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Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
This is the problem of relying on The Bible alone. He, being his own pope, reads scripture and decrees it self-evident that non-binaries and all sorts of weirdness is included in the scriptures. Then if another person challenges his interpretation, with their own, derived using the same method of just “reading what’s in the Bible” then there’s no possible way of discerning the truth except via an authority outside of scripture. What authority can you appeal to? Protestants often say that we just appeal to some fallible men.

Theosis, the essence/energies distinction and the whole concept of purification being a prerequisite for discerning truth is so essential.

I was thinking about this recently. We trust in the consensus of the Holy Fathers obviously because of the teaching of purifying the nous, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that results from a pure, ascetic life etc. Detachment from worldly passions which would incentivise someone to manipulate the truth and deceive others for self-gain is a prerequisite for to be able to discern truth. Theosis and purification through struggle has this safeguard built in.
It is like building a hut of mud, and when you're one layer in that layer keeps collapsing and you have do do it again, and again, and again. With 2000 years tradition you've built a castle from heavy, immovable rocks that can withstand an attack, keep the keep guarded, keeps standing and is hard to infiltrate. This idea of interpret the Bible by yourself comes across to me as the modernist idea of "just figure it out by yourself" and "just get experience", resulting in every young person now stumbling around in the dark, falling again and again, getting up and going down, like a Looneytune, making the same mistakes that have been made for millenia and that were actually learnt from and reported down the line by every family to avoid from happening again. That's how you build something. Imagine now saying I throw all my PC files in the bin and delete 'm all and start over again. Throwing away all your books and then start writing them again. Burning your house down and building it again. It's madness!

It's an incredible realization that all wisdom built over millenia and forever been around has been control-a selected and deleted in its entirety. And no one ever thinks about the consequences this has had. In 10 years we have a generation whose grandparents are the boomers, not the traditional grandparents we knew, so anything wise that has ever been collected will then not be a real life experience anymore, but a mere glimpse of a black and white picture in a history book at page 367.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Interesting discussion. COTEL has quite some good, varied takes on Orthodox related topics, and also more ''conspiracy'' topics like transhumanism and such, always in relation to the higher spiritual Truth.

 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
I was wondering, have there ever been persecutions or violent acts like the Catholics did in the Orthodox Church? The Catholic Church in many instances burning entire groups to the ground (literally...) like the protestants, or the Cathars, and in other instances engaging in violent wars and plunder, such as Constantinople or the Middle East with the Crusades.
 

Road2Damascus

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
Food for thought given the science religion we face, especially with the fake flu rebranding.



Thank you for this. Are there additional resources in similarity? One of the large sticking points for me in fully accepting the faith as true is the contradicting scientific stance. In this video the priest states that cataloging natural science is not bad since it is all God's creation. But how does one reconcile the timeline in the bible with theories of physics like the Big Bang, which in itself was discovered by a priest?
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
Thank you for this. Are there additional resources in similarity? One of the large sticking points for me in fully accepting the faith as true is the contradicting scientific stance. In this video the priest states that cataloging natural science is not bad since it is all God's creation. But how does one reconcile the timeline in the bible with theories of physics like the Big Bang, which in itself was discovered by a priest?
I think we have to distinguish classical science as in how do we understand the workings of the physical world and modern science, which has added social sciences (the -isms) and evolution theory. The latter 2 have become dominant only in the 20th century, some branches even a few decades ago. Understanding how cold and hot water interacts, or how certain minerals work together and creating certain processes, these things are observing God's creation and see the patterns in it. When science becomes value loaded, such as the social sciences, or all out speculation like evolution theory and cosmology - where they start speaking about 6000 billion years ago, or 1000 trillion kilometers from the earth - then you know that there's something else going on. Personally, my take is that evolution theory such as the Big Bang and cosmology is just a demonically inspired lie to make us humans feel like atoms in a grand universe, without meaning, without Creator and without purpose. All out nihilism is what ensues from that view: nothing means anything.

But when you look at it from a Christian perspective, now suddenly the earth is the center of attention, it is Created and therefore has a Creator, there's a story about why we're here and an explanation for the evil we see, there's meaning. They don't want you to experience, understand and feel these things, and by they I mean the people in charge of the world, the Jewish/Freemason overlords bombarding us with their secular and atheist lies continuously and endlessly.

Modern science is based on nothing. It's all theory - assumptions based on an inversion of reality as it has been known since the dawn of humanity, without any credible undertone. And remember, it's still predominantly the West in which this has taken root. We speak about 10% of the world population that's 100% on board with it, in other parts of the world this is less. Also with regards to the last question, yes, the priest coming up with the Big Bang was a priest, but a Jesuit. If you look around here a bit and do a deep dive on how the system works, you'll see that some Christian orders have been compromised and function as a cloak for nefarious means, one coming up a lot is the Jesuits. If you truly believe in the Biblical story of Creation, there's no room for any of the Big Bang, all life came out of 1 cell, we live in a universe that's a gazillion times bigger than earth nonsense, and then I'm not even speaking about the form of a certain planet which I leave to you to do your research on :).
 

Yeagerist

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
Ten years from now will be the 2000th year since the founding of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Anyone here thinks something very significant for all Christendom will happen at this date?
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Ten years from now will be the 2000th year since the founding of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Anyone here thinks something very significant for all Christendom will happen at this date?

Indeed, I mentioned this a few pages ago, i believe. My hunch is that the Ecumenical movement will use this anniversary as a convenient vehicle to push their agenda and attempt to unite the schisms across Christendom. It could have already been earmarked as the date when the union between Rome and the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople takes place, which will be catastrophic but also redemptive in many ways, as many Orthodox will then be forced to side with either the heretics or the authentic Orthodox Church.
 

charliec12

 
Banned
Orthodox
Indeed, I mentioned this a few pages ago, i believe. My hunch is that the Ecumenical movement will use this anniversary as a convenient vehicle to push their agenda and attempt to unite the schisms across Christendom. It could have already been earmarked as the date when the union between Rome and the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople takes place, which will be catastrophic but also redemptive in many ways, as many Orthodox will then be forced to side with either the heretics or the authentic Orthodox Church.

I think 2025 is being used as the symbolic date to push the ecumenist agenda

Ten years from now will be the 2000th year since the founding of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Anyone here thinks something very significant for all Christendom will happen at this date?

They may try to use 2033 as an agreed target date to aim for, but this date (the dob of Christ) is generally considered to be out by 5 years, so the real anniversary would actually be c2028.
 

Road2Damascus

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
I think we have to distinguish classical science as in how do we understand the workings of the physical world and modern science, which has added social sciences (the -isms) and evolution theory. The latter 2 have become dominant only in the 20th century, some branches even a few decades ago. Understanding how cold and hot water interacts, or how certain minerals work together and creating certain processes, these things are observing God's creation and see the patterns in it. When science becomes value loaded, such as the social sciences, or all out speculation like evolution theory and cosmology - where they start speaking about 6000 billion years ago, or 1000 trillion kilometers from the earth - then you know that there's something else going on. Personally, my take is that evolution theory such as the Big Bang and cosmology is just a demonically inspired lie to make us humans feel like atoms in a grand universe, without meaning, without Creator and without purpose. All out nihilism is what ensues from that view: nothing means anything.

But when you look at it from a Christian perspective, now suddenly the earth is the center of attention, it is Created and therefore has a Creator, there's a story about why we're here and an explanation for the evil we see, there's meaning. They don't want you to experience, understand and feel these things, and by they I mean the people in charge of the world, the Jewish/Freemason overlords bombarding us with their secular and atheist lies continuously and endlessly.

Modern science is based on nothing. It's all theory - assumptions based on an inversion of reality as it has been known since the dawn of humanity, without any credible undertone. And remember, it's still predominantly the West in which this has taken root. We speak about 10% of the world population that's 100% on board with it, in other parts of the world this is less. Also with regards to the last question, yes, the priest coming up with the Big Bang was a priest, but a Jesuit. If you look around here a bit and do a deep dive on how the system works, you'll see that some Christian orders have been compromised and function as a cloak for nefarious means, one coming up a lot is the Jesuits. If you truly believe in the Biblical story of Creation, there's no room for any of the Big Bang, all life came out of 1 cell, we live in a universe that's a gazillion times bigger than earth nonsense, and then I'm not even speaking about the form of a certain planet which I leave to you to do your research on :).

Thank you for to detailed post. It seems my account privileges do not allow me to like a post, so wanted to reply with this message of gratitude.
 

Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
An incredible documentary featuring intimate archival footage of Saint Tsar Nicholas II and the Romanov Royal Martyrs, released Nov' 22:



Besides the photographs that were featured and colourised as part of the Romanov Royal Martyrs book project (the same YT channel), I never would have thought that we could experience Saint Nicholas in such a personal way. I assumed all the film footage was too damaged but they have restored it very well here and it provides a surreal intimacy with the Romanovs.

The film footage is fragmented and spans across two decades during pre-Revolutionary Russia, which is also an amazing world to witness, and it brings home just how completely real their lives were and the world they inhabited, as well as the tragic events that followed.

This is from the synopsis underneath the video:

The documentary features rare footage, made from 98 fragments of film from 1896-1916 shot in Moscow, Kiev, St. Petersburg, Tsarskoye Selo, Livadia, Chisinau, Yevpatoria, Kostroma, Odessa. Yalta, Nizhny Novgorod, Borodino, Diveyevo, Rostov the Great, Tallinn, Mogilev, Oreanda, and Sevastopol. The material used in the film is from the Russian State Film and Photo Archive, the Russian State Archive of Phonodocuments, and private collections. The music is comprised of fragments from the favorite works of Emperor Nicholas II.
 

Cynllo

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer



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Akaky Akakievitch

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I came across this story just now:


The title speaks for itself.

I had a thought: When we bless our food prior to eating, does this in any way help with the poisons or the toxins present in the food e.g. the hidden plastics referenced here (not seed oils)? Or is that just a wild fantasy to think our prayers could eliminate something like that?

Obviously there are many days on the fasting calendar where "Fish is allowed", and fish has always formed a part of an Orthodox diet throughout history (i think thats a safe assumption), so to dispose of all fish in ones diet due to the presence of many poisons would be a great loss, in an Orthodox context.

Recently we had the blessing of the waters at Theophany, and it was amazing to witness how the water was censed and prayed over to produce holy water. I wonder if we pray over our food, does this help in the case of reducing or eliminating certain unseen contaminants and toxins or is this just something we are forced to put up with from now on, as a consequence of our sin and the destruction of nature through use of industrial poisons?

I wonder how effective some supplements truly are versus sincere prayers and blessings over our meals. By blessing our food, it might not exactly offer us nutrition but perhaps will nourish our souls and keep us healthy in a way undetected by science or any studies.

I was wondering if anyone else has ever thought the same way about this.
 

nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I came across this story just now:


The title speaks for itself.

I had a thought: When we bless our food prior to eating, does this in any way help with the poisons or the toxins present in the food e.g. the hidden plastics referenced here (not seed oils)? Or is that just a wild fantasy to think our prayers could eliminate something like that?

Obviously there are many days on the fasting calendar where "Fish is allowed", and fish has always formed a part of an Orthodox diet throughout history (i think thats a safe assumption), so to dispose of all fish in ones diet due to the presence of many poisons would be a great loss, in an Orthodox context.

Recently we had the blessing of the waters at Theophany, and it was amazing to witness how the water was censed and prayed over to produce holy water. I wonder if we pray over our food, does this help in the case of reducing or eliminating certain unseen contaminants and toxins or is this just something we are forced to put up with from now on, as a consequence of our sin and the destruction of nature through use of industrial poisons?

I wonder how effective some supplements truly are versus sincere prayers and blessings over our meals. By blessing our food, it might not exactly offer us nutrition but perhaps will nourish our souls and keep us healthy in a way undetected by science or any studies.

I was wondering if anyone else has ever thought the same way about this.

Short answer: yes

Priest I spoke with mentioned that blessing food will help out against chemical toxins in food. Also we know that a vegan diet is highly toxic to secular people, but monks and saints have survived on vegan diets for a very long time with the help of God's grace.

I think St. Paisios also famously recommended believers to use the sign of the cross on produce that was affected by pollution and to believe in Christ and to eat fearlessly. Someone correct me if that reference is misplaced.
 
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