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<blockquote data-quote="Shemp" data-source="post: 12010" data-attributes="member: 15314">&gt;&gt;This is easier to learn and results in far superior orgasims if you have held on and edged for 2 hours....Valley orgasms and edging are two different things. The peak orgasm is more intense than the valley orgasm&nbsp; but it is NOT better, because it leads to post-coital sadness and all the other problems the no-fap guys warn about. (No-fap focuses on masturbation because that's the only way most guys have a chance to have unlimited orgasms, but a guy with a true harem world have similar problems. Indeed, it was notorious that kings in the past who spent too much time with their harem turned into weaklings.) I also &quot;mastered&quot; the technique of squeezing very quickly, but that is not real mastery. Real mastery involves relaxation more than tensing, which is much more difficult. Took many years to fully master the technique.You also need to be older, like past 50, to appreciate just how depleting peak orgasms are to older men. For a young guy, it really doesn't matter that much.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Shemp, post: 12010, member: 15314"] >>This is easier to learn and results in far superior orgasims if you have held on and edged for 2 hours.... Valley orgasms and edging are two different things. The peak orgasm is more intense than the valley orgasm but it is NOT better, because it leads to post-coital sadness and all the other problems the no-fap guys warn about. (No-fap focuses on masturbation because that's the only way most guys have a chance to have unlimited orgasms, but a guy with a true harem world have similar problems. Indeed, it was notorious that kings in the past who spent too much time with their harem turned into weaklings.) I also "mastered" the technique of squeezing very quickly, but that is not real mastery. Real mastery involves relaxation more than tensing, which is much more difficult. Took many years to fully master the technique. You also need to be older, like past 50, to appreciate just how depleting peak orgasms are to older men. For a young guy, it really doesn't matter that much. [/QUOTE]

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