Patriot Front Thread

[Ember]

This photo pretty much proves they are not Feds. America First followers on Gab are circulating unredacted photos from the leaked documents.

But this is not surprising, considering that AF allowed all their followers to be filmed by Louis Theroux at the AF conference. The documentary hit piece is coming out very soon.

 

[Ember]

Commenters on Gab are saying that this video is fake, and looks nothing like other PF video releases. As Joe Prich noticed: The first fat guy we see in 'PF' just happens to be in this video?

This calls into question all materials sourced from the 'leak'.

 

[MichaelWitcoff]

I think they have better optics than any other group, but you also have to be a moron to join any of these organizations in 2022. Even if they aren’t led by feds, there are unquestionably plants there documenting everything and it’s eventually going to catch up with you.

What I recommend is finding a very small tight-knit group of trustworthy guys who you prepare for the collapse with. No group names, uniforms, websites, marches, or other stupid things that get you on the radar.

 

[It_is_my_time]

I think they have better optics than any other group, but you also have to be a moron to join any of these organizations in 2022. Even if they aren’t led by feds, there are unquestionably plants there documenting everything and it’s eventually going to catch up with you.

I don't want to speak for others, but I feel I am in a unique situation where as a mid 40's X'er I live with a lot of the problems the zoomer men face.

I think for many zoomer men there is just little to no other choice. College costs are sky high and if you are a white male you are enemy #1 your entire time on campus, IF you can even get into the colleges your ancestors founded for you to use. Going the blue collar route is a better alternative for the time being. But with inflation, with women's behavior going right down the drain, with every standard of living falling through the floor, this is at best a temporary fix to a major problem. It would be like putting a band-aid on a wound that needs 12 stitches.

I believe many zoomer men joining groups like these see no other way out. They are mostly/all young white men from middle to lower class families with little to no future in front of them and the party who is supposed to represent their interests gets absolutely nothing done.

If you are 38, have a good job, then you should certainly steer clear for the time being. But I can't call a 19 year old man with no future in this system a "moron" for joining the only group who shares his interests and has so far kept them out of jail and out of trouble. I would recommend against it, but I can also understand why some make the choice.

I pray we find a peaceful solution for all of this, I pray for this nightly. I strongly recommend not joining groups like this, for the time being, but I can't judge young men with no future in this system for doing so.

 

[OrthoMexicano]

Joining group like this dumb. Unless you know guy from childhood you know nothing about motive, that why community so important, you grow up know them, you know if in school if he want government federal career (like usa fed)

 

[Parmesan]

If someone really wanted to, you could join one of these groups and make a lot of vague, angry comments about "the state of things", and see how long it takes for someone to start finessing you into speaking of violence. The FBI was doing this with stupid Muslim radicals on social media years ago.

 

[rainy]

I don't think this is a real group. Their movements, clothing, style and general actions like incredibly fake to me.

 

[DanielH]

It seems like a genuine group to me, but if you're someone placing God first this doesn't seem like the group to be in. Do you think they talk about Christ at their meetings? No, I can pretty much guarantee due to my past affiliation with another group people shouldn't join, that they only talk about stuff the group was founded for, which in this case would be ethno-nationalism. Some of that is fine, but it's going to be people who absolutely obsess over that stuff. Like @It_is_my_time said, I can't fault a 19 year old joining this group, but I would recommend finding real people in your community, i.e. your neighborhood and your church, network with them, work on securing food resources, things like that way before joining this group.

 

[Samseau]

How did they get to be surrounded by a ring of cops like that, apart from other Trump'ers? Makes no sense whatsoever, looks staged to me. I've been so many Trump related events and have seen it all, ranging from groups to kooks, yet never did they need a ring of cops around them because of a banner that said "strong families make strong nations." Why is that so controversial to cause someone to attack them, or why would they need cops to protect them?

Definitely looks like FBI, in fact, the woman who was arrested for all we know was merely arrested as part of the act, or on trumped up charges. Perhaps she just wanted to go talk to one of them, and then gets arrested because for some incredible reason these "Patriot Front" guys are able to get a private police line...?

As for the grunts within the group, they may not suspect anything, but something is way off about how the right to life protest was conducted, my lie detector is spinning in circles right now. The leaders of this group are HIGHLY LIKELY to be controlled opposition, and it seems to be a decently funded campaign (which, ironically, is a sign of corrupt money) complete with it's own marketing brand to lure in disenfranchised White men.

Any true resistance will be underground, with zero media coverage.

 

[DavidKnight]

It seems like a genuine group to me, but if you're someone placing God first this doesn't seem like the group to be in. Do you think they talk about Christ at their meetings?

Seems like a strange objection to be honest. Is a Christian man allowed to join a local basketball team if it doesn't focus on the "Christ-centered" way of dribbling the ball? Can he work for and accept compensation from a soy corporation where openly stating his beliefs on gay marriage would lead to termination? For that matter, perhaps there should be no threads allowed on this forum which are not explicitly Christian in nature, because their very presence might cause a man to be less focused on God at all times.

 

[It_is_my_time]

How did they get to be surrounded by a ring of cops like that, apart from other Trump'ers? Makes no sense whatsoever, looks staged to me. I've been so many Trump related events and have seen it all, ranging from groups to kooks, yet never did they need a ring of cops around them because of a banner that said "strong families make strong nations." Why is that so controversial to cause someone to attack them, or why would they need cops to protect them?

Definitely looks like FBI, in fact, the woman who was arrested for all we know was merely arrested as part of the act, or on trumped up charges. Perhaps she just wanted to go talk to one of them, and then gets arrested because for some incredible reason these "Patriot Front" guys are able to get a private police line...?

As for the grunts within the group, they may not suspect anything, but something is way off about how the right to life protest was conducted, my lie detector is spinning in circles right now. The leaders of this group are HIGHLY LIKELY to be controlled opposition, and it seems to be a decently funded campaign (which, ironically, is a sign of corrupt money) complete with it's own marketing brand to lure in disenfranchised White men.

Any true resistance will be underground, with zero media coverage.

I heard an interview with the Patriot Front leader, Thomas Rousseau, and he addressed some of these points.

They try to find places to protest where it will get a lot of visibility but the police HAVE to keep order. The best place is Washington DC. The last thing this country wants is full scale street battles on the national mall. So the national mall cops must allow their 1A to be protected and will work with them so they can plan a demonstration there and have police protection. Some might point out the Trump inauguration, but that was one sided, the side approved by the elites (Antifa) and even it was contained enough to prevent full spread chaos.

They actually did a parade rally is Philadelphia and the police lead them into an Antifa trap. They instead took the long route away from Antifa, right into the ghetto and were able to get out unharmed. So the police have tried to set them up as well, but since they don't just support the thin blue line and think the police will take their side in a conflict, they were able to get out without being harmed. They are a step ahead because they don't play the fake two party dichotomy, which is a HUGE advantage.

As for the woman getting arrested. Was she arrested for trying to talk to them or was she arrested for trying to talk to them after the police repeatedly told her to stay back? My guess is the latter. She wanted to talk to them, they were not interested because it does them no good to talk to someone who is very emotional and very unaware of the situation we face, and just ignored her. The police can't baby sit forever so eventually after ignoring their commands they arrest her. That is my guess anyway. If you are anywhere and the police tell you to do something, it is best to just do it for the time being. Getting arrested isn't going to do anyone any good, so just do whatever the police ask of you and wait for another day.

My guess is the feds have either tried to infiltrate Patriot Front or already have. But they will run into a wall because of their rigid structure and command will keep their members from going off cockeyed and doing some "kidnap the governor" hair brained plan. So they would struggle to get their members to do something harmful. Meanwhile they have been able to go after the Oath Keepers and their leader is facing 20 years in prison, and that might bite back on Alex Jones and Nick Fuentes depending on what communication they find and what they consider "sedition".

I would recommend avoiding all these groups for the time being. We can't run forever but we are also no where close to the time to panic. Local like minded Christian men you know well and trust your family with is where you should start. My only point is making sure we know what a Fed Op is. And Feds are experts at blending in, picking out the weak link of a group and targeting them to do something illegal. Patriot Front doesn't fit that for me, for the time being. But I withhold final judgment until I see more out of them and where this country is heading.

 

[DanielH]

Seems like a strange objection to be honest. Is a Christian man allowed to join a local basketball team if it doesn't focus on the "Christ-centered" way of dribbling the ball? Can he work for and accept compensation from a soy corporation where openly stating his beliefs on gay marriage would lead to termination? For that matter, perhaps there should be no threads allowed on this forum which are not explicitly Christian in nature, because their very presence might cause a man to be less focused on God at all times.

There's no reason for a political organization not to put Christ at the center of their organization. The Romanian Iron Guard did this. In Orthodoxy the ideal government is a fusion of the Church and the State. If you read the Old Testament, there is no distinction between political office and religious affairs. Godless politicians and countries are condemned. Read the books of the Kingdoms and see what happens when a king or country neglects the worship of God. And yes, a basketball team should ideally pray together. Prayer needs to be brought back into our culture. My [public] high school wrestling team prayed before matches. It should be brought back in schools and in judicial settings. Christ is the ultimate Teacher, Judge, and King, and we should follow His example.

 

[Turretin]

I don't even know if the feds are everywhere of that the rumour they are just makes people too fearful to form groups.

 

[DavidKnight]

There's no reason for a political organization not to put Christ at the center of their organization. The Romanian Iron Guard did this. In Orthodoxy the ideal government is a fusion of the Church and the State. If you read the Old Testament, there is no distinction between political office and religious affairs. Godless politicians and countries are condemned. Read the books of the Kingdoms and see what happens when a king or country neglects the worship of God. And yes, a basketball team should ideally pray together. Prayer needs to be brought back into our culture. My [public] high school wrestling team prayed before matches. It should be brought back in schools and in judicial settings. Christ is the ultimate Teacher, Judge, and King, and we should follow His example.

So Christian men should quit their jobs at secular corporations if the manager doesn't lead them in prayer each day?

 

[Ape]

I don't know this specific group, but it looks they say good things. On a more general level, in the past I'd consider myself a nationalist, but then I realized the ideas I was defending were in fact modernistic, liberal ideas and I was fighting agains conservative ideas such as Islam, which infiltrated society due to purposeful open borders. I'm quite curious to hear the take of you guys, do you still consider yourself an American patriot, and if so what's the time frame you'd like to go back to ideally? Like at this point I see people portraying themselves as patriots, but you're defending a corpse that's rotten to the core and has been for decades. I don't see really what's there to defend anymore.

(This one is going to be a bit long)
I was mildly acquainted with these guys before Patriot Front broke off from Vanguard America when an internal dispute over leadership happened (if memory serves me). I can pretty confidently say that almost 100% of these guys are NatSocs or just generally racialist in their core beliefs. I also think it very likely that feds are in the mix or have some kind of monitoring for the group.

You just can't have something like this that's not only dissident but also has a certain level of mainstream recognition go unobserved by the intelligence apparatuses that be. It's just not a reality. So not only is it true that many if not all members are NatSoc but it's certainly possible that there are feds, in this case it's not one or the other I believe.

My take is that as a Christian the internal belief system of the group us incompatible with the Orthodox Christian conception of man as taught by the Lord through the Bible and the tradition of the church. Man is a spiritual animal, a vessel that can be filled up with whatever is poured into it. If men share in the worship of the Lord, then they are of the same spirit, and peace can exist. But if the society is multicultural and multiracial, then the society is not of the same spirit, and those racial divisions will only make the society schizophrenic and internally unstable.

Psalm 127:1 "Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

With all that said, I think the idea of a global system as it now stands in the world is impossible and insane. However, it's the natural result of power accumulation and even of true international cooperation with good intentions. Nationalism can be just as bad in that the state or people can become a form of idol worship. But I nevertheless go with the option of the Nation because it's either that or the increasingly totalitarian system that's been developing. I also think it's a normal way of running the world in its current fallen form.

In my mind American Nationalism can be a good thing if built upon a better foundation, but the image I have in my head is that of a group of people fighting not necessarily because it isn't a rotten corpse, but that despite its rottenness there is a chance of wrongs being righted in our part of the world. Ultimately it will be a Christian flourishing that'll help the nation and not an explicitly political one, because it's not a fight necessarily for power but for the soul of the nation. How do we define ourselves? Who is God?What is man? What's his destiny?

I bit rambling but I think it all pertains to the original question. The only thing I'd ask as of now is do you believe Islam to be a positive thing? I don't necessarily view it as good, I think it's only conservative in that it maintains are strict view of the family and of the woman, but aside from that I think it's a very demented and wicked religious system built by a false prophet worshipping a false god.

 

[Turretin]

Islam is not conservative, if you want to conserve Christian society, and America was founded as a Christian society, by the Puritans, who were English Calvinists, and their idea of freedom of religion did not include non-christian cults. It would be a good thing, if Americans would embrace the tradition that founded their nation.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

There's no reason for a political organization not to put Christ at the center of their organization. The Romanian Iron Guard did this. In Orthodoxy the ideal government is a fusion of the Church and the State. If you read the Old Testament, there is no distinction between political office and religious affairs. Godless politicians and countries are condemned. Read the books of the Kingdoms and see what happens when a king or country neglects the worship of God. And yes, a basketball team should ideally pray together. Prayer needs to be brought back into our culture. My [public] high school wrestling team prayed before matches. It should be brought back in schools and in judicial settings. Christ is the ultimate Teacher, Judge, and King, and we should follow His example.

Well spoken, in the past I was the most staunch distinguish between state and Church guy out there, but now I see that when you do that inevitably the decline starts. That's a general tendency I've noticed, that when one domino is removed the whole building block slowly starts to collapse bit by bit, whether it's giving women some ''rights'' in feminism, disentangling state and Church or in our personal lives (watching porn, then bad eating habits, then self attack in one day). Lesson here is to keep the standard high, otherwise all will collapse. And with regard to the state, what is the state anyway besides a layer to keep a group of people and a system together so they could live a Godly live, within the confines of the law and general rules?

(This one is going to be a bit long)
I was mildly acquainted with these guys before Patriot Front broke off from Vanguard America when an internal dispute over leadership happened (if memory serves me). I can pretty confidently say that almost 100% of these guys are NatSocs or just generally racialist in their core beliefs. I also think it very likely that feds are in the mix or have some kind of monitoring for the group.

You just can't have something like this that's not only dissident but also has a certain level of mainstream recognition go unobserved by the intelligence apparatuses that be. It's just not a reality. So not only is it true that many if not all members are NatSoc but it's certainly possible that there are feds, in this case it's not one or the other I believe.

My take is that as a Christian the internal belief system of the group us incompatible with the Orthodox Christian conception of man as taught by the Lord through the Bible and the tradition of the church. Man is a spiritual animal, a vessel that can be filled up with whatever is poured into it. If men share in the worship of the Lord, then they are of the same spirit, and peace can exist. But if the society is multicultural and multiracial, then the society is not of the same spirit, and those racial divisions will only make the society schizophrenic and internally unstable.

Psalm 127:1 "Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."

With all that said, I think the idea of a global system as it now stands in the world is impossible and insane. However, it's the natural result of power accumulation and even of true international cooperation with good intentions. Nationalism can be just as bad in that the state or people can become a form of idol worship. But I nevertheless go with the option of the Nation because it's either that or the increasingly totalitarian system that's been developing. I also think it's a normal way of running the world in its current fallen form.

In my mind American Nationalism can be a good thing if built upon a better foundation, but the image I have in my head is that of a group of people fighting not necessarily because it isn't a rotten corpse, but that despite its rottenness there is a chance of wrongs being righted in our part of the world. Ultimately it will be a Christian flourishing that'll help the nation and not an explicitly political one, because it's not a fight necessarily for power but for the soul of the nation. How do we define ourselves? Who is God?What is man? What's his destiny?

I bit rambling but I think it all pertains to the original question. The only thing I'd ask as of now is do you believe Islam to be a positive thing? I don't necessarily view it as good, I think it's only conservative in that it maintains are strict view of the family and of the woman, but aside from that I think it's a very demented and wicked religious system built by a false prophet worshipping a false god.

That's my point with many contemporary nationalist groups, usually they are conservative as in conserving the liberal freedoms we have (freedom for women, freedom for gays, freedom, freedom, freedom, the West is so free!) while in fact these are the opposite of freedom, as you come to learn when you get a religious perspective on things. I was more on the liberal conservative populist end hence I saw Islam as a threat to ''our freedoms''. With regard to Islam, the fact that Muslims come in en masse is just a battering ram to steer conflict in order to divide and conquer Western populations, another weakening mechanism, which has played out fantastically. In the core for exact the reasons you say I think Islam is a great foundation for a society, but in my opinion it lacks the loving aspect in comparison with Christianity, in some respects it looks a bit forced to me, while you want behavior of people to come from the heart ideally. Now for the West Islam and atheistic nihilism like we have now both isn't the end all be all obviously, but sadly that's the trap we're in, at least in Europe.

In general by the way about Patriot Front, how does the media perceive it? That'd tell a lot about whether it could be a glowy operation.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Well spoken, in the past I was the most staunch distinguish between state and Church guy out there, but now I see that when you do that inevitably the decline starts. That's a general tendency I've noticed, that when one domino is removed the whole building block slowly starts to collapse bit by bit, whether it's giving women some ''rights'' in feminism, disentangling state and Church or in our personal lives (watching porn, then bad eating habits, then self attack in one day). Lesson here is to keep the standard high, otherwise all will collapse. And with regard to the state, what is the state anyway besides a layer to keep a group of people and a system together so they could live a Godly live, within the confines of the law and general rules?

That's my point with many contemporary nationalist groups, usually they are conservative as in conserving the liberal freedoms we have (freedom for women, freedom for gays, freedom, freedom, freedom, the West is so free!) while in fact these are the opposite of freedom, as you come to learn when you get a religious perspective on things. I was more on the liberal conservative populist end hence I saw Islam as a threat to ''our freedoms''. With regard to Islam, the fact that Muslims come in en masse is just a battering ram to steer conflict in order to divide and conquer Western populations, another weakening mechanism, which has played out fantastically. In the core for exact the reasons you say I think Islam is a great foundation for a society, but in my opinion it lacks the loving aspect in comparison with Christianity, in some respects it looks a bit forced to me, while you want behavior of people to come from the heart ideally. Now for the West Islam and atheistic nihilism like we have now both isn't the end all be all obviously, but sadly that's the trap we're in, at least in Europe.

In general by the way about Patriot Front, how does the media perceive it? That'd tell a lot about whether it could be a glowy operation.

The media hates them. You could say their reason for existing is just to stir up the media to drive a narrative, but the media certainly doesn't like them.

Philadelphia bystanders ran the Patriot Front out of town.

 

[Parmesan]

The media hates them. You could say their reason for existing is just to stir up the media to drive a narrative, but the media certainly doesn't like them.

Philadelphia bystanders ran the Patriot Front out of town.

This is what bothers me most: if they aren't feds, their symbolism and tactics are a leftist media wet dream. Marching to the Lincoln memorial in white face masks, shin guards, shields, etc. it's KKK-esque. Their demeanor is intentionally intimidating to leftists, so of course the media loves to point and say, "SEE, SEE! NAZIS! WE TOLD YOU!" So, fed speculation aside, they do nothing but reinforce lefty, "white supremacist" delusions. I know maybe some on this board have a soft spot for this brand of authoritarianism, but running around and trying trigger and intimate leftists this way, is just a gold mine of imagery to affirm lefty media narratives. Groups like this aren't the way to start gaining ground in the culture war.

 

[BarrontheTigercat]

If I look at what was the EDL in the UK, what is now brave Tommy Robinson who was an actual football hooligan for Luton Towns firm, and his motley crew of working class reprobates and ex forces veterans..
Tommy was the perfect example of an organic red Pilling. Growing up in a mixed race, poor town like Luton which had many riots back in the 90s and which was top of every worst town in Britain competition in every mens magazine or online poll, and watching the Muslims take over , his black friends get beaten up and the police ignore it all.

His followers..
They dress like a rag tag mob, are ugly as sin most of them, are constantly in fighting and falling out, falling prey to addictions and being cast out, running off to Hope not Hate and doing tell alls..

Those guys are in the news because the families of underage rape victims get intimidated in places like Telford, their cars being set on fire, .. Tommy starts a social media campaign and in response the police say that there was no crime and they don't care effectively.
Then the shout goes out on social media, people share phone numbers, lifts, coordinate (most say they have to feed the cat and programme their digital TV recorder otherwise they'd come straight away but anyway that they are there in spirit) and within 24 hours there are 20 unshaven, sweaty blokes in tracksuits lounging around looking bored in the front room of that address and the Muslim gangs panic a little.
So the Muslims go out and start setting fire to cars outside properties that aren't as well protected ..
Then the press gets wind of it
Then the police have to answer questions..
All this happens in real time.
That is what an organic movement looks like.

But here's the thing..

Tommy seems to post every 5 minutes 24/7.
Not possible.
He gets his teeth kicked out in jail, survives attacks, gets sent to Belmarsh but to this day survives more or less unscathed.
He is obviously backed by some very powerful and influential people.
With the whole GETTR launch many started asking if he was backed by jews.
Tommys channel just banned them and removed all comments questioning his involvement with Gettr.

Basically he is run and his accounts are run by Zionist jews. They posted about aa Glasgow Rangers supporters firm saying down with the SNP. many said a zionist channel boosting their partisan allies like the UDA the Chelsea headhunters etc. won't make a difference..

That second they banned all those questioning their moves. Zionist Jews using Tommy's channel for their propaganda and control, paranoid about being named by anyone.

And these are people with back stories with personalities.. even avi Yemeni without a movement behind him seems a real and interesting person.

Jews give alt right figures the protection and organisation they need. Paid for by goyim taxpayers. Upset the jew and political figures are in the wilderness. .

Now.

These Guys.. Patriot Front..
Where do we start?

They look like a casting call for the movie Backdraft.

Their tailored outfits, square jaws, almost uniform height..

Do me a favour.

There may be lots of interesting things that they end up saying and many reasons why people sympathise with them occupying a particular niche in the alt Right but they are..

FED.

All Day Long.

It's remarkable how clueless the optics of these fed fantasies are.
But then, we re not their target audience.
Credulous resistance liberals and soyboys, and gender queer students and wine aunts are their target audience.