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Mack Four said:
Yes, even you know very well that your situation is a rare one.
That she didn't do what many other women do when they divorce.
And the times when our parents got married,
were very different times, when the laws were very different
and their education was a very different one too
TornadoByProxy
Woodpecker
The story of man is the quest for knowledge, experience, and control over his life. The man who marries is an arrogant fool who believes he can get something for nothing. Marriage is the antithesis on self determination.
It used to be that divorce was a rite of passage for women. It has certainly been the greatest source of 'you go girl'-ist, 'I will survive'-ism "power".
Now I would say it has become a rite of passage on the path of man as well. No single experience in the modern world will teach you more about yourself than a long, drawn out divorce.
It used to be that divorce was a rite of passage for women. It has certainly been the greatest source of 'you go girl'-ist, 'I will survive'-ism "power".
Now I would say it has become a rite of passage on the path of man as well. No single experience in the modern world will teach you more about yourself than a long, drawn out divorce.
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master_thespian said:
In my wife's words..."If you see I'm in a bad mood, leave me alone!" If I give her shit during that time, I get shit back. If I leave her alone, a short while later everything is fine. I tell her the same thing too and after years together we know when to be nice and when not to mess with each other.
Mack Four said:
Bro, the fact is, you got divorced. Why would you recommend marriage to someone when you yourself got the axe?
"Well, I went to law school and got no job, but I think you should go to law school too!"
What is the point of marrying someone if you expect to divorce them? :huh:
Samseau said:
First of all I'm not recommending anything. People should do what makes them happy and experience as much of life as possible.
Second, I never said anything about marriage being forever. For some people being married for awhile works. Having several different wives works. For others it's more permanent and for still others it will never work.
To make blanket statements like marriage is for stupid poor people when marriage does work for some people is more than a little ridiculous. People should speak for themselves, not others. There are things about being married that I liked, and things I didn't like. But I'm just one guy, one personality. For others it might work out better.
The kind of closed minded absolutism spouted in this thread may end up in a diminished life filled with missed great experiences. I would never want to not have been married. For me it's better to regret the things I've done than to regret the things I haven't.
I would say getting married when the laws are stacked against you is pretty stupid. How could you not?
If you marry a rich woman and she makes you sign a pre-nup, then the judges will honor it.
But if you marry a poor woman and you sign a pre-nup, there's a chance the judges won't honor it in case she needs extra for whatever fucking reason.
If you have kids and you're a stay at home dad, then the judge will give the kids to the wife because she's got more earning power.
But if you have kids and you are the main breadwinner, then the judge will give the kids to the wife because the man is too busy working.
In nearly 100% of the divorce cases I've seen, the wife always get the house. There's another 250K+.
As for marriage being for the poor... no way, you need to be one rich mother fucker to lose all of this and still be standing.
Finally, what's the point of a temporary marriage? Why even call it a marriage? Temporary marriage makes as much sense as having a temporary religion. You were never committed in the first place.
If you marry a rich woman and she makes you sign a pre-nup, then the judges will honor it.
But if you marry a poor woman and you sign a pre-nup, there's a chance the judges won't honor it in case she needs extra for whatever fucking reason.
If you have kids and you're a stay at home dad, then the judge will give the kids to the wife because she's got more earning power.
But if you have kids and you are the main breadwinner, then the judge will give the kids to the wife because the man is too busy working.
In nearly 100% of the divorce cases I've seen, the wife always get the house. There's another 250K+.
As for marriage being for the poor... no way, you need to be one rich mother fucker to lose all of this and still be standing.
Finally, what's the point of a temporary marriage? Why even call it a marriage? Temporary marriage makes as much sense as having a temporary religion. You were never committed in the first place.
Are there any divorce judges lurking on this forum? American divorce judges in particular. I would like to hear their take on American marriages and the percentages that work, time durations and etc. Someone told me 60 percent of the marriages end in divorce. Is this true? What is the average length of marriage in America?
Samseau said:
When I was 9 years old I asked my father why he divorced my mother.
He said that a wife was very much like a Ford. When it stops working right you trade it in for a newer model.
The moral of the story is, some men enjoy being married but only for as long as the marriage is a happy one. Then they start over.
alphabeta said:
Yes, there are some of us here who believe in thinking for ourselves rather than gladly jumping on every bandwagon the "manosphere" parks here. Who are you to insist everyone engage in groupthink just because they are on the rooshvforum?
Men have been getting married for quite some time, and some still see merit in and don't think it automatically makes them beta or "retarded." Yes, there are significant risks, but this is a place for honest discourse, not a place to belittle opposing opinions on the basis of what men in a certain group should think.
We should be striving to be leaders here, not followers.
The institution of marriage and the way divorce is handled in the courts needs some changing, no doubt. But that doesn't necessarily mean every reasonable man must denounce it forever.
uni said:
It's also rare for people to stay in great physical shape. It's rare for people have the self-discipline to make a good deal of money in life. It's rare for men to have the game to consistently pull hot and sexy women through their life. Rare to create the freedom to travel the world.
Hell, in mainstream society, it's rare for people just to not be depressed and walk around in a constant state of despair.
I think it's a big mistake to avoid something because the average American zombie sucks at it. Things worth having in life take work to hold onto and turn in to success, and most people don't have the gumption to work for anything in life. A quality marriage is no different in this department.
That's not to say that everyone who fails at it or gets burnt is a fuckup, but your odds of pulling it off the right way can be greatly increased if you have a decent head on your shoulders and approach it in the right way.
Agreed. In my opinion, close-minded absolutism almost always does more harm than good.
Mack Four said:
Mack Four, you were married twice. They say the third time is a charm. With the hindsight behind you, would you do the same? Change the type of lizard you married, maybe change the state you married in or maybe lay certain foundations prior to jumping the broom?
Please elaborate.
AntiTrace
Ostrich
Interesting how some people that have never been married talk like they know everything about marriage. It's like an armchair PUA critiquing an experienced player and his approach.
I've been married. We were both young. I realized we both wanted seperate things and I ended it. We split everything obtained post marriage 50/50, and everything from before the marriage was kept individual. She wanted nothing more than what I willingly gave her. We still get along great, hell she is even a regular in my rotation.
Being married can be really awesome. It can also be really shitty. The times are good and the times are bad just like in any relationship. The problem with the majority of marriage is that guys go completely bat shit beta once they are married. That and most guys make horrible choices in the female they marry. Fix those two problems, and a marriage can be a pretty good deal.
For those of you who are young, please keep an open mind to what you read in the manosphere. Just because Roissy, Roosh, Mystery, or whoever the hell you are looking up to that week says something doesn't mean it is gospel. You will advance in game and life far faster by listening, thinking, and making your own decision than by being a human parrot.
I've been married. We were both young. I realized we both wanted seperate things and I ended it. We split everything obtained post marriage 50/50, and everything from before the marriage was kept individual. She wanted nothing more than what I willingly gave her. We still get along great, hell she is even a regular in my rotation.
Being married can be really awesome. It can also be really shitty. The times are good and the times are bad just like in any relationship. The problem with the majority of marriage is that guys go completely bat shit beta once they are married. That and most guys make horrible choices in the female they marry. Fix those two problems, and a marriage can be a pretty good deal.
For those of you who are young, please keep an open mind to what you read in the manosphere. Just because Roissy, Roosh, Mystery, or whoever the hell you are looking up to that week says something doesn't mean it is gospel. You will advance in game and life far faster by listening, thinking, and making your own decision than by being a human parrot.
Moma said:
I was only married once. For six years. And I just can't regret it because there were so many great times, great experiences and so much I learned. I got the most beautiful little girl out of it. She's a chip off the old block. There's nothing like seeing your own baby pictures manifested in a real live little person like that. I can't describe the feeling.
I did not take well to marriage because I'm just not a monogamous kind of guy. I like girls and always have. From an ethical standpoint I'm not a fan of double standards. That's just a personal principle. So I can't get on board with saying I should be able to screw around while she stays home and does my laundry. So unless I meet that Porn Fidelity bisexual threesome-craving sex goddess (who also magically has a personality), I doubt very seriously that there will be a second marriage.
But. I want a son. I want very much for there to be a Mack Five (and yes my dad really is Mack Three). So I don't know. I'm not a fan of kids out of wedlock, but then is divorce so much better? Probably not. So I guess my answer to you is: I don't know. But I won't be foolish enough to say never.
Samseau said:I would say getting married when the laws are stacked against you is pretty stupid. How could you not?
If you marry a rich woman and she makes you sign a pre-nup, then the judges will honor it.
But if you marry a poor woman and you sign a pre-nup, there's a chance the judges won't honor it in case she needs extra for whatever fucking reason.
If you have kids and you're a stay at home dad, then the judge will give the kids to the wife because she's got more earning power.
But if you have kids and you are the main breadwinner, then the judge will give the kids to the wife because the man is too busy working.
In nearly 100% of the divorce cases I've seen, the wife always get the house. There's another 250K+.
As for marriage being for the poor... no way, you need to be one rich mother fucker to lose all of this and still be standing.
Finally, what's the point of a temporary marriage? Why even call it a marriage? Temporary marriage makes as much sense as having a temporary religion. You were never committed in the first place.
Exactly
Marriage is invented so that every woman gets a provider
for everything, for her and her kids,
from the moment of the marriage on, even if she cheats on him everyday
Mack Four said:
What is the point at all of marriage then ?
How is it better in any way than simply just having a relationship with the girl, enjoying sex with her, maybe having other girlfriends also ?
There is nothing amazing in the experiences which you describe...
You were simply lucky to not be cleansed off all your money yet
uni said:
Why does there have to be a point? What's the point in watching football? There isn't one. It's a total waste of time. But I'm going to keep doing it because I enjoy it.
What's the point if fucking pretty girls? It isn't curing cancer or inventing cold fusion so why do it?
You climb Mount Everest so you can say you did it. The experience is it's own reward.
uni said:
That is a highly subjective statement. How can you speak to the validity of someone else's experiences?
uni said:
Or maybe I was smart to choose a good woman to begin with. You keep taking these black/white positions, but most of life is lived in grey areas.
Mack Four said:
I will answer both your questions:
1. It is exciting and catchy. It gives adrenaline rushes, it is entertaining,
it has drama and excitement. It is very cool and it gives great
emotions.
2. It gives very high pleasure. Probably some of the biggest pleasures
that exist on the face of Earth.
Of course there is much more than that. It is a real achievement,
it gives a higher status in society,
it is enjoyable, fun, it gives great positive emotions, excitement etc etc
Marriage gives nothing from point 1 or 2...
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