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nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
What do you guys do when you have non-fasting leftovers from a previous day? E.g. suppose that yesterday was fish-allowed, but today is strict.

For me I've just been eating the leftovers but not creating any "new" food that violates the fast. Also I would sometimes allow the leftovers to be cold so that it's less tasty.
 

Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
What do you guys do when you have non-fasting leftovers from a previous day? E.g. suppose that yesterday was fish-allowed, but today is strict.

For me I've just been eating the leftovers but not creating any "new" food that violates the fast. Also I would sometimes allow the leftovers to be cold so that it's less tasty.
Save it for the next non-fasting day. Most leftovers can stay in the fridge for a week if it was cooked and not something made with something like raw eggs (e.g. homemade mayo). For long fasts, I put all my dairy ingredient leftovers in the freezer.
 

nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Do we have to say prayers out loud for them to be heard? (Obviously not)

What is the relationship between mental and verbal prayer?

St Paisios said that serious requests from God must always be accompanied with fasting, ascetic struggle, and compassion for others.

Examples from writings of saints and monks would be greatly helpful — thanks!
 

DanielH

Hummingbird
Moderator
Orthodox
Do we have to say prayers out loud for them to be heard? (Obviously not)

What is the relationship between mental and verbal prayer?

St Paisios said that serious requests from God must always be accompanied with fasting, ascetic struggle, and compassion for others.

Examples from writings of saints and monks would be greatly helpful — thanks!
Immediately what comes to mind is from the Gospels, where Christ's disciples fail to exorcise a certain type of demon, and Christ says that this kind comes out only with prayer and fasting. (Mark 9:29 and Matthew 17:21)
 

TCOCBR18

Robin
Orthodox
This is a very good article on the dangers facing Orthodoxy from factions within the Church that painfully obviously choose the modern world over Truth. Among other tings, Fr. John Whiteford (the author of the article) predicts a strong move towards uniting the Patriarchate of Constantinople and its followers with Rome starting around 2025, the 1700th anniversary of the First Council of Nicaea.
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
This is a very good article on the dangers facing Orthodoxy from factions within the Church that painfully obviously choose the modern world over Truth. Among other tings, Fr. John Whiteford (the author of the article) predicts a strong move towards uniting the Patriarchate of Constantinople and its followers with Rome starting around 2025, the 1700th anniversary of the First Council of Nicaea.

I wonder also if there will be a similar ecumenical event for the 2000th year anniversary of the Crucifixion, which I'm guessing would be 2033. But yes, 2025 sounds realistic considering where things are going.

While we're on the subject, it's definitely worth mentioning next year's coronation, when King Charles III will be officially received on the throne of the United Kingdom, on May 6th -- of course, it had to involve the number 6...

This will offer us a big window into the multi-faith, all-inclusive, ecumenical future, potentially paving the way for the reign of the lawless one:

King Charles to recognise all faiths at his coronation [Daily Telegraph - 12th Dec 22]​

Monarch and supreme governor of Church of England to remain Defender of the Faith, but will speak about his commitment to multiple religions

The King is expected to recognise that he serves all religious faiths and not just the Church of England when he speaks during his coronation.

The coronation oath, in which he will pledge to be "Defender of the Faith”, will not change.

However, palace aides and church officials are planning to add a form of words that will allow the King to recognise his commitment to the multiple faiths of a diverse Britain.

While the specific details remain under discussion, it is thought that the additional wording would be included either before or after the oath.

The King has long worked to promote interfaith dialogue.

In September, just days after he became monarch, he vowed to "protect the space for faith itself", promising religious leaders during a Buckingham Palace reception that he would uphold the numerous "religions, cultures, traditions and beliefs to which our hearts and minds direct us".

It had previously been reported that the King was considering altering the oath to make himself "Defender of Faith" or "Defender of the Faiths", in recognition of his personal commitment to Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Sikhism and other religions.

However, such a move would require a change in the law, for which there is not enough time ahead of the May 6 coronation.

Also, another related article:

How King Charles became a monarch for all faiths [Daily Telegraph - 14th Dec 22]​

The King’s enthusiasm for faith beyond the confines of the Church of England – of which he is now Supreme Governor – has caused many a raised Anglican eyebrow over the years. There were times, particularly in the wake of a landmark speech entitled Sacred in the Modern World, made in 1996, when it seemed his particular interest was Islam. But the religion, beyond the Church of England, that means the most to him is Eastern Orthodoxy.

[...]


The King’s interest has taken him to some of Orthodoxy’s most sacred places, especially the monasteries on the Greek island of Mount Athos, where he has frequently stayed for spiritual retreats. There he lives like a monk, in a cell, rising at 5am for a day of prayer. There have been journeys, too, to visit the graves of two of his most devout Orthodox ancestors: Princess Alice and her aunt Elizabeth, Grand Duchess of Russia, a granddaughter of Queen Victoria, who founded a religious institution to serve the poor and was made a saint by the Russian Orthodox Church.

[...]

On December 25, when the King broadcasts the first Christmas message of his reign, and May 6 next year, at his Coronation, we shall get new insights as to how this sovereign, so steeped in spiritual thought, will express that thinking to the world. A committed Anglican, as he says, but also the monarch who would be Defender of all Faiths, and especially the Orthodoxy of his ancestors.

His apparent zeal for Eastern Orthodoxy is encouraging, considering that it's been over a thousand years since we've had an Orthodox king in Britain, but overall the signs point to an ecumenical, multi-faith union, that he will will help to foster as the new "Defender of all Faiths"
 
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Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
King Charles was always attracted to the Traditionalist School of René Guénon and other perennialists.

Yes someone mentioned this on the thread discussing Queen Elizabeth's funeral, when it looked as though we'd have a righteous leader in this country after all. I had a vague, naïve hope he'd lead with the Orthodox faith and possibly abolish or demote Anglicanism (it seems like it's on its knees at this point), and while Orthodoxy seems to be the principle faith for him, he will instead kowtow to the ecumenical agenda.

René Guénon also acted as a gateway towards Orthodoxy for Fr Seraphim Rose, so King Charles is showing some positive traits but as I mentioned above, it looks as though the heresy of ecumenism will reign supreme in the end.
 

nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Do we have to say prayers out loud for them to be heard? (Obviously not)

What is the relationship between mental and verbal prayer?

St Paisios said that serious requests from God must always be accompanied with fasting, ascetic struggle, and compassion for others.

Examples from writings of saints and monks would be greatly helpful — thanks!

Priest told me that God can read the hearts of men in a negative manner when Christ read the hearts of the Pharisees and their schemings in the Gospel (when He healed the paralyzed man and told him to take up his bed and walk), so how can He not read people's hearts in a positive manner too? Also, the entire concept of the Prayer of the Heart is nonverbal prayer (duh, how could I forget) which God can hear.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Sometimes I think that the level of demonic deception that can occur when one interprets the Bible by himself, without any context or guidance, is unprecedented. Taking one quote, or one situation, then making vast assumptions about it without putting it in the context of its entirety, and then even misconstructing it (a eunuch, a against his will castrated man to guard women so that he wouldn't impregnate them, is vastly different than someone consciously ''deciding'' that they want to be a woman now), truly leads to a slippery slope of assumptions, nothingness, politically loaded interpretations and all out inversion of what these things historically and theologically are about, according to 2000 years of tradition, interpretation and actual living it out in the real world and gaining the experience of it.

FlETeWgXkAMOrCv
 

rodion

Robin
Orthodox
Sometimes I think that the level of demonic deception that can occur when one interprets the Bible by himself, without any context or guidance, is unprecedented. Taking one quote, or one situation, then making vast assumptions about it without putting it in the context of its entirety, and then even misconstructing it (a eunuch, a against his will castrated man to guard women so that he wouldn't impregnate them, is vastly different than someone consciously ''deciding'' that they want to be a woman now), truly leads to a slippery slope of assumptions, nothingness, politically loaded interpretations and all out inversion of what these things historically and theologically are about, according to 2000 years of tradition, interpretation and actual living it out in the real world and gaining the experience of it.

FlETeWgXkAMOrCv

This is the problem of relying on The Bible alone. He, being his own pope, reads scripture and decrees it self-evident that non-binaries and all sorts of weirdness is included in the scriptures. Then if another person challenges his interpretation, with their own, derived using the same method of just “reading what’s in the Bible” then there’s no possible way of discerning the truth except via an authority outside of scripture. What authority can you appeal to? Protestants often say that we just appeal to some fallible men.

Theosis, the essence/energies distinction and the whole concept of purification being a prerequisite for discerning truth is so essential.

I was thinking about this recently. We trust in the consensus of the Holy Fathers obviously because of the teaching of purifying the nous, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that results from a pure, ascetic life etc. Detachment from worldly passions which would incentivise someone to manipulate the truth and deceive others for self-gain is a prerequisite for to be able to discern truth. Theosis and purification through struggle has this safeguard built in.
 

Feyoder

Pelican
Sometimes I think that the level of demonic deception that can occur when one interprets the Bible by himself, without any context or guidance, is unprecedented. Taking one quote, or one situation, then making vast assumptions about it without putting it in the context of its entirety, and then even misconstructing it (a eunuch, a against his will castrated man to guard women so that he wouldn't impregnate them, is vastly different than someone consciously ''deciding'' that they want to be a woman now), truly leads to a slippery slope of assumptions, nothingness, politically loaded interpretations and all out inversion of what these things historically and theologically are about, according to 2000 years of tradition, interpretation and actual living it out in the real world and gaining the experience of it.

FlETeWgXkAMOrCv

Another scumbag speaking power to truth. Pretty much a tale as old as time.
 
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