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<blockquote data-quote="get2choppaaa" data-source="post: 1592255" data-attributes="member: 17150"><p>No worries. In principal I agree violence is bad. However there are people that recognize no other form of communication other than that, so we must have soldiers. There is evil in the world, and there are men that need to be killed in order to stop it. (Look at what's going on in Donbass) I would say that one might feel bad for having to be the one to have to take those lives, speaking for myself only, there is guilt around the innocents that suffered that were caught in the crossfire. I don't think anyone is saying that war is good... That why many vets are so anti-war... Because theyve seen it. (Also my personal hero is Smedley Butler ... Look him up if you're not familiar)</p><p></p><p>Regarding the US Revolution....It is misguided to apply the issues of today and apply our understanding now to that of a person living in the times of being a British subject. Masonry or not, it doesn't negate the legitimate reasons to rebell against the government of Brittain. </p><p></p><p>Again, the Brits absurd the laws against their subjects, whose details have been so enumerated by multiple acts and papers from our foundered to include quartering, taxation abuses, forced constipation and imprisonment with out trial ect ect ect. </p><p></p><p>I think we established that there was no legitimate divine right of kings since the king here was not Orthodox... So really we are again talking about purely a political view.</p><p></p><p>How would you not say that it is ok to accept those premises as legitimate reasons to rebell after multiple attempts to get redress of grievances from The Crown? So war being the manifestation of political disagreements (to paraphrase Clausewitz) is exactly what happens.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="get2choppaaa, post: 1592255, member: 17150"] No worries. In principal I agree violence is bad. However there are people that recognize no other form of communication other than that, so we must have soldiers. There is evil in the world, and there are men that need to be killed in order to stop it. (Look at what's going on in Donbass) I would say that one might feel bad for having to be the one to have to take those lives, speaking for myself only, there is guilt around the innocents that suffered that were caught in the crossfire. I don't think anyone is saying that war is good... That why many vets are so anti-war... Because theyve seen it. (Also my personal hero is Smedley Butler ... Look him up if you're not familiar) Regarding the US Revolution....It is misguided to apply the issues of today and apply our understanding now to that of a person living in the times of being a British subject. Masonry or not, it doesn't negate the legitimate reasons to rebell against the government of Brittain. Again, the Brits absurd the laws against their subjects, whose details have been so enumerated by multiple acts and papers from our foundered to include quartering, taxation abuses, forced constipation and imprisonment with out trial ect ect ect. I think we established that there was no legitimate divine right of kings since the king here was not Orthodox... So really we are again talking about purely a political view. How would you not say that it is ok to accept those premises as legitimate reasons to rebell after multiple attempts to get redress of grievances from The Crown? So war being the manifestation of political disagreements (to paraphrase Clausewitz) is exactly what happens. [/QUOTE]
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