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<blockquote data-quote="get2choppaaa" data-source="post: 1591979" data-attributes="member: 17150">EXACTLY!Skimming some of the earliest posts in this thread leave me scratching my head.I am not into apologizing for the founders of America.&nbsp; I think those men were admirable. All the privilege's we get to enjoy, rightly or wrongly, exist because of their intense desire to ensure the rights guaranteed to subjects via the Magna Carta were upheld.We have plenty of people in America who lived a sordid life, some of them were founding fathers. Yet there are plenty of saints whom also had their own struggles.&nbsp; There are also members who are Orthodox according to this board that have even gone so far as to say that there were multiple Saints (Justinian and Theodora in particular) that were possessed by demons (which I vehemently disagree with) and were evil. Far be it for me to castigate Saints... but I suppose if one has the arrogance to do that, we can look at any other regular person in history and pass judgement free of context or situational depth and blame the issues we face now on them. Makes sense.I understand the Free Mason connection to certain founding fathers.&nbsp; I believe Free-Masonry to be a Judaizing social club that lures member's into a false sense of brotherhood only to corrupt them.....THAT BEING SAID.... I think Washington, Jefferson, and many other founding fathers did a noble thing in rebelling against the colonies and establishing a Constitution that provided free men more rights than anything ever seen in history.I reject this notion that the America we have now is representative of the intent of the founding fathers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="get2choppaaa, post: 1591979, member: 17150"] EXACTLY! Skimming some of the earliest posts in this thread leave me scratching my head. I am not into apologizing for the founders of America. I think those men were admirable. All the privilege's we get to enjoy, rightly or wrongly, exist because of their intense desire to ensure the rights guaranteed to subjects via the Magna Carta were upheld. We have plenty of people in America who lived a sordid life, some of them were founding fathers. Yet there are plenty of saints whom also had their own struggles. There are also members who are Orthodox according to this board that have even gone so far as to say that there were multiple Saints (Justinian and Theodora in particular) that were possessed by demons (which I vehemently disagree with) and were evil. Far be it for me to castigate Saints... but I suppose if one has the arrogance to do that, we can look at any other regular person in history and pass judgement free of context or situational depth and blame the issues we face now on them. Makes sense. I understand the Free Mason connection to certain founding fathers. I believe Free-Masonry to be a Judaizing social club that lures member's into a false sense of brotherhood only to corrupt them.....THAT BEING SAID.... I think Washington, Jefferson, and many other founding fathers did a noble thing in rebelling against the colonies and establishing a Constitution that provided free men more rights than anything ever seen in history. I reject this notion that the America we have now is representative of the intent of the founding fathers. [/QUOTE]

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