Orgasm without ejaculation

[Shemp]

^I figured a lot of people here would react strongly to that note about opening the anus, but since I mostly steer people to Mantak Chia for further information, and he doesn't discuss that, I thought I should mention it. Not trying to troll. One thing that occurred to me just now is that Mantak Chia and the other Taoists all come from East Asia, where squatting and sitting cross legged is much more common than in the modern West. Muscular control, muscular strength and muscular relaxation in the pelvic area are the keys to mastering sexual kung fu, and of course squatting and sitting cross legged affect precisely that area of the body, perhaps in such a way to eliminate problem of excess tension around the anus, and that's why they never address the issue.

 

[whatday]

I'm an expert at this. I can easily have 50 orgasms a day now, though these are valley rather than peak orgasms to use Master Chia's terminology.

No girl is letting you fuck her 50 times a day, that would take a barrel of lube, even for an 18 year old nympho.

Your dick must look like it went through a meat grinder...your hand probably has what's left of a dick imprinted on it...

 

[whatday]

One thing some modern Tantra experts recommend, but which Master Chia and the other Taoists never mention, is opening the anus using a dildo.

Shit just got real.

 

[Shemp]

>>No girl is letting you fuck her 50 times a day, that would take a barrel of lube, even for an 18 year old nympho.

You don't have 50 episodes of sex. What happens is a series of orgasms during a single episode of sex, one after another, and you still don't feel depleted afterwards. Usually I go 30 or so minutes in missionary, then my arms/chest tire from holding myself up. During that 30 minutes I have as many orgasms as I want, at least 20 but 50 is possible. I try not to count, but rather focus on enjoying the moment. I finish my current girl with cunnilingus because she can't cum unless the man has a peak orgasm, which I refuse to do, and even then it's not certain with her. Cunnilingus gives me much better control.

There's also sexual kung fu with multiple orgasms for women, and Mantak Chia has books for that, but no girlfriend had ever been willing to listen to my talk on this subject: in one ear, out the other. I have known several multiply orgasmic girlfriends, however. Ability to have multiple orgasms, one after another, is much much easier for women than men. One old girlfriend in particular used to have 30 or so violent screaming orgasms in a row, finally begging me to stop. It wasn't that I'm some great sex God, it's that she had incredibly strong pelvic muscles, which is the key to multiple orgasms. Also very strong core muscles, which is closely related. She didn't realize what a prodigy she was, though she mentioned lots of men told her she was incredible. I guess she thought we were referring to her looks (she was a looker, I must admit) or personality (batshit crazy).

And yes, solo cultivation of enlightenment, or sharpening the pencil as Mantak Chia calls it on one of his videos, but which most guys refer to as masturbation, is an important part of mastering sexual kung fu. Dual cultivation is just way too difficult until you've first mastered solo cultivation. I have injured my penis in the past (rubbed skin raw) from excessive masturbation but I learned my lesson and know when to stop now.

 

[JackinMelbourne]

^I figured a lot of people here would react strongly to that note about opening the anus

Yeah, I mean reverse kegels do the same job. Why go straight for the dildo up your arse?

 

[Shemp]

I just googled reverse kegels. Sounds like a very good idea. I was familiar with regular kegels to strengthen the pelvic floor but relaxation is equally important. Multi-orgasmic ability requires relaxed pelvis most of the time, tightening at crucial moments, and perfect control to get the exact timing and extent of tightening right.

As for dildo in the anus, I'm just passing on an idea I read in the tantra forums long ago. Several people were adamant on insisting that modern western men are excessively upright about the anus: all those stories of being raped in prison we hear in high school, terrified of being thought homosexual, giggling about how third world peasants clean their anus with the left hand after defecating, etc. And then there's the obsession lots of guys have with anal sex (with girls) and licking the anus of girls or having their own anus licked. At once repelled by everything to do with the anus and then strangely attracted to it at the same time. Dildo, or maybe a butt plug it was they were discussing, was a way to confront and overcome these hangups and treat the anus as just another part of the body. But reverse kegels sounds even better because it directly addresses the tension.

(As an aside, I've never engaged in anal sex with a girl and never plan to, though I've had offers. I really don't understand why did many guys want to get their cock covered in shit when there's a nice vagina available. Nor do I see the appeal of anus licking, either as giver or receiver.)

Like I noted, I had few problems myself getting the orgasm energy to jump from genitals across the anus and then up the backbone and finally down the front of the body into the stomach, thus completing the microcosmic orbit. But apparently, from reading those forums, that's a problem with many guys. My problem was keeping those mutinous sperm under control. After several valley orgasms, I used to let my guard dowm and they'd take advantage of my temporary weakness to burst loose.

[Update] here's the article I googled on reverse kegels, and other articles on website also good, as good as Mantak Chia:

https://www.nateliason.com/blog/reverse-kegels
https://www.nateliason.com/blog/multiple-orgasms-men

 

[RatInTheWoods]

I mastered this as a young lad, after coming across a book to teach the technique.

It is pretty hard to master, but I got there after a few months.

It's a cool trick, and all that, but the quality of orgasim is less than a "relaxed one" since you are tensing and concentrating on the holdback.

It's far better, and more useful to just teach yourself to cum normally only when you want to during sex, ie hold on (for hours if you want to) in order to be able to fuck a woman beyond what she wants, and to get your fill of the fucking enjoyment. This is easier to learn and results in far superior orgasims if you have held on and edged for 2 hours....

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I must have a lot of tension in my anus, I do kind of freak out when anything goes near it with an intent to enter

A common daily coincidence for sure :monkey:

 

[Shemp]

>>This is easier to learn and results in far superior orgasims if you have held on and edged for 2 hours....

Valley orgasms and edging are two different things. The peak orgasm is more intense than the valley orgasm but it is NOT better, because it leads to post-coital sadness and all the other problems the no-fap guys warn about. (No-fap focuses on masturbation because that's the only way most guys have a chance to have unlimited orgasms, but a guy with a true harem world have similar problems. Indeed, it was notorious that kings in the past who spent too much time with their harem turned into weaklings.) I also "mastered" the technique of squeezing very quickly, but that is not real mastery. Real mastery involves relaxation more than tensing, which is much more difficult. Took many years to fully master the technique.

You also need to be older, like past 50, to appreciate just how depleting peak orgasms are to older men. For a young guy, it really doesn't matter that much.

 

[redpillage]

I must have a lot of tension in my anus, I do kind of freak out when anything goes near it with an intent to enter

A common daily coincidence for sure :monkey:

Don't you hate it when that happens?

Back in the 80s as a young buck I was banging this new wave gal who was a bit on the kinky side. We're getting it on and suddenly she sticks her fingers right up there. Was not appreciated to be honest and fortunately it was the one and last time any gal tried this.

It's unnatural wanting to be penetrated as a man, period. No if and no butts ;-)

 

[Shemp]

https://www.nateliason.com/blog/multiple-orgasms-men

I wrote previously that the above is as good as Mantak Chia but I now retract that statement. This guy emphasizes the clenching too much, same as Rat in the Woods, same as Tim Ferriss. You have to read some of Mantak Chia's advanced woo-woo books to learn the higher techniques involving relaxation. You want to move the focus of orgasm away from the head of the penis, deep into the body, then up the backbone. It took me a long time but now I tend to have orgasms at the heart or throat chakra. The long run goal is bring the orgasm all the way to the top of the head, pineal gland chakra. Though be careful about holding too much energy in the head. Bring it down to the stomach if you feel a headache. With enough practice, you can have mild orgasms without even manipulating your penis. Sexual energy just flows constantly from genitals up the backbone.

And I'm sure there are higher levels I haven't explored myself yet. Advanced yogis can get an erection and orgasm, with or without ejaculation, while sitting in lotus and not even touching themselves. Human body is capable of much more than we think.

 

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I must have a lot of tension in my anus, I do kind of freak out when anything goes near it with an intent to enter

A common daily coincidence for sure :monkey:

Don't you hate it when that happens?

Back in the 80s as a young buck I was banging this new wave gal who was a bit on the kinky side. We're getting it on and suddenly she sticks her fingers right up there. Was not appreciated to be honest and fortunately it was the one and last time any gal tried this.

It's unnatural wanting to be penetrated as a man, period. No if and no butts ;-)

Maybe I'm just incredibly lucky, but I have to say that "that" has never happened to me. My life has been blessedly free of objects and creatures attempting to get past my sphincter.

 

[crudeloyalist]

>>This is easier to learn and results in far superior orgasims if you have held on and edged for 2 hours....

Valley orgasms and edging are two different things. The peak orgasm is more intense than the valley orgasm but it is NOT better, because it leads to post-coital sadness and all the other problems the no-fap guys warn about. (No-fap focuses on masturbation because that's the only way most guys have a chance to have unlimited orgasms, but a guy with a true harem world have similar problems. Indeed, it was notorious that kings in the past who spent too much time with their harem turned into weaklings.) I also "mastered" the technique of squeezing very quickly, but that is not real mastery. Real mastery involves relaxation more than tensing, which is much more difficult. Took many years to fully master the technique.

You also need to be older, like past 50, to appreciate just how depleting peak orgasms are to older men. For a young guy, it really doesn't matter that much.

Shemp is putting out useful info here. Post-coital sadness is real and no joke. I'm still relatively young but I've noticed a gradual decrease of motivation after orgasms that makes it hard to justify the amount of time and energy spent chasing girls.

 

[kbell]

I like this shemp stuff. I will have to research that. But the anal probe stuff.

 

[Shemp]

Regarding the anal probe, I think I mentioned that I used to hang around Tantra forums and I learned s great desl from them, not just about orgasm without ejaculation but many other things about human sexuality. But I always felt like the Tantra people were a little crazy, which I why I always recommend learning from the Taoists, who seen much more level headed. especially Mantak Chia, who I respectfully refer to as Master Chia because of the great gift of so much wisdom regarding sexuality I received from him, at the very low cost of whatever his books cost back then.

Short digression: the ancient Indus river civilization was where so much ancient wisdom was discovered. That civilization was disrupted by the Aryan invasion, which established a new language (Sanskrit) and religion (Hinduism), causing loss of much ancient wisdom. What was preserved was then put into cryptic form, because it was considered threatening by the Hindu priests. The wisdom later made its way to China/Japan, where the obscurity was somewhat cleaned up by the ancient Taoists/Buddhists. Mantak Chia has done a good job further clarifying the ideas into a form that we modern westerners can understand and apply.

Anyway, while poking around recently, I found out the source of that anal probe idea. When I first encountered it in the Tantra forums, it was in a form that seemed plausible and everyone in the forum insisted it was a good idea. Now I realize this Vartman pervert had infiltrated the forum with his associates and was mixing good ideas with bad, so as to lure people into his sex cult. You can read all about Vartman and his sex cult in the linked articles below:

https://gurumag.com/the-mad-hatter-inside-alex-vartmans-the-new-tantra

https://medium.com/@beadominic/tnt-23fbd13bca3d

[Update] Everyone here complains about redpill/right-wing men being censored, but it looks like the woman who exposed that pervert Vartman was also recently censured:

https://gurumag.com/medium-com-bans-journalist-be-scofield-after-sex-cult-expose/