Doctrine & Theology Orthodox view of history

Eusebius Erasmus

Ostrich
Orthodox
As Orthodox, we believe that history is shaped by more than just material forces: the aerial spirits (demons), Satan, angels, the saints, the Theotokos, and God Himself intervene in human affairs.

Are there any good Orthodox books or essays on exactly how spiritual forces shape world history? I'm especially interested in understanding Canadian and American history from the Orthodox spiritual viewpoint (historiography).
 

DanielH

Ostrich
Moderator
Orthodox
I'm especially interested in understanding Canadian and American history from the Orthodox spiritual viewpoint (historiography).
Recently tried to dig deeper into my roots as an ethnic heritage American by studying our history. From an Orthodox standpoint I just had to stop, it was almost depressing. There aren't good American role models to teach our children. I haven't found an American historical figure who comes close to any of our saints. You find a prominent American and study their life and you will quickly discover the killing, lies, freemasonry, or adultery that got them into that position. And American history doesn't have the benefit of being thousands of years old like other nations' histories.

Are there any good Orthodox books or essays on exactly how spiritual forces shape world history?
The closest things I can think of are Fr. Seraphim Rose's and Fr. Peter Heers' Orthodox Survival Courses (each did one series by the same name). Also interested in reading more about this.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
As Orthodox, we believe that history is shaped by more than just material forces: the aerial spirits (demons), Satan, angels, the saints, the Theotokos, and God Himself intervene in human affairs.

Are there any good Orthodox books or essays on exactly how spiritual forces shape world history? I'm especially interested in understanding Canadian and American history from the Orthodox spiritual viewpoint (historiography).
I suspect that Satan and demons had more to do with founding the United States than God. It is likely they have been the guiding influence from that day to this.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
There are many American presidents and founders that were blessed in many ways, at least with some virtues that are definitely worth noting. I find the mason conspiracies of America to go a bit too far. Everyone wanted to come to America with all the freedom and blessings of prosperity for centuries, away from communism and utter squalor otherwise, to a land of demons? It seems like a disjointed hypothesis, and remarkably so.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
There are many American presidents and founders that were blessed in many ways, at least with some virtues that are definitely worth noting. I find the mason conspiracies of America to go a bit too far. Everyone wanted to come to America with all the freedom and blessings of prosperity for centuries, away from communism and utter squalor otherwise, to a land of demons? It seems like a disjointed hypothesis, and remarkably so.
After the American Revolution set the precedent all of Europe starting with France was rocked by Masonically inspired and lead revolutions. The 19th Century was a period where previously prosperous people were impoverished so they needed to try to start over. It all started here. I see a line of events connecting all the way to the present day. Do you think that demons produce evil right away, showing their hand, telegraphing their intentions? We could say that currently America would appear to be a land of demons. The degenerate pop culture has been exported throughout the globe.
Did you know that prior to France getting involved that the Colonies were offered home rule? Basically a win. Why continue fighting? One of the reasons Benedict Arnold switched sides was because of this. But drawing France in caused financial difficulties leading to that bloody revolution. I believe the official story is a cover for more sinister intentions. Satan makes plans that span centuries. The men serving him perhaps unknowingly, only need to do their part to bring the plan closer to fruition. They don’t need to know the plan, in fact Satan would prefer they didn’t.
 

The Prime Minister

Sparrow
Orthodox
This is just my opinion but I think America was used as part of a bigger plan, like in a game of chess.
These last 100-120 years the US/West has laid the foundation to leading the whole world to the coming globalist anti-christ system.
Everything from our modern technology and financial system, to the creation of Israel in 1948. This is bigger than all of us.
The Founding Fathers of America were all Freemasons and in fact Washington DC was built in a Masonic design. Great Britain wasn't any better, they were also Masonic underneath the veneer of their Royalty. Despite all that God is in control of everything, and He can make good things come out from the US/West.
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox Catechumen
This is just my opinion but I think America was used as part of a bigger plan, like in a game of chess.
These last 100-120 years the US/West has laid the foundation to leading the whole world to the coming globalist anti-christ system.
Everything from our modern technology and financial system, to the creation of Israel in 1948. This is bigger than all of us.
The Founding Fathers of America were all Freemasons and in fact Washington DC was built in a Masonic design. Great Britain wasn't any better, they were also Masonic underneath the veneer of their Royalty. Despite all that God is in control of everything, and He can make good things come out from the US/West.
The Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of England was at that time and I believe is still in the present a member of the Aristocracy if not an actual member of the Royalty.
 

Blade Runner

Ostrich
Orthodox
One thing we can definitely say is that most attempts (and that's what we get with increasing size of government) at Babel degenerate, and all attempt to do so. The invasion of dissimilar people didn't start until 1965 in the west, in earnest, though (at least for the USA).
 

Lawrence87

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I find it fascinating that the filioque was a defining event in history. Of course liberal types will say "well it's all very academic, a fuss over nothing" but it represents a point of departure from traditionalism into innovation. "We know better than these traditions we have received"

Once that ball got rolling, look at where it ended up...
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
After the American Revolution set the precedent all of Europe starting with France was rocked by Masonically inspired and lead revolutions. The 19th Century was a period where previously prosperous people were impoverished so they needed to try to start over. It all started here. I see a line of events connecting all the way to the present day. Do you think that demons produce evil right away, showing their hand, telegraphing their intentions? We could say that currently America would appear to be a land of demons. The degenerate pop culture has been exported throughout the globe.
Did you know that prior to France getting involved that the Colonies were offered home rule? Basically a win. Why continue fighting? One of the reasons Benedict Arnold switched sides was because of this. But drawing France in caused financial difficulties leading to that bloody revolution. I believe the official story is a cover for more sinister intentions. Satan makes plans that span centuries. The men serving him perhaps unknowingly, only need to do their part to bring the plan closer to fruition. They don’t need to know the plan, in fact Satan would prefer they didn’t.
The Orthodox would consider the Russian Revolution as being part of your mentioned Satan's plan. The commies almost totally destroyed the Orthodox religion and culture in Russia. They blew up many churches and killed many priests. They had an overt anti-religious policy. And their sign was a red pentagram. It seems that they wanted to destroy the Russian Empire, which was a state founded upon Orthodoxy, which would guarantee the rights of the Orthodox believers.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
The Orthodox would consider the Russian Revolution as being part of your mentioned Satan's plan. The commies almost totally destroyed the Orthodox religion and culture in Russia. They blew up many churches and killed many priests. They had an overt anti-religious policy. And their sign was a red pentagram. It seems that they wanted to destroy the Russian Empire, which was a state founded upon Orthodoxy, which would guarantee the rights of the Orthodox believers.
Let's not forget the social/cultural policies the communists enacted in the Soviet Union. It became the first modern world country to legalize abortion and abortions went through the roof. It was more than a million, close to two million in the 30s each year. Now, Russia still has a factor of 4 abortions compared to the US, which already is dreadful so imagine. Moreover, like 8 out of 10 countries in top 10 abortions are former Soviet countries. Demonic influence maintains in that regard as the culture has to come back from that.
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Let's not forget the social/cultural policies the communists enacted in the Soviet Union. It became the first modern world country to legalize abortion and abortions went through the roof. It was more than a million, close to two million in the 30s each year. Now, Russia still has a factor of 4 abortions compared to the US, which already is dreadful so imagine. Moreover, like 8 out of 10 countries in top 10 abortions are former Soviet countries. Demonic influence maintains in that regard as the culture has to come back from that.
Strategically, it's clear that as long as the Orthodox Russian Empire continued to exist, it would be blocking all the satanist, degenerate, anti-Christian trends. The Russian Empire would have been against such modern culture that we see today, to a much greater extent than the Russian Federation. They would have produced lots of Orthodox propaganda, and many more people would have been saved. This would have undermined the information monopoly of the wokeist rainbow propoganda, never would have taken hold into the hearts of people. It seems that the overthrow was necessary for TPTB to go ahead with the antichrist.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Crow
Orthodox Inquirer
It's unbelievable how severe the persecution of the Orthodox Church in the Soviet-Union was. The entire opposite of before, where there were something along the line of 50.000 parishes, to be reduced to 10.000 or so over different periods of persecution. 100.000 priests/clerics murdered, unbelievable. But among it all it appears that about half of the Soviet population remained Christian in belief, ouwardly or inwardly. If you see how relentlessly communism persecuted and attacked religion and Christianity in particular is the best proof that it's 1000% Satanic.
 

nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
St. Nicholas of Japan, writing in 1905, during the Russian-Japanese war. Transmitted by Vladimir Moss.


On the eve of the Russo-Japanese war, “alarmed by the possibility of war with their co-religionists, the Orthodox Japanese turned to their bishop. He replied that they, like all Japanese, were obliged by their oath to carry out their military duty, but to fight was not at all the same as to hate one’s enemy, but meant to defend one’s fatherland. The Saviour Himself bequeathed patriotism to us when He sorrowed over the lot of Jerusalem. 2 The archpastor himself decided to stay in Japan with his flock, even if there was a war…

[From St. Nicholas to the Japanese] “Pray to God that He give victory to your emperor’s army. Thank God for the victories He gives. And sacrifice to the needs of the war… Fight, not out of hatred to the enemy, but out of love for your fellow- citizens… In a word, do everything that is required of you by love for your Fatherland. Love for the Fatherland is a holy feeling. The Saviour consecrated this feeling by His example: out of love for His earthly Fatherland He wept over the wretched lot of Jerusalem. But besides our earthly Fatherland we also have a Heavenly Fatherland. This Fatherland of ours is the Church, of which we are all equally members and through which the children of the Heavenly Father truly constitute one family. Therefore I am not separating from you, brothers and sisters, and I remain in your family. And we shall together fulfill our duty with regard to our Heavenly Fatherland.”

Nobody in Russia understood the hierarch of Japan as well as Emperor Nicholas II. At the end of the war the Tsar wrote to him: ‘You have shown before all that the Orthodox Church of Christ is foreign to worldly dominion and every tribal hatred, and embraces all tribes and languages with her love. In the difficult time of the war, when the weapons of battle destroy peaceful relations between peoples and rulers, you, in accordance with the command of Christ, did not leave the flock entrusted to you, and the grace of love and faith gave you strength to endure the fiery trial and amidst the hostility of war to keep the peace of faith and love in the Church created by your labours…’”

St. Nicholas made some penetrating remarks on the course of the war and its spiritual causes. Thus on July 19 / August 1, 1904 he wrote: “The Japanese are beating us, all the peoples hate us, it seems as if the Lord God has poured out His wrath upon us. And how could it be otherwise? Why should we be loved and pitied? Our nobility has been corrupted over the centuries by serfdom and has become debauched to the marrow of its bones. The simple people has been oppressed over the centuries by the same serfdom and has become ignorant and crude to the highest degree; the service class and the bureaucrats have lived through bribery and stealing from the State and now at all levels of service, wherever it is possible to steal, there is the most shameless and universal stealing from the State. The upper class is a collection of monkeys; they are imitators and worshippers, now of France, now England, now Germany and of every other thing that is foreign. The clergy, oppressed by poverty, can hardly repeat the catechism – are they capable of developing Christian ideals and sanctifying themselves and others through them?... And with all that we have the very highest opinion of ourselves: we only are true Christians, we only have real enlightenment, while there we see only darkness and corruption… No, it is not for nothing that the present woes have overwhelmed Russia – she herself has drawn them upon herself. Only work it, O Lord God, that this may be the punishing staff of Thy love! Do not allow, O Lord, that my poor Homeland should be destroyed to the end! Save and have pity!”

Again, on May 20 / June 2, 1905 he wrote: “Russia is not a naval power. God gave her land covering one sixth of the world and stretching without interruption across the continent, without any islands. And she could have taken possession of it peacefully, exploiting its wealth and converting it to the good of her people; she could have taken care of the material and spiritual well-being of her citizens. But all this was not enough for the Russian government; it is expanding its possessions more and more; and by what means! Is it really a good thing to attempt to conquer Manchuria and take it from China?

“’We need a warm - water port.’ Why? To give our sailors something to boast about? Well, let them now boast in the unheard-of shame of their defeat [at Tsushima]. It is obvious that God was not with us, because we destroyed His righteousness. ...

“And God is not defending His people because it has done unrighteousness. The God-Man wept over Judaea, but did not defend it from the Romans. I used to say to the Japanese: ‘We will always be friends with you, because we cannot bump into each other: we are a continental power, you are a naval power; we can help each other, supplement each other, but there will never be a reason for enmity.’ I always said this boldly right up to our taking Port Arthur from the Japanese after the Chinese-Japanese war. ‘God, what have they done now!’ were my first words and groan when I heard about this unclean act of the Russian government. Now we can see to what misfortune it has brought Russia.

“… It was not need for a fleet that created the Russian fleet, but vainglory; while lack of talent prevented us from arming it properly, which is why everything ended in dust. Will Russia at least now renounce the role of a great sea power that does not belong to her? Or will she continue in her blindness and try again to create a fleet, exhausting her resources, which are very much needed for more vital, truly vital things, like the education of the people, the exploitation of her internal resources and such like? She will be unprecedentedly powerful if she firmly and clearly recognizes herself to be a continental power, but fragile and weak – like a weak hermaphrodite – if she again begins to see herself as also a great sea power which must therefore have a big fleet, which in such a case will always be the prey of her enemies and the source of shame for herself. Help her, O Lord, to become cleverer and more honourable!... My soul is in torment for my dear Fatherland, which its ruling class has made stupid and dishonourable…”

Archbishop Nicholas may have been a sharp critic of his Homeland, but his noble affirmation, in word and deed, of the primacy of faith over politics did not go unappreciated. After the war he was awarded the Order of St. Alexander Nevsky by the Tsar, and the Holy Synod raised him to the rank of archbishop. His death in 1912 was covered by all the newspapers of Japan. His life witnessed vividly to the fact that Christianity, while supporting true patriotism, is a universalist religion which always places the universalist message of the Gospel above the interests of any individual State or nation.
 

Mountaineer

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
Let's not forget the social/cultural policies the communists enacted in the Soviet Union. It became the first modern world country to legalize abortion and abortions went through the roof. It was more than a million, close to two million in the 30s each year. Now, Russia still has a factor of 4 abortions compared to the US, which already is dreadful so imagine. Moreover, like 8 out of 10 countries in top 10 abortions are former Soviet countries. Demonic influence maintains in that regard as the culture has to come back from that.
This has to have repercussions, Russia cannot continue as a Christian country with that level of sin, something has to change soon. We have to be honest also about the Russian Orthodox Church - to deny that it has been influenced by KGB/FSB agents is foolish. The difficult part is recognizing how big that influence was/is.
 

josemiguel

Robin
Orthodox
Everyone wanted to come to America with all the freedom and blessings of prosperity for centuries
They came to worship Mammon
away from communism
Which America, and Britain, funded. Once I learned that GE owned all of the Soviet Union's electric grid, the Orthodox view of history started to make a whole lot more sense.
 

Stoyan

Kingfisher
Orthodox
 
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