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Rob Banks

Pelican
↑Are you sure at least some of these types of pathetic tweets/comments are not trolls?

I mean, they have to be, right? How would that many men have such little self-respect?
 

brando

Sparrow
↑Are you sure at least some of these types of pathetic tweets/comments are not trolls?

I mean, they have to be, right? How would that many men have such little self-respect?
Not with the money these girls are getting.

You can tell from their avatar pictures of these men and it makes sense, the physiognomy is dead on, they're most likely overweight, video gamers, and obedient consumers.

Neekolul is that ok boomer girl that says online cam girls should be worshipped and that paying them money (simping) is "king shit"

There's the satanic inversion right there.
 
I didn't believe this phenomenon was real until I made a comment to a photographer buddy ridiculing "who would ever pay for that?" He is obese, and he admitted he subscribed to several OnlyFans in the past... it all made sense at that point. Guy probably has no realistic options of finding a partner, so this is his substitute for intimacy. It's really sad. I still don't understand paying real money when there is so much free degenerate content for anything one could possibly imagine, but I think it is filling an emotional need for a whole bunch of sad and lonely men. Plus the guy in question, he was doing it with girls he had actually met, so I suppose there is a fantasy aspect of it. These girls are initiating whatever content they are putting out there instead of some weird Jewish porn producer telling them what to do, so maybe they feel a bit better about that aspect as well.

I bet these guys don't know about the Dubai port-o-potty pipeline though.

He's actually a very kind guy and a good Christian. He doesn't live in my city so we don't have a lot of interaction but it would just take a little hard work and he'd feel a whole lot better and probably be datable. Then again, plenty of well put-together guys are also lonely...
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
I understand paying for things like porn or camgirl websites. I have done things like that in the past (and I regret it), but the whole time I was vey aware of the transactional nature of it. i just wanted to get off. I did not fool myself into thinking I was in some kind of relationship. I don't understand how anyone could do that.

If a camgirl I had rented ever tried to front like she wanted a deeper connection with me, it would just make me cringe. I would be insulted that she would take me for a pathetic idiot (although I'll admit that even using a camgirl website kind of did make me a pathetic idiot).
 
I understand paying for things like porn or camgirl websites. I have done things like that in the past (and I regret it), but the whole time I was vey aware of the transactional nature of it. i just wanted to get off. I did not fool myself into thinking I was in some kind of relationship. I don't understand how anyone could do that.

If a camgirl I had rented ever tried to front like she wanted a deeper connection with me, it would just make me cringe. I would be insulted that she would take me for a pathetic idiot (although I'll admit that even using a camgirl website kind of did make me a pathetic idiot).
Paying for the interaction IS entertaining the fantasy that maybe this girl will actually bond with you. These men know the chances are very small (still smaller than they think), but most of these men have the blue pill, nice guy worldview, that every other guy chatting with her is “abusive” or “creepy” but mr. white knight nice guy will woo her with his soft-ness. Look at the AMAs in reddit of girls who have done porn and regret it, nice guys think this is a jackpot because they assume these girls have been properly “turned” against the lure of strong males, and will run to the arms of a soft beta. Most young beta men grow up with the worldview that they are the ultimate desires of women if only they can be saved from aggressive alpha males and pervy rapists.
 
The determining factor is the erosion of social mores or codes of conduct. That's really what clown world is all about. If a society loses its moral compass it's pretty much impossible to get it back because how things are becomes the new-normal.
That's really the problem with human nature. We're too adaptable.
The other aspect of human nature is there's a LONG lag effect between people following a certain lifestyle and realizing whether it brought them the fulfillment they thought it would.
We almost always start out with the wrong programming and don't reprogram until AFTER we burn our hands in the fire. This happens collectively as well.
Using our own greatest strength against us. Our adaptable nature is just that.
Nothing wrong with a little social shaming as long as it doesn't become vengeful, in my opinion.
Avoidance in public is certainly a simple yet effective way to do that. Don't have to belittle them or anything, just don't be around those kind of people.
In a way it's kind of nice to have so many of them openly display themselves like this so much; it identifies the person as a THOT or a THOT endorser and that saves you having to figure that out by getting to know them; wasting your precious time.
 
Paying for the interaction IS entertaining the fantasy that maybe this girl will actually bond with you. These men know the chances are very small (still smaller than they think), but most of these men have the blue pill, nice guy worldview, that every other guy chatting with her is “abusive” or “creepy” but mr. white knight nice guy will woo her with his soft-ness. Look at the AMAs in reddit of girls who have done porn and regret it, nice guys think this is a jackpot because they assume these girls have been properly “turned” against the lure of strong males, and will run to the arms of a soft beta. Most young beta men grow up with the worldview that they are the ultimate desires of women if only they can be saved from aggressive alpha males and pervy rapists.
It disturbs me that this makes me think of all sexual interactions with women needing to somehow involve money, directly or indirectly. I hope that I'm the only one thinking that, and that it's just a me thing instead of a surreal truth.
I agree in a lot of ways because when I used to do that sort of transaction (it was when I decided paying a little for it was okay if it wasn't too much instead of finding free content that I realized this lifestyle couldn't and wouldn't work for me; call me cheap) I thought say a private show was more intimate or convincing a girl to try something she'd never done would make me special to her somehow.
But really the socializing is all a game. You have to see that in order to escape it.


↑Are you sure at least some of these types of pathetic tweets/comments are not trolls?

I mean, they have to be, right? How would that many men have such little self-respect?
I like your optimism. Gens Z and Y however, were programmed by pop culture, and too many friends with single mothers, that boys are worthless and to hate themselves.
 

Athanasius

Kingfisher
One of the reasons 19th century progressives pushed public schooling was to get kids in a sphere around people their own age, resulting in peer pressure, and more teacher authority, and a breakdown of the family model. In the past the model was kids apprenticing and learning from parents, extended family, the church, etc. The point is, young people should be encouraged to get opinions and guidance from their elders, particularly men in their 40s and up. So they don't end up like this.

One of the nice things about working from home is that I see a lot more out the window. Namely birds. Marvelous creatures whose beauty is just a little glimpse of eternity.
 

Jay

Pigeon
↑Are you sure at least some of these types of pathetic tweets/comments are not trolls?

I mean, they have to be, right? How would that many men have such little self-respect?
Lack of real life interaction with girls and clown world censorship of the their true nature, is the reason for incels in great quantity (who are way past their adolescence expiry date).
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
↑OK, but paying for a girl's attention and nakedness and then tricking yourself into thinking she cares about you romantically?

The mere thought of a man acting like that makes me want to cringe in second-hand shame and embarrassment.

Although I guess these types of guys are similar to guys who fall in love with hookers or strippers and try to "save" them.
 
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Jay

Pigeon
↑OK, but paying for a girl's attention and nakedness and then tricking yourself into thinking she cares about you romantically?

The mere thought of a man acting like that makes me want to cringe in second-hand shame and embarrassment.

Although I guess these types of guys are similar to guys who fall in love with hookers or strippers and try to "save" them.
Boys haven't realized due to above mentioned conditions or don't yet have the brainpower to realize, that simping for just sex is quite different to having an actual human relationship (including sex).
 
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Rob Banks

Pelican
This thread reminds me of a few weeks ago when someone posted a thread about a virtual sex video game that hooks up to a Fleshlight. The guy selling it claimed he was offering men a chance to experience "a true connection with a woman."

I just don't understand how people can attempt to replace true love, caring, and human connection with robots, computers, or people being paid to pretend they care.

I don't just mean this in regards to romantic love. I have heard stories about socially awkward kids who pay others to hang out with them, and I once saw an article claiming that people in the future would have robot pets.

Maybe I'm overreacting, but all of it makes me extremely sad and angry and makes me want to cringe so hard.
 
↑OK, but paying for a girl's attention and nakedness and then tricking yourself into thinking she cares about you romantically?

The mere thought of a man acting like that makes me want to cringe in second-hand shame and embarrassment.

Although I guess these types of guys are similar to guys who fall in love with hookers or strippers and try to "save" them.
Its the same reason SJWs paint blacks as some sort of benevolent, morally superior race, yet refuse to send their kids to majority black public schools or even live in neighborhoods with any sort of large contingent of them. Deep down, they know the truth, but they want to keep lying to themselves because it’s easier than facing reality. It’s easier to just keep sitting in front of the computer and keep being fooled, rather than admit you’ve bought a lie and to take responsibility to fix yourself. They think one day, the cam girl really WILL love them, and the sunk cost of their worldview will be justified. Once you’ve accepted a “truth”, the more you’ve based your life around that truth, the harder you resist debunking said truth, even its proven false right in front of you. If you believe your tribe will still defend said truth, you will have to risk losing their support if you wish to confront it.
 
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Jaszczurka

Sparrow
Sharing my insights as an "old man". Well, a little older than Roosh. Roosh, I live in Falls Church with my family and a large garden. Come and visit, no mask required. Sometimes, a (rather scraggly) fox wanders into it.

This whole e-thot thing, I think, speaks to the heart of weak, western masculinity. Men as sexual beggars. Back in the 80's, before game, I had this intuitive sense that if I begged for sex from women, and women regarded weak men as undesirable, then it would require me to mess with my own head to "win". I resolved at that time to not regard sex as something as I would need from women. Only once I had control of my own sexuality, could I hope to have respect from women, from myself, and personal peace. That control, for me, meant different than what it might mean for many here (that's not the point) but the objective was this: If a woman said she didn't want to have sex with me, I wasn't crushed. It was like whether I got a bag of potato chips or not. I could enjoy them, but I could also live without them.

I was so controversial at that time (keep in this, this was USENET and before game), I even objected to paying for dates. IMO, if a woman made a decent living, she could accept personal responsibility for the expenses of meeting someone. But later in life, I matured and accepted that culture, and a woman's higher SMV at that point in her life, meant I had to cough up a few dates. But due to the paradox above, I did my best to keep that down to a minimum.

Nothing says "I pass your sh*t test" better than being a cheap b*astard.

Now here's the thing, and why all that fluff above is necessary: We have a culture of men being judged by their ability to be accepted by women. There's no need to give an e-thot hundreds of dollars to see their nude videos when googling "naked boobs" gets plenty of better stuff. But they emotionally feel a need of validation from these women, no matter how trivial, and that's where the problem lies. Their parents, and culture, hasn't empowered them to respect themselves. They feel they need to earn validation from women, at all costs. And our individualist, consumerist culture doesn't have a support system to tell these men that they have self-worth. You're only worth what you earn. Few institutions exist that say any differently, aside from the church.

I just realized how I escaped this paradigm: I chose to befriend old women. Women who were lonely and were virtuous whose husbands had passed on. I'd like my daughter to later to go the old folks home and help senior citizens, war heroes, grandmothers, and good people who are forgotten by society but have a lot to offer. I am friends with wonderful old women who are true friends from an era when men and families were valued. I didn't see if they were beautiful from their old photos but as women and friends, they meant a lot to me. I'm also friends with a lot of old, crachety war heroes. In the past, many of them have passed on. WWII fighters, Korean war veterans, old housewives whose kids have moved out. Bond with these guys and gals and you'll get a time machine into a different era. I earned their respect.

No e-thot holds a candle to them.

Becoming a monk to find spiritual enlightenment is quite a challenge (I'm not up to it). Most of us need human connections but we don't want to be exploited by those connections. If a SIMP feels a need for an e-thot, I pity him. I don't despise him. But sadly, the leftist culture has been made up of SIMPs for some time now as they mock and betray guys like me as "oppressors' even as I merely just want to work for a living and support my family. Not THAT erases any sympathy I have for such men. But then again, if most simps who pay for e-thots are politically leftist, I'm emotionally conflicted. As the Pope told Michael in Godfather III: horrid sins are meant to make the sinner suffer.
 
I'd like my daughter to later to go the old folks home and help senior citizens, war heroes, grandmothers, and good people who are forgotten by society but have a lot to offer. I am friends with wonderful old women who are true friends from an era when men and families were valued.
If they are such wonderful people, why are they alone and abandoned in some old age home. Why aren't they living with their families or being visited regularly by them? Isn't it possible that they themselves were materialistic individuals in their youth and hence did not create a strong bond with their children and grandchildren.
 
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Jaszczurka

Sparrow
If they are such wonderful people, why are they alone and abandoned in some old age home. Why aren't they living with their families or being visited regularly by them? Isn't it possible that they themselves were materialistic individuals in their youth and hence did not create a strong bond with their children and grandchildren.
Alpha, in answer to your question, they're forgotten by "society" because so many of their friends have died, and their children/grandchildren moved away OR gotten distracted by modern values. They're not TOTALLY forgotten, but their kids and grandkids are doing other things. They do get visits but daily interaction is another matter.

For me, I met a lot of them delivering newspapers (yeah, I know, what's a newspaper? :) but also from friends and their kids. I rented a room from one. Their kids might be bored out of their minds by their stories but I found them fascinating. I gave them a fresh perspective than what they got from their kids.

Some of them just didn't get married for some reasons or have kids. In one case, my aunt whom I bonded with, her husband died in a coal mine, she didn't get remarried or have kids, and she was terribly lonely. I found it sad (now particularly that I'm older) that our culture didn't give her the tools to "game" and find a man and remarry.

I know of several old folks who have actually OUTLIVED their kids and grandkids. I think it's farm-living versus city living. Fresh meat and veggies on the farms helps folks who aren't particularly attractive live exceptionally long lives.
 

Geomann180

Ostrich
Gold Member
In the not-too distant future, the sort that maybe myself, my children will inhabit, or my grandchildren will inhabit, there will exist a society that will take almost all agency from women in their lives, seeing what they do with it...and what they don't.

It will become common knowledge that giving them choices outside of a pre-appproved multiple choice test, will lead to nothing but destruction.

It will be common knowledge to keep women out of men's organizations knowing what an excess of women does to the organizations and then women who'd then inhabit the husk of what used to be a productive institution, a bright light snuffed out by onlyfans and equal rights, leaving noone with any rights at all.

Wald
 

kel

Pelican
I'm not optimistic enough to believe that I (or anyone on this board) will live to see it. Maybe our kids or grandkids. Maybe. I think there's still a lot of room for cope, unfortunately.
 
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