I don't think so, at least not if you "maintain frame" to use old terminology. If you're a high status person, especially, people look to you to set norms. Sure, you'll get blowback, but it needs to be done.
How about men stop fapping? That's a good place to start. I like the idea of discouraging it as publicly as possible to the ones who do. Not necessarily singling anyone out but just getting them to see it as shameful. If we respected ourselves enough to not expect women to save us maybe we could start to reclaim our own power that we fap away.I don't think there is much men can do to stop this at this point, because men are fueling it. Eventually pornography will hurt and disabuse and isolate so many women they will fight against it.
Start by mocking everyone involved - men and women. Shun them from your life and social circles. Ridicule is a powerful weapon.
These windows don't shift on their own. I like the idea.I'm pretty sure this will just result in you being being shunned. Overton window has shifted leftwards, today's conservatives would be liberals 15 years ago, people who are counter trash-culture are a tiny minority. With that said, one should definitely avoid people like that.
Its not about putting faith in women, in the same way that a men never red pilled me, it was a woman (by her actions). Women will only stop destroying themselves not when men tell them to stop, but when the costs become too high. It will be a self realization (though many will not have it)How about men stop fapping? That's a good place to start. I like the idea of discouraging it as publicly as possible to the ones who do. Not necessarily singling anyone out but just getting them to see it as shameful. If we respected ourselves enough to not expect women to save us maybe we could start to reclaim our own power that we fap away.
Indeed, in many ways America is becoming a third world country. I thought America's decline would be more like Britain's (ignoring the recent immigration which is very new there)--a quiet slide into a happy stable place that is no longer internationally relevant. But now I think that's wishful thinking.
America's immigration problem started when Britain and Spain started fighting over Florida. Its nothing new.
What gets lost in the poverty numbers are stats like this: 60% of Americans do not have $1,000 to cover emergencies.
Compared to the eighties or nineties, that is amazing. I remember when 30 year old men could pay for a mortgage in cash.
The US up to about the year 2000 was synonymous with a huge middle class. When I was young, you saw maybe one homeless person a year. I grew up in a Detroit suburb that is now abandoned. Something about US capitalism does not work. What it is, I don't know.
Now its like India. You have kids who were born in homeless camps and raised on streets like India, where limousines drive through people scavenging through feces on the street.
Hell, most black families do not have $1,000 in net worth.
Alot of that is having a kid at age 18. Or more than one. In this late techno-industrial stage, you're basically screwed. And if you have 4 kids with different women, you're screwed. You'll be in total poverty, as will your kids. Blacks are kind of out of step with stagnated wages and costs of living.
Meaning they could sell every single thing they own and wouldn't have $1,000 to show for it.
High-time preference, really. Also vices. Say you smoke an ounce of reefer a week. Also, they tend to be spendthrifts. You cannot sell a pair of used 400 dollar shoes.
60% of my countrymen are living and working in the "richest country in the world" and cannot afford 2 weeks of expenses. Third world people I've met all over the world are considered "poor" but they have enough money to pay their housing and food costs for a month if need be.
I live in SEA and my wife owns her house and property. Of course I paid for a renovation. My house would cost 500 K in the US and only cost 30 K here.
Most all of them own their houses or shacks, as mortgages aren't really used.
True. I've lived in India and even poor people have more space there than your average Jew businessman in Brooklyn who pays 4 K a month stacked like cord wood in a tiny apartment.
In that respect, they are wealthier than 60% of Americans. Yeah, America looks wealthy on paper, but that's the fallacy of looking at an exchange rate without comparing wages to expenses.
And that's America's poor.
As a Michigan by birth, you could drive from my typical suburb (My Dad made 50 K a year as a scientist and our house was 200 K in the eighties) which was mostly Irish-German and some Jews and as nice as Switzerland to what looked Haiti in 20 minutes. A Michigan trailer park is as bad as India.
I hear sob stories from single friends living in high cost of living cities making over $100k and they can barely scrape by. Yeah, a big mac is cheap here
Possibly the US government/oligarchy says "don't mess with the food supply or they might become Kulaks and revolt"
but actually affording basic needs turns out to be very expensive, and you better hope you don't need health care. Actually a real organic beef burger in most third world countries raised without GMO on a non-corn syrup bun, probably costs less than a Big Mac here.
No toys or tricks at all--except the trap (trick) that is camgirling in the first place.
This is a better suggestion to this problem. All social problems need to be cut at the root. While shaming/shunning cam girl/betas might slow the problem, people will just hide their behaviours. Re-wiring the way you look at the world is the best path. When I talk to people, I aim to show them that masturbation/homosexuality is essentially animalistic behaviour, and that only animals are ruled by lower urges, men are to be above this (EMJ was the first one to vividly impress this upon me in his book Libido Dominandi). Only when men change this frame of mind, will this sort of behaviour dry up.How about men stop fapping? That's a good place to start. I like the idea of discouraging it as publicly as possible to the ones who do. Not necessarily singling anyone out but just getting them to see it as shameful. If we respected ourselves enough to not expect women to save us maybe we could start to reclaim our own power that we fap away.
The costs already exist, in that thotting offers them more exposure to short term flings with elite men and respurce extraction from betas, but at the same time, taints their appeal for long term relationships with said elite men. Sub 9 women almost always make the mistake of offering up sexual depravity to alpha males in the mistaken assumption it will create and accelerate a bond. I watched this over and over with an alpha roommate of mine in my 20s. He’d pretty much ignore them, much less actually “date” them, and soon enough they’d be knocking on the door to ride his cock at 2am and out the door by 2:30, probably never to be seen again. He was laughing one day as he showed me a cheeay emotional postcard some random lay of his sent him while she was vacationing on student loans. He barely knew who she was. As long as women think any sort of behavior will ingratiate them with elite men, they WILL contine to do it.Its not about putting faith in women, in the same way that a men never red pilled me, it was a woman (by her actions). Women will only stop destroying themselves not when men tell them to stop, but when the costs become too high. It will be a self realization (though many will not have it)
Not the whole story. If there was strong social stigma that would provide its own disincentive as it did in the past. The determining factor is the erosion of social mores or codes of conduct. That's really what clown world is all about. If a society loses its moral compass it's pretty much impossible to get it back because how things are becomes the new-normal. If you grow up in an everything-goes society then that's the only world you've ever known and hence it will seem "normal". That's really the problem with human nature. We're too adaptable. So cultures go down slippery slopes and frogs boil in the pot.From a career perspective, any incel's funding is just too good of an offer to pass up (akin to any girl offering no strings attached sex to guys).