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<blockquote data-quote="Aboulia" data-source="post: 1425379" data-attributes="member: 16697">We agree that beliefs have political implications right? Jesus Christ is God, he desires good action, and voluntary co-operation between all. Nicaea attempting to outline the faith, and the implications thereof, set the king/patriarch on an equal playing field. The King can rage against the church, by imprisoning/martyring it's leaders, and the Patriarch/Metropolitan can excommunicate the King showing his impiety to all.I believe the political implication with Arianism is that the Son of God is a creature, and thus, subordinate to the Father. Jesus Christ, is the head of the church, and the emperor/king is the ruler of the fatherland, which means the Church, becomes subordinate to the (Father)empire. I would suggest this is why Constantius II, being a power hungry man that murdered his relatives, sided with the Arians. It's also why he thought he had the authority to depose St Athanasius by sending Gregory of Cappadocia. It's unsurprising that the Arian heresy was advocated by many in powerful positions. The life you live affects what you believe, and vise versa. In the same manner, if you accept that the government can apply rules to worship that demean/diminish the faith, it's the same imposition. I may be wrong, I'm only a layman. Thoughts?My church does that exact same thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Aboulia, post: 1425379, member: 16697"] We agree that beliefs have political implications right? Jesus Christ is God, he desires good action, and voluntary co-operation between all. Nicaea attempting to outline the faith, and the implications thereof, set the king/patriarch on an equal playing field. The King can rage against the church, by imprisoning/martyring it's leaders, and the Patriarch/Metropolitan can excommunicate the King showing his impiety to all. I believe the political implication with Arianism is that the Son of God is a creature, and thus, subordinate to the Father. Jesus Christ, is the head of the church, and the emperor/king is the ruler of the fatherland, which means the Church, becomes subordinate to the (Father)empire. I would suggest this is why Constantius II, being a power hungry man that murdered his relatives, sided with the Arians. It's also why he thought he had the authority to depose St Athanasius by sending Gregory of Cappadocia. It's unsurprising that the Arian heresy was advocated by many in powerful positions. The life you live affects what you believe, and vise versa. In the same manner, if you accept that the government can apply rules to worship that demean/diminish the faith, it's the same imposition. I may be wrong, I'm only a layman. Thoughts? My church does that exact same thing. [/QUOTE]

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