Patriot Front Thread

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
Well spoken, in the past I was the most staunch distinguish between state and Church guy out there, but now I see that when you do that inevitably the decline starts.
Many societies with divinely instituted kings have fallen. The government matters, but the individuals and their convictions consitute society.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
A well regulated militia.... As in regalia. Well dressed. Most people don't understand this
There are diaries and letters of many SS members, who write that they joined because of the cool uniforms.

I have now seen that clip of Patriot Front saying "Sieg Heil" - they are probably feds - what is their purpose and mission statement?
 

Easy_C

Peacock
I don't even know if the feds are everywhere of that the rumour they are just makes people too fearful to form groups.
They probe everywhere, but don't have the resources to actually be everywhere.

For example: one of my acquaintances was at a BBQ for the rancher's association. Some dude nobody has ever seen before shows up, starts probing other people there, and fishing with suggestions that the ranchers need to revolt against the government (very obvious probing and pushing). Dude got thrown out and everyone there figured out what was up.
 

Samseau

Peacock
Orthodox
Gold Member
They try to find places to protest where it will get a lot of visibility but the police HAVE to keep order. The best place is Washington DC. The last thing this country wants is full scale street battles on the national mall. So the national mall cops must allow their 1A to be protected and will work with them so they can plan a demonstration there and have police protection. Some might point out the Trump inauguration, but that was one sided, the side approved by the elites (Antifa) and even it was contained enough to prevent full spread chaos.

Again, why would they need separate police protection from other right-wingers at a march for life rally? They weren't marching in Chicago, where being pro-family would be incendiary, but in DC with other pro-life people. Screams FAKE.

Additionally, the guy running this show (Tom Rousseau) came out of another busted Vanguard America group... that was a controlled opposition group, and this guy was part of that group's downfall as an active saboteur, or recruited by the FBI to work for them afterwards, or became an informant instead of serving a prison sentence. There are too many warning signs to ignore here, and the way Patriot Front has it's members go deep into enemy territory to do stupid things and get vilified by braindead liberals tells me all I need to know.

Remember, how do true patriots fight? They fight to win. Our founding fathers NEVER revealed themselves to the enemy, and used guerilla tactics till the very end of the war. They were outnumbered and outgunned; why would they march deep into enemy territory and reveal themselves with a giant target on their heads?

Mark my words, Patriot Front is going to get its members killed due to a leader deliberately doing the worst possible actions that actually help the enemy. Not only should we stay away, but we need to tell anyone we know to get out of the honeypot before they end up like the guys at Unite the Right.

True resistance will never get media coverage because the real leaders would never want to promote something threatening to their existence.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
Well spoken, in the past I was the most staunch distinguish between state and Church guy out there, but now I see that when you do that inevitably the decline starts. That's a general tendency I've noticed, that when one domino is removed the whole building block slowly starts to collapse bit by bit, whether it's giving women some ''rights'' in feminism, disentangling state and Church or in our personal lives (watching porn, then bad eating habits, then self attack in one day). Lesson here is to keep the standard high, otherwise all will collapse. And with regard to the state, what is the state anyway besides a layer to keep a group of people and a system together so they could live a Godly live, within the confines of the law and general rules?

That's my point with many contemporary nationalist groups, usually they are conservative as in conserving the liberal freedoms we have (freedom for women, freedom for gays, freedom, freedom, freedom, the West is so free!) while in fact these are the opposite of freedom, as you come to learn when you get a religious perspective on things. I was more on the liberal conservative populist end hence I saw Islam as a threat to ''our freedoms''. With regard to Islam, the fact that Muslims come in en masse is just a battering ram to steer conflict in order to divide and conquer Western populations, another weakening mechanism, which has played out fantastically. In the core for exact the reasons you say I think Islam is a great foundation for a society, but in my opinion it lacks the loving aspect in comparison with Christianity, in some respects it looks a bit forced to me, while you want behavior of people to come from the heart ideally. Now for the West Islam and atheistic nihilism like we have now both isn't the end all be all obviously, but sadly that's the trap we're in, at least in Europe.

In general by the way about Patriot Front, how does the media perceive it? That'd tell a lot about whether it could be a glowy operation.

This is a really good point and I wish more conservatives talked about this. Christianity can't just be a part of our movement along with the American flag, the constitution and FREEDOM - it has to be the center piece. The freedoms we should promote in this country should be the freedom against government overreach when it comes to things like censorship, gun grabbing, policing Churches, unlawful searches and seizures, etc.

I definitely fell for this post 9/11 neo-con liberal democracy version of America where we were the polar opposite of the Middle East. They had weird desert people with stuffy laws and women in burkas where we had hot chicks in bikinis making out with each other, people who could love each other freely and you could do and say whatever you want. Looking back on it, I can't believe how big of a psyop this was especially when Dubya and Cheney would say things like, "if we don't do ___, then the terrorists win!"

I think a tough redpill that conservatives need to swallow is that we don't need to go back to the 1950s. I get that the 50s were aesthetically pleasing because everything was clean and homogenous but there was a dark underbelly. The 1950s was rife with consumerism and while the hedonism wasn't on public display like it would be in the 60s, it was bubbling underneath the surface as the teenagers were still dating, smoking pot and drinking. The father typically wasn't around that much because he was at work and social gatherings with his buddies. When he was at work, he was surrounded with attractive young secretaries and admin staff. It wouldn't be out of the question for the father and mother to both be lushes or for the husband to have an affair. This led to neglected children who swung hard the other way and became hippies, druggies and degenerates when they grew up.

In my opinion we should get back to the tribal family - not the nuclear family. I'm talking multigenerational households like they do in poorer parts of the world (and Asians still do in America.) That way you don't have to outsource childcare to daycares, immigrant nannies and au pairs, and the public school system. It also makes homeschooling more manageable. Ideally the father should work remotely and the mother shouldn't work at all. The family house should feel lived in and busy rather than this sterile, cold living space with tons of screens and appliances. Ideally these tribal families would network with one another and form Christian fellowship groups with the fathers at the helm.

We saw in Virginia how the Democrats can't attack families and concerned parents as easily as they can go after Trump supporters and "patriots." Those same parents flipped Virginia to red and sent the woke school board members running for cover.
 

Turretin

 
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Protestant
@Denam8487

Great post. Let me add an idea: If you look how the White tax payer is being treated, wouldn't it be logical to say "We stop working and paying taxes and get on welfare now and just make babies"?
 

Cavalier

Kingfisher
Orthodox
Islam is not conservative, if you want to conserve Christian society, and America was founded as a Christian society, by the Puritans, who were English Calvinists, and their idea of freedom of religion did not include non-christian cults. It would be a good thing, if Americans would embrace the tradition that founded their nation.
I don’t think that the Puritans really believed in religious freedom. It is unfortunate that the Founding Fathers included freedom to practice all religions in the Constitution instead of allowing only Trinitarian Christian denominations. Perhaps that was by design though as many were Masons.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
I don’t think that the Puritans really believed in religious freedom. It is unfortunate that the Founding Fathers included freedom to practice all religions in the Constitution instead of allowing only Trinitarian Christian denominations. Perhaps that was by design though as many were Masons.
They believed in religious freedom, at least for themselves. Some of the Founding Fathers had a special hatred for the Puritans - the Puritans were trinitarian and predestinarian, the Masons were free will deists. The Founding Fathers (some, not all) were already a perversion of the American idea.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
@Denam8487

Great post. Let me add an idea: If you look how the White tax payer is being treated, wouldn't it be logical to say "We stop working and paying taxes and get on welfare now and just make babies"?

I'm of two minds about that. On the one hand, I have no problem taking back what the government has taken from me via taxation and finding any loophole possible in order to recoup those losses. I'm also in favor of government policies like they have in Hungary to financially support big families.

On the other hand, I don't think wholesale dependence on the government for food and shelter would result in a net positive. The blacks in America are helplessly dependent on the government and it only increased broken families within their community (24% out of wedlock rate in 1965 to 64% in 1990.)

I think that self-governance, familial networks and alternative platforms/economies within likeminded communities is a preferable system. I also think a key thing is cutting down on consumption especially when it comes to vehicles, electronics, eating out, etc. and allocating your resources to help achieve this.
 

Turretin

 
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Protestant
I'm of two minds about that. On the one hand, I have no problem taking back what the government has taken from me via taxation and finding any loophole possible in order to recoup those losses. I'm also in favor of government policies like they have in Hungary to financially support big families.

On the other hand, I don't think wholesale dependence on the government for food and shelter would result in a net positive. The blacks in America are helplessly dependent on the government and it only increased broken families within their community (24% out of wedlock rate in 1965 to 64% in 1990.)

I think that self-governance, familial networks and alternative platforms/economies within likeminded communities is a preferable system. I also think a key thing is cutting down on consumption especially when it comes to vehicles, electronics, eating out, etc. and allocating your resources to help achieve this.
The welfare lifestyle I have in mind includes living in a rural area and gardening and having animals.
 

Gimlet

Pelican
The welfare lifestyle I have in mind includes living in a rural area and gardening and having animals.
That isn't how it works. When you take welfare for housing, the government tells you where you can live and pays the property owner directly. "Section 8" housing is where you would have to live. I used to live in NYC. When looking for an apartment, I shunned all listings that said "Section 8 approved" as did everyone else not on welfare. In those buildings, people would drop their garbage out of the window rather than walk it down the stairs and put into the dumpster like a normal person. Elevators smelling like piss, drug deals in the stairs landing...
 

Turretin

 
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Protestant
That isn't how it works. When you take welfare for housing, the government tells you where you can live and pays the property owner directly. "Section 8" housing is where you would have to live. I used to live in NYC. When looking for an apartment, I shunned all listings that said "Section 8 approved" as did everyone else not on welfare. In those buildings, people would drop their garbage out of the window rather than walk it down the stairs and put into the dumpster like a normal person. Elevators smelling like piss, drug deals in the stairs landing...
Aren't there Whites in rural areas on welfare, in the Appalaches, who live in their own houses and trailers?
 

Elipe

Ostrich
Protestant
That isn't how it works. When you take welfare for housing, the government tells you where you can live and pays the property owner directly. "Section 8" housing is where you would have to live. I used to live in NYC. When looking for an apartment, I shunned all listings that said "Section 8 approved" as did everyone else not on welfare. In those buildings, people would drop their garbage out of the window rather than walk it down the stairs and put into the dumpster like a normal person. Elevators smelling like piss, drug deals in the stairs landing...
Indeed. The white man thrives when there is land aplenty and nobody but himself to say what he can and can't do with it. The settler blood runs in the white man's veins, especially an American's. That is why the dream of colonizing space is mostly a white endeavor. Whites dream of striking out on their own and staking a claim on a piece of space rock. We make our own opportunities, we don't wait for someone else to hand it out to us.
 

Gimlet

Pelican
Aren't there Whites in rural areas on welfare, in the Appalaches, who live in their own houses and trailers?

With enough land to keep animals and grow food? I doubt it, but to be honest I have no real knowledge of the area. What I have seen are filthy conditions much like the cities, but side by side in trailers instead of stack up in one building.
 

MartyMcFly

Ostrich
Other Christian
With enough land to keep animals and grow food? I doubt it, but to be honest I have no real knowledge of the area. What I have seen are filthy conditions much like the cities, but side by side in trailers instead of stack up in one building.
The rural folks with filthy trailers likely have bad habits like drug abuse, alcoholism, children out of wedlock, and some are on welfare. Unless you are sick or disabled or have a severe mental illness or you are doing some kind of construction or project, there is no excuse to have a trashy yard. The Appalachians have some of the highest drug overdose rates in the USA (they claim to be poor but somehow have plenty of money to have fun and abuse drugs).

Keeping animals and growing food can be done but it would take discipline to save money to buy the land and create a self-sustaining farm. You would need a fair amount of land to have over half your food needs met on your land. However, you can grow some veggies on a small patch of land (which helps you gain needed skills) while saving money to buy more land.
 

Gimlet

Pelican
The rural folks with filthy trailers likely have bad habits like drug abuse, alcoholism, children out of wedlock, and some are on welfare. Unless you are sick or disabled or have a severe mental illness or you are doing some kind of construction or project, there is no excuse to have a trashy yard. The Appalachians have some of the highest drug overdose rates in the USA (they claim to be poor but somehow have plenty of money to have fun and abuse drugs).

Keeping animals and growing food can be done but it would take discipline to save money to buy the land and create a self-sustaining farm. You would need a fair amount of land to have over half your food needs met on your land. However, you can grow some veggies on a small patch of land (which helps you gain needed skills) while saving money to buy more land.

We were talking about living on the welfare system. Here is what I initially responded to:
The welfare lifestyle I have in mind includes living in a rural area and gardening and having animals.

Buying land does not fit in with the welfare lifestyle.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
We were talking about living on the welfare system. Here is what I initially responded to:


Buying land does not fit in with the welfare lifestyle.
If I am broke now because I spent all my money on buying land, it does. That is the plan. Imagine, if a large group of people would come together and do that. I think of it as financial warfare against the system.
 

Denam8487

Robin
Catholic
If I am broke now because I spent all my money on buying land, it does. That is the plan. Imagine, if a large group of people would come together and do that. I think of it as financial warfare against the system.

Buying land in areas that are rising in value when interest rates are low isn’t a bad idea. Particularly because you don’t need that large of a parcel. From there, you can take out money to build a property which you can rent out. My wife and I did this last spring and while we haven’t built on the parcel yet, it’s nice to have in our back pocket, particularly because the land is accruing in value.

Buying a large parcel of land and having a bunch of likeminded individuals move with you to help homestead is a nice idea but requires a ton of moving parts, knowledge of raising animals and growing crops and figuring out a means of sustainable food and energy. It’s a pretty tall order and I think you’re better off operating and networking within areas with an established infrastructure.
 

Turretin

 
Banned
Protestant
The rural folks with filthy trailers likely have bad habits like drug abuse, alcoholism, children out of wedlock, and some are on welfare. Unless you are sick or disabled or have a severe mental illness or you are doing some kind of construction or project, there is no excuse to have a trashy yard. The Appalachians have some of the highest drug overdose rates in the USA (they claim to be poor but somehow have plenty of money to have fun and abuse drugs).

Keeping animals and growing food can be done but it would take discipline to save money to buy the land and create a self-sustaining farm. You would need a fair amount of land to have over half your food needs met on your land. However, you can grow some veggies on a small patch of land (which helps you gain needed skills) while saving money to buy more land.
There is a YT channel, Soft White Underbelly, I think, is the name. He interviews prostitutes, pimps, junkies and characters as such. He also has an entire series of interviews with Appalachian people.
 
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