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[Roosh]

I think Mack Four got lost on his way to Dalrock's site. Tone down your pro-marriage propaganda.

 

[Mack Four]

I think Mack Four got lost on his way to Dalrock's site. Tone down your pro-marriage propaganda.

I've taken a middle of the road, "to each his own" position. I don't see how that qualifies as "propaganda". But what the hell, it's your house so...

I'm out of the marriage discussions.

 

[alphabeta]

People seem to be confusing marriage with relationships. You can be in a long term relationship with a person without marrying them. There is literally zero incentive for a man to marry a woman in any western culture.

No amount of backhanded remarks about armchair PUA's is going to change that.

In the sense of long term relationships being fine, I agree. I've been in one with a girl for the past year and a half that I've known for 4 years. She passes the boner test. I've been perfectly up front with my interest in other women, and also clarified after we became a couple that she must be interested in other women from time to time in order to ensure that I do not stray.

She has completely complied with my wants in order to be in a relationship with me. It's been great. I would never force her to stay with me- I want her to leave if she finds herself unhappy and I repeat this to her. I expect the same from her if I decide I am unhappy and wish to move on.

Listen to the principals of game theory, instead of attempting to run them on the members of a forum dedicated to it in order to attempt to boost your perceived status. It's what I've done since coming here and my romantic life has gone through a total transformation. I'm not unique, I'm just attentive.

That last bit is actually incredibly important when considering game theory. People need to lose their perceptions of self in order to truly thrive at game, from my experience with it. You talk of "improving your social status." Game theory contradicts this in saying to hold yourself in the utmost regard with no regard to your social status. Worrying about how people might see you will block infinitely more bangs than acting in accordance with what you actually want.

I rarely post because I'm busy reading. By following the conclusions I am able to derive off of those some claim I "parrot," my experience with women has increased positively and dramatically. My non-uniqueness prevents me from thinking that I'll somehow be different in areas many guys get completely ruined in. Their mistakes permit everyone to learn from them, and that's easily the most important aspect of game theory-

Go and make mistakes, and fix your shit instead of blaming your situation on everything else. Learn from any mistakes you can perceive, and don't repeat them to prove you have learned from them.

I have seen many men suffer as a direct result of divorce. I will not advocate marriage as it currently stands for any man seeking to better himself, because it will largely do the opposite.

 

[MikeCF]

The kind of closed minded absolutism spouted in this thread may end up in a diminished life filled with missed great experiences. I would never want to not have been married. For me it's better to regret the things I've done than to regret the things I haven't.

Here's what I don't get.

Why come to a place that has a certain culture and then start pissing on everyone?

No one invited you here. Like the rest of us, you volunteered to be here.

This is far from an echo chamber. Many of us have diverse views.

But you just got here. Maybe ease into things before pulling out the guns and telling everyone how stupid we are?

 

[Divorco]

Too many people who've never been married are claiming to be experts on marriage.

Interesting how some people that have never been married talk like they know everything about marriage.

Exactly; we don't need teenagers posting about long-term relationships. It's particularly galling when broke single travelers whine about financial exploitation when they have no assets, career, or prospects. Mark Minter is the poster child for this.

What is the point of marrying someone if you expect to divorce them? :huh:

Good question. You can't anticipate everything in a contract. So you leave exit provisions, i.e., divorce. For example, you may not keep a job forever, but that doesn't make it a bad thing.

Sometimes you need a long-term contract to prevent exploitation. For example, an older guy wants a younger gal to quit her promising career, move, and devote herself to the home. She reasonably wants a guarantee that he will stay with her or at least share his career success.

 

[MikeCF]

Sometimes you need a long-term contract to prevent exploitation. For example, an older guy wants a younger gal to quit her promising career, move, and devote herself to the home. She reasonably wants a guarantee that he will stay with her or at least share his career success.

Right. Because in the real world, marriage material women are dying to work 80 hours a week and sleep under their desks at some iBank or corporate law firm.

In real life, most guys want their wives to do some sort of work. Otherwise the woman terrorizes him with "home improvement plans" and obsesses over why he's not home more often.

In real life, "professional, career driven" women are dying to quit working and let some man support them. Show me a feminist and I'll show you a woman who wants to quit her job. Or at most work at some non-profit (as there's sometimes a stigma in upper class circles for an "educated woman" to be a stay at home mom.)

Now in 10 years, the girl is going to get before a judge and say, "I gave up my job at J.P. Morgan to marry this man! I could have been a Vice President by now!"

The judge (who like you doesn't have real world experience with women) is going to believe her.

The truth was that the girl 10 years ago ran every trick in the book possible to stop working a real job.

Or have you not noticed that there are an awful lot of 20 and 30 something JDs and MBAs working hard to become yoga instructors?

 

[Divorco]

real world experience with women

Tell us about your awesome real world experience.

 

[uni]

People seem to be confusing marriage with relationships. You can be in a long term relationship with a person without marrying them. There is literally zero incentive for a man to marry a woman in any western culture.

I have seen many men suffer as a direct result of divorce. I will not advocate marriage as it currently stands for any man seeking to better himself, because it will largely do the opposite.

Yes exactly.

One other opinion / pic that I found:

 

[kazz]

If you find your perfect women, stick around with her for a while if your old enough to know you may be right, if you like it stick around with her some more. The act of marriage is silly and out dated, the same as religion which it is linked to. A long time ago we had to try and make sense of the world somehow, so we invented these things. Now we know better. Besides marriage or no marriage the law will still be involved just the same.

 

[uni]

 

[Saladin]

Marriage is an arbitrary legal contract. If I ever have kids I could do it outside of marriage in a long term relationship.

Anyone who encourages men to get married during today's legal system in the West is very naive.

Hell, even Statistics Canada shows the hugely disproportionate effect on divorce on men-

http://voices.yahoo.com/breakthrough-study-finds-divorce-hits-men-harder-361470.html?cat=72

"Statistics Canada, a Canadian statistical agency run by the government, reported that divorced men, age 20 to 64, were up to about six times more likely to develop psychological and emotional issues, such a depression, than were men who were in a relationship or married."

 

[uni]

The main problem, the root cause of what is happening at divorces,
is that american women still think that it is very cool to be a feminist,
and destroy men,

while american men some are white knights and manginas, and
much too few stand to fight against the menhating feminists