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[Yeagerist]

Also we know that a vegan diet is highly toxic to secular people, but monks and saints have survived on vegan diets for a very long time with the help of God's grace.

The vegan diet pushed in normie society consists of excessive amounts of sugars and carbs as well as unhealthy oils + processed foods, while the historical Orthodox fasting is more "organic" with plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits and nuts, and some seafood for protein.

Also the secular vegan mindset is quasi-Gnostic with a hatred of human nature and idolatry towards animals and created nature (which explains an overlap with "animal rights" and environmental activists), while of course our monks and saints are imbibed with the Holy Spirit.

 

[Roosh]

The vegan diet pushed in normie society consists of excessive amounts of sugars and carbs as well as unhealthy oils + processed foods, while the historical Orthodox fasting is more "organic" with plenty of fresh vegetables, fruits and nuts, and some seafood for protein.

Also the secular vegan mindset is quasi-Gnostic with a hatred of human nature and idolatry towards animals and created nature (which explains an overlap with "animal rights" and environmental activists), while of course our monks and saints are imbibed with the Holy Spirit.

I get recipes from vegan food blogs and they almost always use seed oils and other processed junk like "vegan butter".

 

[DanielH]

A Hockey Player Stands Alone - The Deafening Silence of Western Orthodox Christians - Orthodox Reflections

When Orthodox Christians take brave stands, suffer persecution, tell uncomfortable truths - why don't other Orthodox support them?

orthodoxreflections.com

New article from the folks at @orthodoxreflections exhorting Orthodox clergy and laity to stand up for Orthodox Christians when they stand up against satanism, such as Ivan Provorov refusing to wear the sodomy uniform.

They highlight that despite the petition page to stop the persecution of the UOC being viewed >100,000 times, only 531 signatures were received, and that we as laypersons need to do a better job of supporting our own people.

 

[Yeagerist]

A Hockey Player Stands Alone - The Deafening Silence of Western Orthodox Christians - Orthodox Reflections

When Orthodox Christians take brave stands, suffer persecution, tell uncomfortable truths - why don't other Orthodox support them?

orthodoxreflections.com

New article from the folks at @orthodoxreflections exhorting Orthodox clergy and laity to stand up for Orthodox Christians when they stand up against satanism, such as Ivan Provorov refusing to wear the sodomy uniform.

They highlight that despite the petition page to stop the persecution of the UOC being viewed >100,000 times, only 531 signatures were received, and that we as laypersons need to do a better job of supporting our own people.

Normal people don't have the time and mental energy to engage in cancel culture all day, and woke activists have the backing of globalist political machinery to persecute someone like Ivan Provorov.

 

[Paisios Harlan]

A Hockey Player Stands Alone - The Deafening Silence of Western Orthodox Christians - Orthodox Reflections

When Orthodox Christians take brave stands, suffer persecution, tell uncomfortable truths - why don't other Orthodox support them?

orthodoxreflections.com

New article from the folks at @orthodoxreflections exhorting Orthodox clergy and laity to stand up for Orthodox Christians when they stand up against satanism, such as Ivan Provorov refusing to wear the sodomy uniform.

They highlight that despite the petition page to stop the persecution of the UOC being viewed >100,000 times, only 531 signatures were received, and that we as laypersons need to do a better job of supporting our own people.

I pray for him. I'm not going to buy his jersey or some such thing though. I think this message is more for people who have a loud online voice though...

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

I get recipes from vegan food blogs and they almost always use seed oils and other processed junk like "vegan butter".

I was raised vegetarian and still at home eat vegetarian always. I've been disappointed though to find out that the agenda behind the push for vegetarianism is to a large degree not benign, but another trap by the global regime to further poison you through food and further control you. Will keep doing my habits though, I like the idea of mercy for animals, or at least them not living in the industrial madness shameful circumstances modern farm animals are living in. I think that's absolutely a disgrace to treat God's creation, which animals are a part of, I don't think many people here will disagree with that. I'm not principally against eating meat though and see that as one of the bounties of nature, if done in a correct and respectful, caring, loving way, which now is entirely absent.

 

[DanielH]

The Orthodox Study Bible (Kindle version) is on sale for $3.99, ending today, if you purchase through the web browser.

 

[TCOCBR18]

Do Orthodox seminarians study Latin?

 

[Yeagerist]

David Erhan and Tristan Haggard talk about the Tates being a symptom of the dysfunctionality of modern, secular society and the lack of proper Christian male role models.

It's interesting that Tristan brought up Roosh in this livestream, and David himself had entertained the idea of hosting Roosh. It looks like some Orthobros are now trying to set up our dear forum leader in a diametric opposition to the Tates.

Andrew Tate: Hero or Grifter? On Masculinity w/ Tristan Haggard

Tristan joins me to discuss his thoughts on the Andrew Tate phenomenon, and what the issue with modern masculinity is.All of my Links: https://linktr.ee/ther...

www.youtube.com

 

[DanielH]

Do Orthodox seminarians study Latin?

I know they did in some cases in pre-revolutionary Russia, but nowadays it's generally ancient Greek or Russian as those are much more important for us.

 

[Yeagerist]

I know they did in some cases in pre-revolutionary Russia, but nowadays it's generally ancient Greek or Russian as those are much more important for us.

It seems like Latin is only useful for pre-Schism Western church writings, and even then it's not the exclusive liturgical language in the Orthodox West. The Tridentine Mass was instituted long after the Schism (actually during the Counter-Reformation against Protestantism), so all this "Latin only" obsession by trad Catholic scholars doesn't have solid historical grounds.

On the other hand, I'm interested in the treatment of Arabic by Orthodox seminarians, as that became the common tongue that replaced Aramaic and Coptic among Levantine Christians.

I was raised vegetarian and still at home eat vegetarian always. I've been disappointed though to find out that the agenda behind the push for vegetarianism is to a large degree not benign, but another trap by the global regime to further poison you through food and further control you. Will keep doing my habits though, I like the idea of mercy for animals, or at least them not living in the industrial madness shameful circumstances modern farm animals are living in. I think that's absolutely a disgrace to treat God's creation, which animals are a part of, I don't think many people here will disagree with that. I'm not principally against eating meat though and see that as one of the bounties of nature, if done in a correct and respectful, caring, loving way, which now is entirely absent.

At least in the US context, vegetarians and vegans lean towards the political left and so their diet inevitably becomes a front for globohomo agenda. The carnivore diet, pushed by the likes of Mikhaila Peterson, was intended to be the diametric opposite of veganism in both content and politics.

If it's alright for you to take my advice, you don't necessarily have to start eating meat now that you've found the true Church, because it might become a stumbling block for your conscience. I'm speaking this in the spirit of the Apostle Paul's admonition in 1st Corinthians ch. 8, where he advises the church to not force former pagans into eating meat from pagan temples, those whose conscience is vexed due to their fear of spiritual defilement of such food. That goes for ex-Muslims who have an issue with eating pork and shellfish.

 

[Roosh]

Do Orthodox seminarians study Latin?

I read that they did in Russia before that was corrected. Jordanville in New York does not offer Latin to their seminarians, only Russian, Church Slavonic, and Greek.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

This is a great playlist.

 

[OrthoSerb]

Do Orthodox seminarians study Latin?

My impression was that the largest seminaries would have it as an afterthought whilst the smaller ones (which have fewer students and teachers) would focus on the core subjects and therefore not have it. Out of interest I checked out the subjects for the programs for the largest Serbian seminary (in Belgrade) and it has Latin in years two and three. The seminary in Chigaco which is a fraction of the size does not have Latin. The full list of subjects at the Belgrade seminary is below. The students also learn Church Slavonic, Greek, English and Russian. I was surprised there was no Hebrew at all.

First grade:
Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament
Catechism
Biblical history
Hagiology (study of the lives of the saints) with Hymnography
History of the Christian Church
Church chanting with the basics of music
General history
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
Greek language
English language
IT
Russian language

Second grade:
Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament
Holy Scriptures of the New Testament
Basic theology
Patrology
History of the Christian Church
Church singing
General history
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
Greek language
English language
IT
Latin language
Russian language

Third grade:
Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament
Holy Scriptures of the New Testament
Dogmatics
Patrology
History of the Christian Church
History of the Serbian Church
Liturgics
Church law
Church chanting
Psychology with logic
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
Greek language
English language
Latin language

Fourth grade:
Sacred Scripture of the Old Testament
Holy Scripture of the New Testament
Dogmatics
History of the Christian Church
History of the Serbian Church
Liturgics
Church marriage law
Pastoral theology
Orthodox pedagogy
Church chanting
History of religion
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
English language

Fifth grade:
Holy Scripture of the New Testament
Dogmatics
Christian ethics
Hagiology with hymnography
History of the Serbian Church
Liturgics
Canon law
Pastoral theology
Homiletics (the art of preaching or writing sermons)
Teaching methods
Church chanting
History of Philosophy
History of religion with respect to sects
Church administration

 

[Yeagerist]

My impression was that the largest seminaries would have it as an afterthought whilst the smaller ones (which have fewer students and teachers) would focus on the core subjects and therefore not have it. Out of interest I checked out the subjects for the programs for the largest Serbian seminary (in Belgrade) and it has Latin in years two and three. The seminary in Chigaco which is a fraction of the size does not have Latin. The full list of subjects at the Belgrade seminary is below. The students also learn Church Slavonic, Greek, English and Russian. I was surprised there was no Hebrew at all.

First grade:
Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament
Catechism
Biblical history
Hagiology (study of the lives of the saints) with Hymnography
History of the Christian Church
Church chanting with the basics of music
General history
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
Greek language
English language
IT
Russian language

Second grade:
Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament
Holy Scriptures of the New Testament
Basic theology
Patrology
History of the Christian Church
Church singing
General history
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
Greek language
English language
IT
Latin language
Russian language

Third grade:
Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament
Holy Scriptures of the New Testament
Dogmatics
Patrology
History of the Christian Church
History of the Serbian Church
Liturgics
Church law
Church chanting
Psychology with logic
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
Greek language
English language
Latin language

Fourth grade:
Sacred Scripture of the Old Testament
Holy Scripture of the New Testament
Dogmatics
History of the Christian Church
History of the Serbian Church
Liturgics
Church marriage law
Pastoral theology
Orthodox pedagogy
Church chanting
History of religion
Serbian language and literature
Church Slavonic language
English language

Fifth grade:
Holy Scripture of the New Testament
Dogmatics
Christian ethics
Hagiology with hymnography
History of the Serbian Church
Liturgics
Canon law
Pastoral theology
Homiletics (the art of preaching or writing sermons)
Teaching methods
Church chanting
History of Philosophy
History of religion with respect to sects
Church administration

You piqued my interest with the inclusion of IT as a subject for seminarians

 

[OrthoSerb]

You piqued my interest with the inclusion of IT as a subject for seminarians

Yes, I'm intrigued what other seminaries teach. It's not a topic I've looked into before but it is of profound importance to the future of the Church. I personally would like to see some more specialist programs which prepare future priests for mission in a range of hostile or challenging environments. In the Serbian Patriarchate almost all of our diaspora parish priests come from the Balkans and it takes them years to adjust to the local environments into which they're sent, if they adjust fully at all. We also have missions in places like Ecuador that are run by priest-monks that may have, almost on their own initiative, dedicated their lives to the local people and learning the language. But where is the "backup" going to come from? Who is being prepared to expand that bridgehead.

 

[Yeagerist]

The full list of subjects at the Belgrade seminary is below. The students also learn Church Slavonic, Greek, English and Russian. I was surprised there was no Hebrew at all.

It's a surprise for me too. From my Protestant background, all of the pastors and seminary students/graduates were so obsessed with learning Hebrew and taking at least one trip to Israel (add to that their fanatical Zionism). They have the same obsession with Greek; κοινή this, άγάπη this, κοινωνία that. Yet they strangely never discovered Greek Orthodoxy or the Eastern Roman Empire.

I guess the absence of Hebrew in EO seminaries is due to the fact that it's not even the main language of the 1st Century Jews, and the Greek Septuagint is more reliable than the Hebrew Masoretic text for studying the Old Testament. The Protestants in contrast do the opposite way of viewing the New Testament through a Hebraic lens.

Yes, I'm intrigued what other seminaries teach. It's not a topic I've looked into before but it is of profound importance to the future of the Church. I personally would like to see some more specialist programs which prepare future priests for mission in a range of hostile or challenging environments. In the Serbian Patriarchate almost all of our diaspora parish priests come from the Balkans and it takes them years to adjust to the local environments into which they're sent, if they adjust fully at all. We also have missions in places like Ecuador that are run by priest-monks that may have, almost on their own initiative, dedicated their lives to the local people and learning the language. But where is the "backup" going to come from? Who is being prepared to expand that bridgehead.

I wonder how much of the "missionary mindset" do the Orthodox Patriarchates have. Unfortunately the slower spread of diaspora Orthodoxy is due to many overseas parishes functioning as ethnic clubs. In contrast, American and Korean Prot denominations were so gung ho in sending missions to Third World regions.

The Serbian church is probably punching above its weight for being a small country, but I honestly expect Russia and Anglophone Orthodoxy to dedicate more resources for overseas missions. More and more people find the truths of Orthodoxy through the Internet but that's not enough. People like me aren't gonna celebrate the Divine Liturgy by ourselves.

I find it really strange that the higher-ups in the Church seem to lack a sense of urgency and placing importance on missions. This could just be my personal bias speaking (as a former Evangelical), but we diaspora converts can greatly benefit from cradle Orthodox laity raising funds for these lone hieromonks' missions.

 

[fortyfive]

Interesting article

‘There is no God here’: How conflict between the Orthodox Christian Church and the Soviet Union helped define modern Russia

105 years ago, the Bolsheviks and the Soviet government were excommunicated from the Orthodox Church

www.rt.com

 

[Yeagerist]

"Fully immersed himself in Japanese life and learned Japan's language, religion, customs and culture..."

Finally a patron saint to represent us weeaboos

 

[Iacobus]

"Fully immersed himself in Japanese life and learned Japan's language, religion, customs and culture..."

Finally a patron saint to represent us weeaboos

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As someone with connections to Asia & a past dalliance in Buddhism, I've been very interested to read some of his works that were quoted here: https://orthochristian.com/72973.html

Unfortunately I haven't had any luck as the article says the sources are Russian and were personally translated for this article.