Patriot Front Thread

[Zach]

I agree with the sentiment that Whites should take any welfare offered to them if they find themselves qualifying for it. However, you cannot let that free money make you into a slave. You have to be willing to give that up at any minute. View it as an extra. In the next 10-15 years, anyone on welfare, or dependent on debt to survive, will have the rug pulled out from under them. The debt system is on the way out, the Great Reset is on the way in. This involves a global debt reset program. They will wipe out your debts, so long as you accept your new serf status as a permanent renter, for everything. This is what they mean by "you'll own nothing".

Anyone with a mortgage should be making extra principal payments to get that paid off, getting out of other debts. They'll become an albatross around your neck. They already pretty much are.

 

[Turretin]

I agree with the sentiment that Whites should take any welfare offered to them if they find themselves qualifying for it. However, you cannot let that free money make you into a slave. You have to be willing to give that up at any minute. View it as an extra. In the next 10-15 years, anyone on welfare, or dependent on debt to survive, will have the rug pulled out from under them. The debt system is on the way out, the Great Reset is on the way in. This involves a global debt reset program. They will wipe out your debts, so long as you accept your new serf status as a permanent renter, for everything. This is what they mean by "you'll own nothing".

Anyone with a mortgage should be making extra principal payments to get that paid off, getting out of other debts. They'll become an albatross around your neck. They already pretty much are.

I would like to see all Whites stop paying taxes and get on welfare. That would wreck the system within months or weeks. At the moment, White people finance a system that hates them.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

I agree with the sentiment that Whites should take any welfare offered to them if they find themselves qualifying for it. However, you cannot let that free money make you into a slave. You have to be willing to give that up at any minute. View it as an extra. In the next 10-15 years, anyone on welfare, or dependent on debt to survive, will have the rug pulled out from under them. The debt system is on the way out, the Great Reset is on the way in. This involves a global debt reset program. They will wipe out your debts, so long as you accept your new serf status as a permanent renter, for everything. This is what they mean by "you'll own nothing".

Anyone with a mortgage should be making extra principal payments to get that paid off, getting out of other debts. They'll become an albatross around your neck. They already pretty much are.

Agree with the first paragraph, no offense but the second is terrible financial advice. If you got your mortgage anytime in the last decade and especially in the last 3-4 years you're getting essentially free money. 2.5% APR loan vs official inflation of 7% and real inflation likely in the 15-25% range....you do the math. If you want to start building up liquid funds in an asset class where you'll earn some returns on them and have that money earmarked to pay down your mortgage at a moment's notice should the need arise in future to do so that's one thing, but for the vast majority of people it makes no sense to pay any more than the bare minimum on their mortgage right now. Same goes for student loans which are for the most part also relatively low interest (typically about 5-7%) in the scheme of things--and while we're at it if you're in the US take advantage of the pause on student loan repayments for as long as it lasts.

 

[Zach]

Agree with the first paragraph, no offense but the second is terrible financial advice. If you got your mortgage anytime in the last decade and especially in the last 3-4 years you're getting essentially free money. 2.5% APR loan vs official inflation of 7% and real inflation likely in the 15-25% range....you do the math. If you want to start building up liquid funds in an asset class where you'll earn some returns on them and have that money earmarked to pay down your mortgage at a moment's notice should the need arise in future to do so that's one thing, but for the vast majority of people it makes no sense to pay any more than the bare minimum on their mortgage right now. Same goes for student loans which are for the most part also relatively low interest (typically about 5-7%) in the scheme of things--and while we're at it if you're in the US take advantage of the pause on student loan repayments for as long as it lasts.

Yes I agree in general, it wouldn't be prudent to do so in normal times, say 20 years ago, but we're coming up on the end of easy money. How many people are going to have ~300-400k they can just sock into their mortgage when they collapse this debt bubble? Very few. When that happens, those people better hope they pull out of the market in time. History tells us they won't. It's better IMO for the average person to make ~500 to 1000 a month additional principal payments to their mortgage to smooth it out, and get it paid down, while also investing in the market and buying the dips in stocks/crypto/etc. You also grossly underestimate the effect debt has on a person's mindset. While you have debt, you are essentially a slave to that debt, having to work to pay off that debt. This is why so many took the Jab. They can't afford to lose their jobs, they have mortgages to pay. Look, I agree Dave Ramsey is for midwits, but there is more to it than that. We have to look at what the elites are doing near-mid term and plan accordingly.

You seem financially astute, most people are not. Most people live well beyond their means and are highly leveraged all their lives. They need to begin getting out of that for what's coming.

Also, on a 30 year mortgage of 300k at 3% interest, you're paying 155,000 in interest to the Jews. Just an extra 500 per month, shaves over 11 years and cuts $64,000 in interest out. $1,000 per month saves over $90k in interest, and 16.5 years shaved off the mortgage. IDK about you but I really, really hate paying interest to the Jews, if I can avoid it.

Let me ask you this, why do you think they are getting people all saddled up with easy debt right now? Are you falling right into their hands?

Mortgage literally means "Death Pledge" in Latin, by the way. Do with that what you will.

 

[Easy_C]

Make sure you're correctly identifying your assumptions, and there is a massive one in your thinking:

You assume that the plan to cancel all the currency and go "great reset" is actually going to succeed. It's unlikely at best and is going to be extremely difficult to accomplish with the way the USD is structured as a currency.

And well. Dave may be "for midwits" but it's common sense, rational advice.

 

[Zach]

Make sure you're correctly identifying your assumptions, and there is a massive one in your thinking:

You assume that the plan to cancel all the currency and go "great reset" is actually going to succeed. It's unlikely at best and is going to be extremely difficult to accomplish with the way the USD is structured as a currency.

And well. Dave may be "for midwits" but it's common sense, rational advice.

Hey, midwits need financial advice too. I generally support Dave Ramsey, but I deviate a little bit from his advice. Props to him, I think he is a net positive, for sure.

They're definitely wanting to get rid of the USD and replace it with the Digital Dollar, or CBDC, the only way they can really do that is to devalue the dollar and blow up the economy. I sure hope you're right and they don't succeed, but either way this debt based system is unsustainable and anyone with "common sense" can see that.

It's called "hedging". Nobody can predict the future, but we can see trends on where things are going and prepare accordingly. I personally want to be completely debt free when the meltdown happens.

 

[Easy_C]

Yes, correct. That said I still don't favor holding debt UNLESS you have cash reserves or your assets are relatively liquid (which is, in the current environment, the case for some real assets not traditionally considered liquid).

It helps if you have a practical understanding of how the time-value of money works in the real world (Look it up on Investopedia if not familiar). Two key components of that discount rate are inflation rate and risk-equivalent interest rates. In the current environment I would consider holding hard assets (assuming you have enough nominal cash to cover it) because the inflation rate dramatically exceeds interest rates.

In Layman's terms that means you are effectively substituting your exposure to inflation with exposure to a rate with a few different components (interest rate on the loan + market price shifts for the asset + holding and transaction costs). Given that real inflation is above 15% and only trending up, while prices on assets such as land rise, it's going to be hard to not outperform cash.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Yes I agree in general, it wouldn't be prudent to do so in normal times, say 20 years ago, but we're coming up on the end of easy money. How many people are going to have ~300-400k they can just sock into their mortgage when they collapse this debt bubble? Very few. When that happens, those people better hope they pull out of the market in time. History tells us they won't. It's better IMO for the average person to make ~500 to 1000 a month additional principal payments to their mortgage to smooth it out, and get it paid down, while also investing in the market and buying the dips in stocks/crypto/etc. You also grossly underestimate the effect debt has on a person's mindset. While you have debt, you are essentially a slave to that debt, having to work to pay off that debt. This is why so many took the Jab. They can't afford to lose their jobs, they have mortgages to pay. Look, I agree Dave Ramsey is for midwits, but there is more to it than that. We have to look at what the elites are doing near-mid term and plan accordingly.

You seem financially astute, most people are not. Most people live well beyond their means and are highly leveraged all their lives. They need to begin getting out of that for what's coming.

Also, on a 30 year mortgage of 300k at 3% interest, you're paying 155,000 in interest to the Jews. Just an extra 500 per month, shaves over 11 years and cuts $64,000 in interest out. $1,000 per month saves over $90k in interest, and 16.5 years shaved off the mortgage. IDK about you but I really, really hate paying interest to the Jews, if I can avoid it.

Let me ask you this, why do you think they are getting people all saddled up with easy debt right now? Are you falling right into their hands?

Mortgage literally means "Death Pledge" in Latin, by the way. Do with that what you will.

Right but the flip side of that is, how many people are actually going to be able to pay their entire mortgage down in any sort of reasonable time horizon even by making extra payments? If TPTB decide they're going to come repossess the houses of anyone who has outstanding mortgage debt and can't pay it off immediately they're not going to care that you only still owe $50k and not $200k. True, it's easier to come up with $50k in an emergency than it is $200k (although may not be a material difference if everyone else in the country is in the same situation)....but in the scenario where you still owe $200k you've also put that extra money into more lucrative investments over the years. Same goes with your example about saving on interest--sure you might save $64k interest payments over 11 years by paying an extra $500/month, but how much more could you have gotten back (from the same system) by putting that extra $500 elsewhere? That doesn't even have to mean crypto or high risk-high return exotic investments, as low as mortgages are the risk-reward calculus for most people would support putting any extra money they have each month into SPY or for that matter stocking up on essential nonperishable goods that cost 20% more today than they did a year ago and will probably cost another 20% this time next year.

I agree with your overall point that debt is bad, I just don't think ultra low-interest mortgages are a great example of that especially given rampant inflation.

 

[The Beast1]

I'm writing a screen play where two pothead feds who are at risk of losing their jobs infiltrate a movement like patriot front and in their pothead antics accidentally set off the next civil war that installs them as leaders of the new regime.

In one scene, they get doused with glow in the dark paint and then glow during a march with blacklights.

Help me come up with a name, I'm thinking of calling it "Glowies". I'm selling it as Pineapple Express meets 21 Jump Street.

 

[Zach]

Right but the flip side of that is, how many people are actually going to be able to pay their entire mortgage down in any sort of reasonable time horizon even by making extra payments? If TPTB decide they're going to come repossess the houses of anyone who has outstanding mortgage debt and can't pay it off immediately they're not going to care that you only still owe $50k and not $200k. True, it's easier to come up with $50k in an emergency than it is $200k (although may not be a material difference if everyone else in the country is in the same situation)....but in the scenario where you still owe $200k you've also put that extra money into more lucrative investments over the years. Same goes with your example about saving on interest--sure you might save $64k interest payments over 11 years by paying an extra $500/month, but how much more could you have gotten back (from the same system) by putting that extra $500 elsewhere? That doesn't even have to mean crypto or high risk-high return exotic investments, as low as mortgages are the risk-reward calculus for most people would support putting any extra money they have each month into SPY or for that matter stocking up on essential nonperishable goods that cost 20% more today than they did a year ago and will probably cost another 20% this time next year.

I agree with your overall point that debt is bad, I just don't think ultra low-interest mortgages are a great example of that especially given rampant inflation.

It doesn't matter which debts are bad, and which are good. It's about not having debt if and when they do the "Great Reset". Yes the 90k you saved in interest could be 200k if invested in the market, but theres a lot of unknowns with that. IMO you do both and you at least hedge some of the risk of the debt. Paying off a mortgage in 13 years is much better than 30, and most everyone could afford to do it, if they weren't up to their eyeballs in mortgage debt and other debts and addicted to easy money.

When giving financial advice, its about giving advice people will actually take. And each case varies. Usually a one-sided approach will not work. People want to pay off their debts. People resonate with Dave Ramsey because they can feel the pain inside of being in debt. They feel like slaves to it. They are slaves to it. I try to post things on forums that will appeal to the majority of viewers, not just my own situation, which is different. Someone with no debt and 2 million dollars saved will recieve different advice than someone with 1 million in debt and 2 million dollars saved.

I appreciate the perspectives on this back & forth but this'll be my last response. I just remembered this is the Patriot Front thread? lol

 

[DavidKnight]

Remember, how do true patriots fight? They fight to win. Our founding fathers NEVER revealed themselves to the enemy, and used guerilla tactics till the very end of the war. They were outnumbered and outgunned; why would they march deep into enemy territory and reveal themselves with a giant target on their heads?

That's simply untrue. Open engagements took place from the early days of the conflict, depending on what component of the Continentals we refer to. It wasn't purely some Roland Emmerich/Mel Gibson cosplay of forest ambushes and South Carolina slaves working the land as "free" men.

Regardless, I don't think overweight Trump "patriots" are going to launch a guerilla war on urban liberals anytime soon. Too many are addicted to processed food and Olive Garden. PF is obviously flawed, but I'll take a wait and see approach before writing them off completely.

 

[RonaldB]

It looks like Thomas Rosseau was an active participant of the Charlottesville rally.​

“Patriot Front” Founder is 23-Year-Old Who Walked in the Tiki Torch March in Charlottesville​

"Patriot Front" Founder is 23-Year-Old Who Walked in the Tiki Torch March in Charlottesville | The Gateway Pundit | by Joe Hoft

As suspected, our investigative research of the ‘Patriot Front’ shows that the leader of the group is a 23-year-old, and many of the members are government informants as well. Here we go again. Is this all the FBI does? How many actual criminals does the FBI arrest? We see Comey, Hunter and...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[DanielH]

Regardless, I don't think overweight Trump "patriots" are going to launch a guerilla war on urban liberals anytime soon. Too many are addicted to processed food and Olive Garden. PF is obviously flawed, but I'll take a wait and see approach before writing them off completely.

Valid point. When the food runs out, shelves are empty, and the average person loses a few pounds... then I expect things to change.

 

[Denam8487]

That's simply untrue. Open engagements took place from the early days of the conflict, depending on what component of the Continentals we refer to. It wasn't purely some Roland Emmerich/Mel Gibson cosplay of forest ambushes and South Carolina slaves working the land as "free" men.

Regardless, I don't think overweight Trump "patriots" are going to launch a guerilla war on urban liberals anytime soon. Too many are addicted to processed food and Olive Garden. PF is obviously flawed, but I'll take a wait and see approach before writing them off completely.

Also, I cannot fathom that any guerilla army that is well organized and equipped enough to pose a serious threat to the established order wouldn't have already been infiltrated by federal agents, informants and cooperators. The surveillance network in this country would see to that. Then the power of mass media and censorship would be used to manipulate the masses into believing that this group was comprised of insane neo-Nazi rednecks thus dehumanizing them and destroying any ounce of sympathy they might otherwise muster.

 

[Easy_C]

Valid point. When the food runs out, shelves are empty, and the average person loses a few pounds... then I expect things to change.

Like I've said a few times here and other places, it's not the early stage LARPers, losers, and weirdos you need to worry about. In the early stages of a decay the only people with these groups are ineffectual losers who are drawn to it because they can't find a productive place with the rest of society.

As the dysfunction continues that group of people who are "left behind" becomes larger. When you have normal, capable, reasonable people feeling desperate THEN you have something to worry about because the people who are capable of organizing and managing things effectively are now involved.

 

[Turretin]

That's simply untrue. Open engagements took place from the early days of the conflict, depending on what component of the Continentals we refer to. It wasn't purely some Roland Emmerich/Mel Gibson cosplay of forest ambushes and South Carolina slaves working the land as "free" men.

Regardless, I don't think overweight Trump "patriots" are going to launch a guerilla war on urban liberals anytime soon. Too many are addicted to processed food and Olive Garden. PF is obviously flawed, but I'll take a wait and see approach before writing them off completely.

Didn't they have European military instructors to teach them how to fight like a real army?

 

[Cr33pin]

Too many are addicted to processed food and Olive Garden

I mean.... that soup and salad be hittin

 

[Brother Thomas 256]

This is a really good point and I wish more conservatives talked about this. Christianity can't just be a part of our movement along with the American flag, the constitution and FREEDOM - it has to be the center piece. The freedoms we should promote in this country should be the freedom against government overreach when it comes to things like censorship, gun grabbing, policing Churches, unlawful searches and seizures, etc.

I definitely fell for this post 9/11 neo-con liberal democracy version of America where we were the polar opposite of the Middle East. They had weird desert people with stuffy laws and women in burkas where we had hot chicks in bikinis making out with each other, people who could love each other freely and you could do and say whatever you want. Looking back on it, I can't believe how big of a psyop this was especially when Dubya and Cheney would say things like, "if we don't do ___, then the terrorists win!"

I think a tough redpill that conservatives need to swallow is that we don't need to go back to the 1950s. I get that the 50s were aesthetically pleasing because everything was clean and homogenous but there was a dark underbelly. The 1950s was rife with consumerism and while the hedonism wasn't on public display like it would be in the 60s, it was bubbling underneath the surface as the teenagers were still dating, smoking pot and drinking. The father typically wasn't around that much because he was at work and social gatherings with his buddies. When he was at work, he was surrounded with attractive young secretaries and admin staff. It wouldn't be out of the question for the father and mother to both be lushes or for the husband to have an affair. This led to neglected children who swung hard the other way and became hippies, druggies and degenerates when they grew up.

In my opinion we should get back to the tribal family - not the nuclear family. I'm talking multigenerational households like they do in poorer parts of the world (and Asians still do in America.) That way you don't have to outsource childcare to daycares, immigrant nannies and au pairs, and the public school system. It also makes homeschooling more manageable. Ideally the father should work remotely and the mother shouldn't work at all. The family house should feel lived in and busy rather than this sterile, cold living space with tons of screens and appliances. Ideally these tribal families would network with one another and form Christian fellowship groups with the fathers at the helm.

We saw in Virginia how the Democrats can't attack families and concerned parents as easily as they can go after Trump supporters and "patriots." Those same parents flipped Virginia to red and sent the woke school board members running for cover.

This sounds like an interpretation of the 1950s from the early 2000s movie pleasantville.

 

[Don Quixote]

Hey, midwits need financial advice too. I generally support Dave Ramsey, but I deviate a little bit from his advice. Props to him, I think he is a net positive, for sure.

They're definitely wanting to get rid of the USD and replace it with the Digital Dollar, or CBDC, the only way they can really do that is to devalue the dollar and blow up the economy. I sure hope you're right and they don't succeed, but either way this debt based system is unsustainable and anyone with "common sense" can see that.

It's called "hedging". Nobody can predict the future, but we can see trends on where things are going and prepare accordingly. I personally want to be completely debt free when the meltdown happens.

So, would you advise someone who has the option to pay off all student loan debts at once with their stock market investments to do so? I'm in that position right now. My family tells me to pay the bare minimum, but I feel like it is a trap.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Here is a great interview from Thursday with the leader of the Patriot Front Thomas Rousseau that I highly recommend. A few big takeaways from it are...

Thomas is much better spoken than I originally realized.

Thomas is more than happy to interview/debate with anyone who calls him and his organization "Feds" and no one will take him up on it.

Thomas said no matter what the GOP and their paid activists say about him and his group they are only going to grow and become more public. They don't care to argue online, they care to get their message out on the street and let people see for themselves and he said this is working very well for them. They are part of the political discussion, as much as anyone else, and they will keep pushing and they have found their way to do so and also avoid issues with local police and the FBI.

Thomas Rousseau interview on Odysee with Eric Striker