Doctrine & Theology Orthodox eschatology (end of times)

[Ben Boatman]

In Revelation 19 the Beast will be thrown into the Lake of Fire along with the False Prophet. How does a system get condemned to hell? Is the False Prophet not an individual either?

And "Then I saw", means the Theologian saw it with his physical eyes? So these events only occurred back then, in the first century?

Whew, what a relief. According to the most literal interpretation, Revelation has already happened. Nothing to see here, folks.

 

[Cavalier]

And "Then I saw", means the Theologian saw it with his physical eyes? So it was happening back then, in the first century?

Whew, what a relief. According to the most literal interpretation, Revelation has already happened. Nothing to see here.

He saw it spiritually as in a vision. Pretty obvious. Are you just some bizarre troll pretending to be Orthodox and just seeking to be contrary regardless of what is said. Oh I mean written no one hear is actually speaking. I don’t want to be harshly contradicted on a technicality.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I'm half way through, but I know one thing for sure: the more society sees you as an extremist, the closer you'll be to God in the end of times.

 

[Kadikoy]

I just found this thread. Cool. I'm currently researching the Orthodox view of all this, just started reading Fr. Rose and Archbishop Averky's The Apocalypse in the Teachings of Ancient Christianity.

As with most points of contention in Christianity, it comes down to this: Who is your Authority?

 

[ChiefSinnerJohn]

For all those who might be interested:

There is a 5 volume set of in depth lessons / commentary on Revelation by Elder Athanasios Mitilinaios. The books are made from cassette recordings of 104 lessons delivered by the Elder, translated into to English by Constantine Zalalas (of St Nicodemos Publications).

Revelation - The Books — Zoe Press

www.zoepress.us

 

[Roosh]

I just found this thread. Cool. I'm currently researching the Orthodox view of all this, just started reading Fr. Rose and Archbishop Averky's The Apocalypse in the Teachings of Ancient Christianity.

As with most points of contention in Christianity, it comes down to this: Who is your Authority?

Online copy of the book can be found here: https://averkyapocalypse.blogspot.com/

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Going through EMJ's Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, he states that the Christian idea is that at the end of times many Jews will convert to Christianity. With the reasoning that the Jews by then will be so disappointed with their vainless earthly pursuits that they will long for something spiritual. Does Orthodoxy supports this idea? It does raise the view that regardless how much the Jews attack us and are the enemies of humanity, we must keep praying for them and welcome them in love when they want to turn to the truth.

 

[Roosh]

Going through EMJ's Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, he states that the Christian idea is that at the end of times many Jews will convert to Christianity. With the reasoning that the Jews by then will be so disappointed with their vainless earthly pursuits that they will long for something spiritual. Does Orthodoxy supports this idea? It does raise the view that regardless how much the Jews attack us and are the enemies of humanity, we must keep praying for them and welcome them in love when they want to turn to the truth.

Yes. The Church teaches that many Jews will convert, in part thanks to the witness of Elijah and Enoch, but my understanding is that the number is still a small minority. Nonetheless, if you're alive during this time, you will notice that many Jews are converting to Christ, at a far greater pace than before.

And yes, we should be patient with Jews, and any other non-Christian. I take issue with Jews of power who spread evil, not the common Jew.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Article done. Fantastic piece. The most important article I've read. My favorite white pill in the article:

It is certainly better to have a limited trial on earth now (with Jesus sustaining us) followed by an eternity with Him in the Kingdom of Heaven, than to deny the true Christ and spend a few short years trying insufficiently to avoid sufferings on earth only to end up spending an eternity suffering in hell.

If we can have this attitude and accept that we'll be persecuted for the rest of our lives, the persecution can be actually lighter than we imagine.

 

[Mulato_Man_Gabe]

Fr. Seraphim Rose has a recorded lecture on the topic. I'm always struck with how soft spoken he sounds.

 

[Roosh]

Interesting prophecy from a Russian Saint:



For those faithful Christians who won't be able to bear the Antichrist, God will take them beforehand through illness.

 

[Mountaineer]

Basically those who are spiritually strong will witness more thus everyone will fight according to his strength. Makes sense. I hope many from this forum will be His toughest warriors.

 

[Roosh]

Basically those who are spiritually strong will witness more thus everyone will fight according to his strength. Makes sense. I hope many from this forum will be His toughest warriors.

I hope so too, because that means we are serving God faithfully. But boy will it be hard to live during Antichrist. It will be so hard we will think it was a mistake for God to think that we could endure. "Are you sure, God, that you thought I could make it through this?"

It's already getting rather difficult. Many people are already hanging on a thread. There's so much suffering that is happening right now. God doesn't show us the full extent because it would put us in despair. And it all happens right beside us and under our noses, but to protect us, God doesn't reveal to us all that is going on.

 

[nagareboshi]

I spoke with a monk who believes that one of the conditions before the End Times can begin is that the "Orthodox Gospel must be preached to all nations." What do you men think about that? I am sympathetic to that, in part because I don't think it's fair for nations to be judged if they only received heterodox transmissions of the Gospels.

 

[rodion]

I spoke with a monk who believes that one of the conditions before the End Times can begin is that the "Orthodox Gospel must be preached to all nations." What do you men think about that? I am sympathetic to that, in part because I don't think it's fair for nations to be judged if they only received heterodox transmissions of the Gospels.

I’ve often wondered this. Quite a few saints have spoken along these lines, I can’t remember exact quotes but I’ve definitely read of prophecies regarding a flourishing of orthodoxy before the end times begin in earnest. I don’t want to misquote any saints of course

 

[Roosh]

I spoke with a monk who believes that one of the conditions before the End Times can begin is that the "Orthodox Gospel must be preached to all nations." What do you men think about that? I am sympathetic to that, in part because I don't think it's fair for nations to be judged if they only received heterodox transmissions of the Gospels.

Problem is "preached to all nations" can be subjectively interpreted. At the minimal level, the internet does achieve that, since it is available everywhere and Orthodox content online is plentiful. Or does it mean there has to be a church in each nation for baptism? I haven't encountered a specific interpretation of that.

 

[Stoyan]

For those faithful Christians who won't be able to bear the Antichrist, God will take them beforehand through illness.

What do you mean by "bear the Antichrist"? Armed resistance or what?

 

[Roosh]

What do you mean by "bear the Antichrist"? Armed resistance or what?

It's not my idea. Watch the video for his explanation.

 

[Blade Runner]

It's already getting rather difficult. Many people are already hanging on a thread. There's so much suffering that is happening right now. God doesn't show us the full extent because it would put us in despair. And it all happens right beside us and under our noses, but to protect us, God doesn't reveal to us all that is going on.

Think about when the western/advanced world starts to suddenly fall apart ... talk about chaos. I hope I'm wrong but a larger taste of it I believe will come next year, sadly.

 

[Stoyan]

Think about when the western/advanced world starts to suddenly fall apart ... talk about chaos. I hope I'm wrong but a larger taste of it I believe will come next year, sadly.

What will come next year? What do you mean by that?