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[Blade Runner]

I don't know where a better place might be for this, but I was listening to the Lord of Spirits recent episode on marriage, and while I agree with most of the things they say, I'll occasionally find myself debating a nuance of the approach, and I'm not sure if it is because the priests/fathers are married. If you look at society now, you come to the realization that hierarchical order and men in proper control of a society is necessary, as the realization that God is our Father, and man is ordained as the priest of the creation. Yet you constantly see this confusion of what good christianity did for women, for example, being carried to the lengths of the modern day scenarios, which are totally corrupted and men (and God) being called evil. The essence of the red pill is that one shouldn't blame women; they are what they are. We are so far removed from this, though, that life has become absolutely awful (even though we have the material and convenience aspects) for the sexes. It is so bad at this point, that now Islam looks like they "know what they are doing", even having large portions of their practice and theology that are wrong, unhealthy, or at best inspired by false or questionable sources. What's worse is that you can't even talk about this, since the modern day (feminized in the west) is irrational and hysterical. I guess what I'm getting at is that those of us who want healthy relationships have realized that as long as man is not considered head, priest, or logical provider/protector/decider, how can anyone even remotely get along without chaos/destruction/loss of fertility entirely??? I don't know if there is an escape route for the priests to talk about this, but even the sharpest among them seem unwilling to restore a theology of St. John Chrysostom, for example, where we have defined roles and those do not include women in any position remotely close to authority. It sounds bad to the modern person but it seems so obvious to a critical thinker, it makes you almost depressed.

 

[DanielH]

Today's epistle reading sounds exactly like the times we live in.



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[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Today's epistle reading sounds exactly like the times we live in.

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Fantastic. I was just thinking the other day: living in a big city, how much of God or goodness in general do I see outside? I just never see it. Hasty people, not looking at each other, frantic, on their telephone, baggy eyes, only cheering up when alcohol and drugs get in play and it's Saturday night. This is a little bit better outside of the big cities, but also in smaller towns the hedonism has grown so much. Like in the smaller town I'm from, the restaurant/bar business has exploded in the last 10 years. Unrecognizable compared with when I grew up. It seems like people increasingly can only find a release in something outside the house, entertainment of whatever sort. People can't have peace at home, enjoying a tranquil time with their family, if they even have one, in contemplation, reflection, listening to some nice classical music or so.

Also, point 7 is a perfect description of the modern scientists and their followers (aka the NPC normies). Oh boy, they claim to know so much, yet they understand nothing! Powerful!

 

[Lawrence87]

Today's epistle reading sounds exactly like the times we live in.

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Precisely what I thought when I read it!

 

[Bird]

The 9th paragraph makes me hope that more people are going to wake up and see the follies of the powers that be and their sycophants.

 

[Eusebius Erasmus]

I don't know where a better place might be for this, but I was listening to the Lord of Spirits recent episode on marriage, and while I agree with most of the things they say, I'll occasionally find myself debating a nuance of the approach, and I'm not sure if it is because the priests/fathers are married. If you look at society now, you come to the realization that hierarchical order and men in proper control of a society is necessary, as the realization that God is our Father, and man is ordained as the priest of the creation. Yet you constantly see this confusion of what good christianity did for women, for example, being carried to the lengths of the modern day scenarios, which are totally corrupted and men (and God) being called evil. The essence of the red pill is that one shouldn't blame women; they are what they are. We are so far removed from this, though, that life has become absolutely awful (even though we have the material and convenience aspects) for the sexes. It is so bad at this point, that now Islam looks like they "know what they are doing", even having large portions of their practice and theology that are wrong, unhealthy, or at best inspired by false or questionable sources. What's worse is that you can't even talk about this, since the modern day (feminized in the west) is irrational and hysterical. I guess what I'm getting at is that those of us who want healthy relationships have realized that as long as man is not considered head, priest, or logical provider/protector/decider, how can anyone even remotely get along without chaos/destruction/loss of fertility entirely??? I don't know if there is an escape route for the priests to talk about this, but even the sharpest among them seem unwilling to restore a theology of St. John Chrysostom, for example, where we have defined roles and those do not include women in any position remotely close to authority. It sounds bad to the modern person but it seems so obvious to a critical thinker, it makes you almost depressed.

With all due respect to the priests who conduct that podcast, a lot of their information is either wrong or highly speculative. A good example is their episode on 'Giants,' which contrasts sharply with the Patristic tradition that Seraphim Rose exposits in his Genesis, Creation and Early Man.

 

[Blade Runner]

With all due respect to the priests who conduct that podcast, a lot of their information is either wrong or highly speculative. A good example is their episode on 'Giants,' which contrasts sharply with the Patristic tradition that Seraphim Rose exposits in his Genesis, Creation and Early Man.

We've been through this. I disagree, but there is a lot of speculation regarding many ancient topics. I think a more constructive discussion would be dealing with the question I posed (regarding sex roles) rather than bringing up the "Giants" controversy again.

The larger issue in general is our role in advancing "goodness" in the world. A lot of our attempts are not just for self glorification or creating a utopia, but rather to relieve suffering. Yet, when we get so advanced and efficient in our civilizations, we tend to be removed from our original/natural state, which is fairly primitive. This is a paradox of the world, since ultimately this world is broken, until it is renewed. I think that's why we see all of these confusing cycles and a lot of the nonsense we banter about on the form.

 

[Yeagerist]

With all due respect to the priests who conduct that podcast, a lot of their information is either wrong or highly speculative. A good example is their episode on 'Giants,' which contrasts sharply with the Patristic tradition that Seraphim Rose exposits in his Genesis, Creation and Early Man.

That should be your least concern regarding AFR

The larger issue in general is our role in advancing "goodness" in the world. A lot of our attempts are not just for self glorification or creating a utopia, but rather to relieve suffering. Yet, when we get so advanced and efficient in our civilizations, we tend to be removed from our original/natural state, which is fairly primitive. This is a paradox of the world, since ultimately this world is broken, until it is renewed. I think that's why we see all of these confusing cycles and a lot of the nonsense we banter about on the form.

The early Church in the Roman Empire didn't go around doing activism or organizing a revolt meant to usher the "kingdom of God" on the earth. Of course, their extent of influence was limited by persecution, but it also had to do with the limited resources that they have. It was with God's due timing that there was raised an Emperor named Constantine who ultimately served as an instrument in extending the goodness of Christianity on a larger scale.

In the present, there's no truly pro-Christian government on the earth except for Russia perhaps. Ultimately any form of right-wing activism we undertake will end up in futility, because it runs counter to God's will and timing. The early Christians had their own crosses to bear, we in the 21st Century have our own. There's no longer any danger of being fed to lions in the arena, but we're facing ungodly subversion everywhere.

 

[Blade Runner]

Ultimately any form of right-wing activism we undertake will end up in futility, because it runs counter to God's will and timing.

Big picture no one wants to actually give up the neo-liberal economic system, least of all the older (boomer plus) retirees, who required the younger generation ponzi. Right wing activism, big picture, is fake and subverted to the max by a foundation of egalitarianism, which is why it can't ever be successful.

It sounds like you see this is as a late stage cycle that's particularly determinist ... why else would it be counter to "God's will and timing"?

 

[Jaybosan]

 

[Yeagerist]

Notice that the Talmudist-controlled media only allows paganism as the valid form of expressing European/white national identity, because it is as explicitly anti-Christian as Islam or Bolshevism. It falls into the other side of the dialectics of either condemning Christianity as an instrument of oppression or conquest, and at the same time ridiculing Christianity as a weakening or effeminizing influence upon Western society.

 

[Yeagerist]

Progressives and globalists celebrate this act of ecumenism (one step closer to the Antichrist worship?), right-wing pagan larpers see this as yet another excuse to attack Christianity as an "Abrahamic desert religion"

 

[Diadem]

This is probably a common question so somebody here should have an answer.

1 John 1:8 says: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
1 John 3:6: "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

These passages seem contradictory to me. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?

 

[Iacobus]

This is probably a common question so somebody here should have an answer.

1 John 1:8 says: "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."
1 John 3:6: "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

These passages seem contradictory to me. How do you explain the apparent contradiction?

I'm not an expert but I would say it's worth noting that 1:8 says specifically, "If we SAY that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves."

A man truly imitating Christ would never proclaim himself sinless, not to himself nor to others.
The holiest saints considered themselves the greatest sinners.

3:6 is saying that the only way to free ourselves from sin & death is through abiding in Christ.
The only path to become sinless is to realize that we are sinners & live our life in repentance.
If we walk the way of Christ, then we do not sin; if we sin, then we do not walk the path of Christ and we do not abide in him.

The Orthodox Study Bible has extensive commentary and you might also be interested to listen to Fr. Stephen de Young's "The Whole Counsel of God series on 1 John, he does a phenomenal job of going through Scripture piece by piece.

 

[7-5]

That should be your least concern regarding AFR


The early Church in the Roman Empire didn't go around doing activism or organizing a revolt meant to usher the "kingdom of God" on the earth. Of course, their extent of influence was limited by persecution, but it also had to do with the limited resources that they have. It was with God's due timing that there was raised an Emperor named Constantine who ultimately served as an instrument in extending the goodness of Christianity on a larger scale.

In the present, there's no truly pro-Christian government on the earth except for Russia perhaps. Ultimately any form of right-wing activism we undertake will end up in futility, because it runs counter to God's will and timing. The early Christians had their own crosses to bear, we in the 21st Century have our own. There's no longer any danger of being fed to lions in the arena, but we're facing ungodly subversion everywhere.

Whats wrong with Ancient Faith Radio?

I'm asking because many at my church have highly recommended it to me multiple times.

Have yet to actually get into their content, though.
Been going through Trisagon Films on youtube.

 

[Diadem]

Whats wrong with Ancient Faith Radio?

Check this thread:

Content - Ancient Faith Ministries

Leave a review.

www.rooshvforum.com

tldr: there are some good things on there but you should be cautious about the organization as a whole

 

[7-5]

Check this thread:

Content - Ancient Faith Ministries

Leave a review.

www.rooshvforum.com

tldr: there are some good things on there but you should be cautious about the organization as a whole

Ah, thank you.
Read the whole topic. I'll stay subbed on youtube, I guess. Looking like my usual heuristic of 'Stay away from things that look too polished and accessible' continues to be validated.

I really do like the people in my parish so far. But between this, too much love for the likes of Peterson & Prager: methinks I'll see some conflict in the future.

 

[Brebelle3]

Brothers, forgive me, but I wanted to ask for help in a thread where I know my question would be seen.

I'm desperately trying to find the parishes either in Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. I have the names of the parishes, but cannot find details for their physical locations, times, or contact information. I'm not even sure if they have a continual Divine Liturgy. My understanding is they are both ROCOR and fall under the Orthodox Metropolitanate of Hong Kong and Southeast Asia (Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople). I've attempted a couple of emails in that direction with no response.

Parish of Our Lady of Kazan in Vung Tau (established in 2002),
Parish of Xenia of Saint Petersburg in Hanoi (established in 2019),
Parish of Protection of Our Most Holy Lady Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary in Ho Chi Minh city (established in 2019).

I emailed the Russian Embassy in Hanoi and while the representative emailed me back, she was unsure where the Liturgy took place. She was aware that there was a meeting place, but couldn't direct me to a location.

My priest back home in the US is working on it, but unsure as well.

I have a 2 year old son and a Catholic wife whom is 8 months pregnant with our 2nd child that need to attend an Orthodox Divine Liturgy. Of course I need it as well.

I'm trying, but I need help.
Any ideas?

 

[OrthoSerb]

I'm desperately trying to find the parishes either in Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam. I have the names of the parishes, but cannot find details for their physical locations, times, or contact information. I'm not even sure if they have a continual Divine Liturgy. My understanding is they are both ROCOR and fall under the Orthodox Metropolitanate of Hong Kong and Southeast Asia (Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople). I've attempted a couple of emails in that direction with no response.

The parishes are under the Moscow Patriarchate. I assume you've come across this site:

The Philippines and Vietnam diocese | The Russian Orthodox Church, Patriarchal Exarchate of South-East Asia

That doesn't have contact details but the Facebook page it links to does. Not on the parish level unfortunately but hopefully whoever monitors the central email for the Diocese will be able to provide more information.

 

[Edelweiss]

I wonder how much of the "missionary mindset" do the Orthodox Patriarchates have. Unfortunately the slower spread of diaspora Orthodoxy is due to many overseas parishes functioning as ethnic clubs. In contrast, American and Korean Prot denominations were so gung ho in sending missions to Third World regions.

I find it really strange that the higher-ups in the Church seem to lack a sense of urgency and placing importance on missions. This could just be my personal bias speaking (as a former Evangelical), but we diaspora converts can greatly benefit from cradle Orthodox laity raising funds for these lone hieromonks' missions.

This is a big problem which the Church must sort out.