OnlyFans / Online camgirls

Jaszczurka

Sparrow
The Silky Sasquatch noted during his last livestream that some of the women doing this kind of stuff are quite plain but I believe that taps into something the forum has discussed before, that a lot of men have so little self confidence that a highly attractive woman could not successfully sell these omega males a believable fantasy relationship.

The 5's and 6's (managing their filters to become 6's and 7's) are going to get a lot more attention on these platforms than most people might expect because the reality is that this kind of faux-relationship they're selling has to be at least plausible in terms of what such an omega male might believe he was capable of attaining in real life if it weren't for the various factors real and imaginary they credit for their lack of companionship.
I noticed this back in the 1980's that guys in engineering (Penn State U) who were dealing with low social skills already and a high male:female ratio on campus tended to hit on and beta-orbit plain girls. My friend and I went out to a bar and saw a half dozen guys almost literally orbiting a Rosie O'Donnell lookalike. We got depressed, finished up our brews, and got out of there.

Sort of funny thing happened with our friendship circle. One guy literally married the first girl he laid. She was spoiled (but from a rich family) and plain looking even with beer goggles on. He's happily married to her 32 years later.

The other guy who was pretty red pilled nonetheless found a decent looking, albeit rather harsh,outright feminist willing to have sex with him. I WARNED the guy to not have sex with her and didn't hear from him for 4 months. I called him and said: "I won't say I told you so.." and he said "thanks." We laughed. He had a lovely daughter with her, never married, and then broke up with her about 10 years later. She moved back in with her father in a nice house in New Hope, PA.

I decided, this is back in the 80's now, that if I couldn't have a decent looking (by my standards) woman, who treated me with basic respect, then it just wasn't worth it. I didn't get married until 12 years later.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
Earlier on this thread I made the claim that not all women can make money with OnlyFans. I said there was probably an 20/80 split, just like with men, where the top 20 percent get all the action.

I've returned today with some proof. The below Instagram post is by a girl I know who attempted to do OnlyFans. Her attempt has failed. She's cute and sexy, but not really A-List. But she was popular enough on Instagram to have dreams of dollars falling out of the sky.

Word is no one signed up, despite her prices already being cheap and her content being extremely X-Rated. I was tempted to see a local girl I knew "do porn." But that novelty is not worth paying for, no matter how cheap.

Moral? There is a difference between what men will click "like" for and what they'll shell out money for. This is not a route most women can go to make money.
 

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Yatagan

Pelican
Gold Member
Earlier on this thread I made the claim that not all women can make money with OnlyFans. I said there was probably an 20/80 split, just like with men, where the top 20 percent get all the action.

I've returned today with some proof. The below Instagram post is by a girl I know who attempted to do OnlyFans. Her attempt has failed. She's cute and sexy, but not really A-List. But she was popular enough on Instagram to have dreams of dollars falling out of the sky.

Word is no one signed up, despite her prices already being cheap and her content being extremely X-Rated. I was tempted to see a local girl I knew "do porn." But that novelty is not worth paying for, no matter how cheap.

Moral? There is a difference between what men will click "like" for and what they'll shell out money for. This is not a route most women can go to make money.
There's only so many simps to fleece at any given moment.
 

Renee Gracie, an Australian race car driver, has become an OnlyFans ethot. Says her dad is proud of her decision cause she is making good money. This woman is just 25 and certainly could have raced for a few more years. But being an amateur pornstar is easier :rolleyes::sneaky:

Even her wiki page says in the first sentence "Renee Gracie (born 5 January 1995) is an Australian adult film actress and former female racing driver.[1]":hmm::laughter:

So many more women are going to follow her and other minor celebs like her. But there's got be a limit to how many ethots the market can support. Any guesses?
 
A video by one of my favorite red pill channel speakers, Better Bachelor... He uses Renee Gracie as an example of how some women will do anything for lots of money, especially if it is an easy way out. I am pretty shocked she went the porn route, considering her previous career/status, but then she is Australian, and their women have a reputation for being very sexually open/loose. And I believe prostitution is legal there, too.

 

Kamdeva

Newbie
Maybe because of the oil prices, the desert sheikhs aren't splurging on thots. All those teases on Instagrams are just classified ads for escorting. Once there was shame in escorting so there were special websites, where you'd only have pictures without face or a high enough registration fee to view the face. Being outed would've ruined any chance of career and would've also made finding a marriage partner difficult as the society,mostly suburban communities, didn't look kindly on prostitutes. Today these girls spend their lives living in studio apartments in metro cities and only have similar friends. Their female friends are doing the same thing and the male friends are videographing. The shamelessness is so brazen that nothing could even get through to them.

Sadly too many simps with more money than sense will keep this trend afloat for couple more years.
 
What the whole porn/ethot industry proves is the biologically high sex drive of men. When men don't get access to women, they either turn to raping and looting like primitive tribes did or in today's world become simps.
 

kamoz

Kingfisher
Gold Member
Word is no one signed up, despite her prices already being cheap and her content being extremely X-Rated. I was tempted to see a local girl I knew "do porn." But that novelty is not worth paying for, no matter how cheap.

Moral? There is a difference between what men will click "like" for and what they'll shell out money for. This is not a route most women can go to make money.
Not only that but virtually all OF profiles have absolutely no preview. Zero, nada. It just has the usual screen with the price to pay. Nobody is going to pay for something if they can’t have a sample or get an idea. Not only that but there’s also a stigma to having any sort of record that you paid for something like that.

I at first thought it was because OnlyFans didn’t have a means for a preview. But I looked into it and I believe you can if you choose to. Just goes to show these dumb broads don’t have a freaking clue when it comes to business and marketing - universally across the board! The only ones that are somewhat successful probably have some kind of pimp/manager.
 

Lazuli Waves

Woodpecker
It took me a while to watch Roosh's OnlyFans video because I find this topic particularly depressing. The people who sell themselves in this way don't understand the harm they are doing to themselves. It's of course also harmful to those who follow the prostitutes. It is deceptive because to them it doesn't feel like being a pornographic actor or prostitute. It's almost like virtual reality, except it isn't. It is new and there aren't as many warnings about it. In fact, the media and college newspapers (I did a Google search and quickly found four articles promoting it), encourage it. Do most parents even know this exists? Do religious leaders?

My thought after watching the video was I wish there was a way to help at least a few of these women/men. Given Roosh's past and his current position, maybe at some point a woman will reach out to him for help and he can offer support via email. It would be nice if there were a resource for people who wanted to recover from this.
 

Jaszczurka

Sparrow
Every action has unintended consequences.

Women doing OnlyFans will be no different. Even though it's a relatively small percentage of women, it will have a ripple effect. Men are going to see all women as being "for sale" in some way.

You can't commodify yourself to this degree without it having some larger cultural effect.

For decades, women have been trying to be taken seriously in the workplace and not be seen as just sex objects. (This is already a non-starter because of biology, but bear with me here.) OnlyFans is going to reset all that. It's making women commodities first and humans a distant second.

What's worse is that it's condoned by Big Tech -- who a lot of people unconsciously view as our pseudo-religious overlords.

We're just discovering OnlyFans, but there is a generation of young guys out there growing up with their peers "for sale." Think about that. It's going to affect all male-female relationships in some way.
"For decades, women have been trying to be taken seriously in the workplace and not be seen as just sex objects."

This line makes me think a bit in assessing our free will. At what point does a young woman join The Hive Mind and start thinking she needs to be taken seriously in the workplace and not be seen as just sex objects? Do they have a collective brain on this?

Whether it's white knights or feminists, "the blue pill" is about people going along to get along with the dominant culture. Do women really "try to be taken seriously in the workplace" or is that more of a function of them just doing what other women around them do?

Check out the Abilene Paradox:

What makes the red pill so much more desirable for men is that there's little modern reward for being blue pilled. Back in the 80's, white knights commonly thought that their (wussy) beta game worked and it did. If they mocked a red pill guy, bought a gal dinner, and largely did what they were told, most could have families and kids. Sometimes she might divorce him later because she got 'bored' (saw that quite a bit) but most times, no.

There are "red pilled" women who simply go on with their lives invisibly. You don't see them but they perhaps take care of themselves, get a husband and kids, and are happy and aside from costco or church, you won't notice them. There are women who don't mind being "just sex objects" in the clubs, they quickly destroy themselves.

So apart from those, the career women who "want to be taken seriously" represent a fraction of women, really. A large fraction but nonetheless, women do have a free will and exercise it.

Since our culture largely doesn't provide "wife education", it's the whole educational system (even private education) that pushes women to be taken seriously at work because that's how education is structured: like work. They do exams and papers and get graded. In the old days, "school" for women was helping take care of relatives, siblings, other relatives' kids and such and helping around the house with chores. Most women don't see their income as something that is used to negotiate a better mate like men do hence, it drives their independence streak further: Her income is either for more goodies she wants OR in case she gets divorced and needs to support a family on her own (and increasingly, if she doesn't "find" a worthy husband at all.)

Few women have the resources of a book like Game to genuinely improve their odds at finding a good husband (aside from self-help books geared towards women to remind them to do the usual cartel moves of waiting for men to approach them. Hence, being a corporate drone is what they know best.

But that's because that's water and they're a fish and it's so much more comfortable than being a man which is sort of like being a frog on a boiling frying pan.
 
I agree with a lot of the sentiments about the nature of women stated here.

However I keep coming back to a religious POV - Catholic POV.

Take the garden.
Eve had it all. The perfect mate - she is literally from him.
The perfect life - she is literally living in paradise.
The utmost harmony with God Himself - she speaks with and walks with Him.
At some point she thinks: “Eh, I could do better.”
Bam!
* Crunch crunch crunch.

Is this wrong?
Are women actually this way?
If so, they should not be allowed any civil rights outside of being someones daughter, sister, wife or a monastic.

Women seen in this regard necessitates that they are essentially children in adult bodies.
I would say most men are at this point the same.
Myself included - often.

But deep down I do not believe this.
They do have agency and need to be treated as such.
Laws protecting and promoting the worst base nature of us (women) need to be repealed.
Women aren’t dumb. They know what they are doing.

It seems that based on church teachings, history and anecdotes women tend to destroy and men tend to cower.
This takes place in different ways.
Implicitly and explicitly.
The sins of Eve and the sins of Adam.

God obviously thought Eve had enough agency to punish her specifically and not just Adam - He didn’t say, “well you’re the man and you need to lead her and Eve is a buffoon.” No.

Sonetimes I think saying, women are this and women are that, gets them off the hook. Plus it might make some of us feel more in control of something we will never control without God - our own and their own base weaknesses.
 
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Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Americans are sadly trapped in their liberty ethos on this matter as are most Western nations albeit to a lesser degree.

God>Church>Man>Woman>Child

A woman may legally instruct/punish her child. Nobody doubts this for a second. But what happens if you suggest that a man should have the same legal power over his wife that a mother has over her children?

Well even 95% of "conservatives" would flip out and basically disown you.

One of the less pleasant aspects of this journey is discovering that even the supposedly great aspects of Western society as we know it are actually garbage. For the vast majority of our time as civilized men, women were not arrested, charged and prosecuted for their foolishness. It was understood that their husband would "discipline" them, to the extent that things like rule of thumb were established as acceptable guidelines for the practice.

It may be painful to accept, but the moment that legal right was revoked then everything which followed was just a matter of time. Ultimately if a woman can misbehave and a husband has no ultimate form of authority over her then he is not a patriarch, he is just a provider demanding she come to reason, with results similar to what unfolds when mothers are forbidden by law to smack their children and must resort to negotiating as an equal with a five year old throwing a tantrum.
 
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Enigma

Hummingbird
Gold Member
What the whole porn/ethot industry proves is the biologically high sex drive of men. When men don't get access to women, they either turn to raping and looting like primitive tribes did or in today's world become simps.
Or they learn to control themselves like dignified, moral adults.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
"For decades, women have been trying to be taken seriously in the workplace and not be seen as just sex objects."

This line makes me think a bit in assessing our free will. At what point does a young woman join The Hive Mind and start thinking she needs to be taken seriously in the workplace and not be seen as just sex objects? Do they have a collective brain on this?

Whether it's white knights or feminists, "the blue pill" is about people going along to get along with the dominant culture. Do women really "try to be taken seriously in the workplace" or is that more of a function of them just doing what other women around them do?

Check out the Abilene Paradox:

What makes the red pill so much more desirable for men is that there's little modern reward for being blue pilled. Back in the 80's, white knights commonly thought that their (wussy) beta game worked and it did. If they mocked a red pill guy, bought a gal dinner, and largely did what they were told, most could have families and kids. Sometimes she might divorce him later because she got 'bored' (saw that quite a bit) but most times, no.

There are "red pilled" women who simply go on with their lives invisibly. You don't see them but they perhaps take care of themselves, get a husband and kids, and are happy and aside from costco or church, you won't notice them. There are women who don't mind being "just sex objects" in the clubs, they quickly destroy themselves.

So apart from those, the career women who "want to be taken seriously" represent a fraction of women, really. A large fraction but nonetheless, women do have a free will and exercise it.

Since our culture largely doesn't provide "wife education", it's the whole educational system (even private education) that pushes women to be taken seriously at work because that's how education is structured: like work. They do exams and papers and get graded. In the old days, "school" for women was helping take care of relatives, siblings, other relatives' kids and such and helping around the house with chores. Most women don't see their income as something that is used to negotiate a better mate like men do hence, it drives their independence streak further: Her income is either for more goodies she wants OR in case she gets divorced and needs to support a family on her own (and increasingly, if she doesn't "find" a worthy husband at all.)

Few women have the resources of a book like Game to genuinely improve their odds at finding a good husband (aside from self-help books geared towards women to remind them to do the usual cartel moves of waiting for men to approach them. Hence, being a corporate drone is what they know best.

But that's because that's water and they're a fish and it's so much more comfortable than being a man which is sort of like being a frog on a boiling frying pan.
"At what point does a young woman join The Hive Mind and start thinking she needs to be taken seriously in the workplace and not be seen as just sex objects? Do they have a collective brain on this?"

What I'm saying is that if enough girls are selling themselves online, this will affect all women. In other words, the image of women per se will change. The actions of the few will affect the many.

The girl who just wants to be a paralegal or scientist will be affected in some way because scads of camgirls very gradually altered the image of women from "people we date" to "people who will do any pervy thing for a price."

As I've said before, this was UNTHINKABLE even in the 1990s. If you asked even the most liberated girl to strip for money, you'd probably get slapped -- and ostracized for being a "perv." Now it's extremely commonplace everywhere, from cam girls to movies to pop music stars.

To use a circus analogy: Prostitution and nude modeling were always seen as a sideshow in our culture. That sideshow is becoming the main attraction. What we consider normal is changing. "Prostitution" used to mean abnormal. When it comes to mean "normal," the smart alec phrase "all women prostitutes" will become an inescapable and unfortunate definition for all women in some way.
 

Max Roscoe

Woodpecker
God>Church>Man>Woman>Child

A woman may legally instruct/punish her child. Nobody doubts this for a second. But what happens if you suggest that a man should have the same legal power over his wife that a mother has over her children?

Well even 95% of "conservatives" would flip out and basically disown you.
What's nuts is that in about half the weddings I attend, this is overtly stated by the pastor, as he instructs the woman to submit to her husband's authority. The commandment to the husband is to love your wife. The commandment to the wife is to obey the husband. How many even hear this line, or are they just thinking about the flight to Maui that afternoon for the honeymoon?

At my cousin's wedding last year, the pastor explained this a bit further, and explained to the woman that yes, there will be times you are feeling stubborn, and doubt that what your husband is saying is right. But remember that he is the representative of Christ in your house. It is at that time that it is most important that you submit to him. And to the groom he said, there will be times that your wife is in a foul mood, and you will not feel like coming home that night, or being kind and loving to her. But it is at that time that she is in greatest need of your love.
 

Jaszczurka

Sparrow
A video by one of my favorite red pill channel speakers, Better Bachelor... He uses Renee Gracie as an example of how some women will do anything for lots of money, especially if it is an easy way out. I am pretty shocked she went the porn route, considering her previous career/status, but then she is Australian, and their women have a reputation for being very sexually open/loose. And I believe prostitution is legal there, too.

A possibility opened itself up to me. Hear me out.

Check out this article about Renee Gracie:

Simp behavior in the west is due to a combination of factors including socio-economic competition, feminism/leftism, and of course, hormones and sex addiction.

The question becomes then that if a simp exists, what's the worst way for him to live through that lifestyle?

Back in the 80's, before any of this, I knew a lot of simps and man, it was pretty sad to watch. They'd take out gals on dozens of dates a month sucking their bank accounts dry. One guy asked out 100 women in a month, got all rejections. Not only was this devastating on his self-esteem but I'm sure it didn't make the women more respectful towards men. These guys were also white knight male feminists.

So OF makes me wonder, maybe when this pans out, will there be overall LESS simping out there per capita?

Early adopters, the pioneers, either fail spectacularly or succeed wildly. So sure, the first women to dive into this may make out like bandits but look at how Renee foolishly encourages other women friends to get into it as if there's unlimited simp supply.

And in a way, she may be onto something. The article states that a lot of her fans are in Asia. But she doesn't appear to be interested in them romantically (which is part of the simp fantasy.) What this could mean is that such women are milking simps from outside of their culture and conceivable romantic interest.

At least local simps had even a SMALL chance at their long shot dinner date working out.

And even if, say a few thousand women like this all get large mansions paid for by mostly international simps, the local Australian simp men at least will not be throwing their self-esteem into the gutter in a hopeless attempt to beta-woo the other Australian women. Perhaps. I'm probably wrong.

But I'm guessing is that simps are gonna simp. Unless they find a way to constructively control their own lives such as religion, personal self-improvement, introspection, etc. the question is which form of simping is the worst. Yes, if EVERY woman was doing this, that would be bad but I don't think that would be economically sustainable. At least not in the long run.

Apparently, she wants something like 12 bucks a month to be thousands of men's pretend girlfriend. Sheesh, that's a bargain compared to the guys in the 80's I knew.
 
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