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<blockquote data-quote="Liviu" data-source="post: 1549369" data-attributes="member: 19881">Just for everyone knowledgeEphesians 2:8<a href="https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ephesians-2-8/" target="_blank">For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:</a>Define grace and define faith.&nbsp; A faith merely knowing but without facts have the demons. It is said `they believe and tremble`. Is that the faith the apostle talks about ?As Darius, the initiator of this forum said: If we are saved now , why are we still here ?Let`s remember. Protestantism appeared as a reaction at the exagerations and errors made by Catholic church which was no more One True Church at the beginning of XVIth century.The motto of protestantism is `sola scriptura`. Was said that if Luther would have known Orthodoxy wouldn`t have made the reformation.Let`s remember that before Gospels were writen Holy Gospel was only preached. The first Holy Gospel (Matthew if I remember well) was written in 44 -45 AD. So we have about a decade or more of Christian faith without the most important scriptures.Actualy , Holy Scripture is a fruit in the tree of Holy Tradition. And Tradition was formed within Church.So first was Church or New Israel, second was Tradition and third Scripture.As in old times, first was Old Israel, Second was Old Tradition, third was Old Scripture.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Liviu, post: 1549369, member: 19881"] Just for everyone knowledge Ephesians 2:8 [URL='https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Ephesians-2-8/']For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [I]it is[/I] the gift of God:[/URL] Define grace and define faith. A faith merely knowing but without facts have the demons. It is said `they believe and tremble`. Is that the faith the apostle talks about ? As Darius, the initiator of this forum said: If we are saved now , why are we still here ? Let`s remember. Protestantism appeared as a reaction at the exagerations and errors made by Catholic church which was no more One True Church at the beginning of XVIth century.The motto of protestantism is `sola scriptura`. Was said that if Luther would have known Orthodoxy wouldn`t have made the reformation. Let`s remember that before Gospels were writen Holy Gospel was only preached. The first Holy Gospel (Matthew if I remember well) was written in 44 -45 AD. So we have about a decade or more of Christian faith without the most important scriptures. Actualy , Holy Scripture is a fruit in the tree of Holy Tradition. And Tradition was formed within Church. So first was Church or New Israel, second was Tradition and third Scripture. As in old times, first was Old Israel, Second was Old Tradition, third was Old Scripture. [/QUOTE]

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