
Gold Member
My crystal ball says there will be private bets that go viral of groups of girls that have bets and dares of who can earn $1k, $10k etc.. first in their group on OnlyFans. "We all wanted to go the Greek Islands for a month during summer and stay at a villa. This is how we did it!"
 
In a way, making good money on OF or camming is a red pill for women. They see how easily a lot of guys can be manipulated and a girl losing her innocence in a few weeks shows she was not that innocent to begin with.

Banning OF and similar sites will be an uphill battle. Society couldn't even ban Playboy when it started and the overall population was much more prudish and conservative at the time. Most OF girls seem to be doing softcore shoots or solo shoots AFAIK and are cutting out the middleman/pimp. Shaming them will work on a few but you can bet that the mainstream media will support the girls being outed as victims of slut-shaming and there will be some kind of law to prosecute the doxxers along the lines of "intentional infliction of emotional distress".

As for the missing dad theory. Plenty of Playmates came from normal and even well-off families. There's one whose name I don't remember. An Italian-American Playmate who's a fat cow now. Her dad is a restaurateur. And all these college girls taking it off for Playboy. Certainly middle class/upper middle class chicks. My two cents on why American, Euro and Japanese girls do porn -

No bodily harm - Physical violence by family members isn't a thing in these cultures and effective law enforcement also makes sure it doesn't happen. No societal support for all that stuff. The most a man can do is kick out his daughter and disown her.

Economic independence of women - This means after being kicked out she can easily find an apartment while doing any kind of job. No housing and job discrimination based on gender and marital status.

End stage capitalism - Anything goes as long as it is done by consenting adults. Conservatives will act outraged by not shut down these industries cause they have got a finger in the pie or they just don't care enough.
I was watching the videos of an anti-prostitution campaigner and she showed that most of the sex workers unions and nonprofits on their behalf are actually owned and funded by pimps. i.e. controlling the narrative and making it about safety instead of abolition.
In supposedly conservative Thailand, tourists are not allowed in Buddhist temples if they show a little skin while Thai authorities ignore the
massive sex tourism going on in their country.

Too much intellectualism -
Hefner and ilk sponsored all kinds of highfalutin ideas to justify their businesses. Complicated theories on how sex work is natural and empowering written about in academia and creating catch phrases to justify it on a lower intellectual level. i.e. my body my rights.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
It's almost impossible to over-emphasize just how damaging this type of online prostitution is to young women. Within just a couple of weeks a girl on these sites is guaranteed to have lost whatever remaining innocence she had, forever. She will have learned to fully exploit her sexuality in direct exchange for money in the most cynical manner possible. And she will have developed a contempt and disdain for men that she will carry with her for the rest of her life. She will see them (projecting the qualities of her clientele on all men) as idiots, dupes, perverts and generally hapless losers. As a consequence she will have difficulty forming relationships with men for the remainder of her life.

Additionally, she will internalize a high level of self-loathing from the psychological discomfort of selling herself to such pathetic men. A woman bases her internal self-worth on the value of the men in her life who care for her, first her father and then (ideally) her husband. But what if the only men supporting you are a bunch of pathetic perverts? What does that say about you as a woman? Certainly nothing good. And they feel that. And as a result come the drugs to deaden the pain.

But of course women are not the only victims here. Perhaps not even the primary victims. The effects on the men who use these sites are just as bad, if not worse. These are low-value men who are being exploited in the grossest way possible. Most of these guys are not rolling in money to begin with, but get drawn in by these online prostitutes and often end up doling out thousands of dollars. The women are taking advantage of men who are lonely and desperate for female attention. If the roles were reversed this would be declared a national scandal and these sites would be decried universally in the media and quickly shut down for being flatly immoral and exploitative of vulnerable women. But because it's low-value men being grossly exploited in this manner, no one cares.

So ultimately these sites are completely toxic for both men and women. Stay away and warn others to stay away as well. Anything that can be done as far as shaming women and scaring them away from these platforms will literally save lives in the long run. So-called "sex work" is NOT work. It is not legitimate and we should never even accept the terminology. It should be referred to as online prostitution, e-whoring, or in similar terms. This is definitely a battle worth fighting in the ongoing culture war. If we allow this behavior to become normalized we will see a huge percentage of the coming generations morally and psychologically destroyed before they even reach proper adulthood.
I know a few women who did odd sex work-related things in the 1990s and 2000s, like wrestle men for money. The problem I see with these women is that they view relations with men as transactional. It's always about who bought them what or how much something costs.

This also manifests itself in....how they relate to other women, believe it or not. Regular conversations end up degenerating into caustic exchanges about how much someone's shoes cost. ("Seinfeld" once satirized this in an early episode.)

This all ends up being like a diseased form of capitalism. If you go around viewing every transaction with everyone in terms of money, you really do lose your soul. These women like to think they "got one over" on the system by exploiting men, but seeing men only as cash cows (and other women as competitors) is profoundly simplistic and really does rob them of having real relationships.

It's also important to remember how we all were as teenagers. NO ONE thought this way! We all wanted to fall in love. These women are miles away from that. Women who do the sex/money thing wind up shortchanged (heh) in the end.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
It's not a diseased form of capitalism. It's the pure form of capitalism that exists once the social defenses of Christianity have been sufficiently stripped away.

Saying this is a diseased form of capitalism is on par with those folks that see the various famines in the CCP and the USSR and say "that wasn't real communism."

Under capitalism a woman is not only allowed to whore herself but she is actually in a sense obligated to whore herself because her youthful beauty and general sexuality is simply another form of capital, and failing to exploit it is like a farmer leaving his fields unseeded or a truck driver leaving his rig in the driveway to rust. The only exception would be if she could leverage her beauty for a bigger payout some other way or if the total financial loss of whoring herself outweighed the banal income-over-time payout whoring herself offered.

This is part of the reason the West is falling into a pit of sin. Freedom and capitalism are synonymous for obvious reasons. Do as you please and use the capital you have as you please to turn a profit as you please by whatever means doesn't infringe on the freedom of others.

So when a woman rents her body or the image of it she is living the ethos of freedom and capitalism, and those that worship freedom and capitalism have no spiritual or moral high ground to combat such sinful degeneracy. They surrendered that authority when they decided that man's laws were no longer to be premised on God's laws but on lucifer's (do what thou wilt).

Capitalism was coined in its modern form by Karl Marx as being the antithesis of communism and in typical "heads I win tails you lose" jewciferian fashion the jewciferians on the other side of the ocean began feverishly reprogramming America from being a Christian nation to a capitalist nation on the premise that communism represented all that was evil, therefore capitalism must by definition represent all that was good. This of course opened the doors for them to discard anything remotely resembling ethical business practices because obviously anyone that balked at the idea of running cheap, unsafe factories or polluting the environment must be a communist, and therefore evil by definition. This mentality persists to this day strongly in America and has manifested ultimately in what I've described before, European stock being trained to act like Jews minus the ethnic solidarity.

Capitalism isn't a casualty here. Christian morality is the casualty. This is capitalism ascendant.
 
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Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
It's not a diseased form of capitalism. It's the pure form of capitalism that exists once the social defenses of Christianity have been sufficiently stripped away.

Saying this is a diseased form of capitalism is on par with those folks that see the various famines in the CCP and the USSR and say "that wasn't real communism."

Under capitalism a woman is not only allowed to whore herself but she is actually in a sense obligated to whore herself because her youthful beauty and general sexuality is simply another form of capital, and failing to exploit it is like a farmer leaving his fields unseeded or a truck driver leaving his rig in the driveway to rust. The only exception would be if she could leverage her beauty for a bigger payout some other way or if the total financial loss of whoring herself outweighed the banal income-over-time payout whoring herself offered.

This is part of the reason the West is falling into a pit of sin. Freedom and capitalism are synonymous for obvious reasons. Do as you please and use the capital you have as you please to turn a profit as you please by whatever means doesn't infringe on the freedom of others.

So when a woman rents her body or the image of it she is living the ethos of freedom and capitalism, and those that worship freedom and capitalism have no spiritual or moral high ground to combat such sinful degeneracy. They surrendered that authority when they decided that man's laws were no longer to be premised on God's laws but on lucifer's (do what thou wilt).

Capitalism was coined in its modern form by Karl Marx as being the antithesis of communism and in typical "heads I win tails you lose" jewciferian fashion the jewciferians on the other side of the ocean began feverishly reprogramming America from being a Christian nation to a capitalist nation on the premise that communism represented all that was evil, therefore capitalism must by definition represent all that was good. This of course opened the doors for them to discard anything remotely resembling ethical business practices because obviously anyone that balked at the idea of running cheap, unsafe factories or polluting the environment must be a communist, and therefore evil by definition. This mentality persists to this day strongly in America and has manifested ultimately in what I've described before, European stock being trained to act like Jews minus the ethnic solidarity.

Capitalism isn't a casualty here. Christian morality is the casualty. This is capitalism ascendant.
Not exactly.

Under capitalism NOW, women are able to sell their images online. But before we had this stuff online, it would have been illegal in the real world. A woman could not, for instance, stand on a corner and sell nudes of herself. It would have violated community standards -- which is how they set the bar for what was porn and what wasn't years ago.

She'd have gotten busted under laws similar to the ones they used to use to shut down the sex toy shops -- or the ones where they close down newsstands for carrying dirty mags outside of specific districts.

What's changing America isn't capitalism crushing Christianity. It's the Wild West online culture.

When having these discussions we tend to get online culture mixed up with the real world. So let's remember that prostitution per se is still illegal in most of the country. It has been for most of U.S. history. Take away the online element and you basically have the same laws and the same country you did decades ago. If the Internet went down tomorrow permanently, these OnlyFans thots couldn't sell their wares on the street. They'd be locked up immediately for obscenity and indecent exposure.

Yet online, this is tolerated (which is ironic considering all the things Big Tech tries to ban). Anyway, online whoring is only built into the capitalist system because in the 1990s, lawmakers didn't understand cyber culture or know how to deal with it. Prostitution in the real world is something most people want to get rid of. And if online prostitution could be placed under the banner of "community standards," most folks (especially parents) would seek to get it stamped out too. You know, like a disease.
 

kosko

Peacock
Gold Member
Many are going to regret this just like the girls in the girlsdoporn case. And these OF girls will have no one else to blame either.

What's sad is that they don't realise how short sighted they are being. None, or at least 99.99% are not going become a millionaire or get FU money. Even if they get 200-300k by the time they finish college what have they really achieved even in materialistic terms.

They can pay off their student loans, do a bit of traveling or buy a starter house. But they could have done all that even without the ethot money. Just a few years later like all their other peers. And without risking their professional aspirations.
Most women are using OF to create an income stream to pay for thier lifestyle. If the girl isn't a complete moron she should understand that is the idea of OF is not as a revenue generator, but as a means to create stable reccurring income. If leveraged as a tool to grow recurring income it can be strong as then management only goes into maintaining your subscription bass at X number to maintain your income target.

If she has a warm brain she will quickly realize that a couple hundred subscribers gives her a nice life income stream. For your average THOT with a large social media presence this is not difficult to achieve.


Think about how much of a challenge it is for men to build up sources of passive income to cover living expenses. This requires a considerable amount of effort and strategy to produce. I'm not saying it's impossible to do but it isn't a walk in the park.

For women and puts on some lace, sticks a cucumber up her butt, then creates an OF and promotes in on her snapchat and in as little as a week and can build up the same passive income stream that took a man months or years to build.
 
I think most people on this forum would agree that women will do lots of things relating to sex if society lets them do it. The reason most still don't esp in conservative countries is cause of negative economic consequences and even physical retaliation by angry family and community members (I don't agree with the violence part at all).

Does that mean there are very few genuinely virtuous women? Probably. But the fact that girls can calculate the economic and social consequences of their actions and not indulge in any kind of sex work and debauchery is good enough. So a girl who chooses not to do porn for money is at least a smart girl who can analyze things and will make a good wife.
Proverbs 13:24 (ESV) Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.


Keep your daughters in check or lose them forever

I am not saying that you need to get at her close fisted but it should be obvious by now what type of woman weak fathers, or no fathers at all, create
 
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