Patriot Front Thread

[DanielH]

PF would be legit if they eliminated their social media accounts by just sticking to their local grassroots level. Otherwise, posting pictures and/or videos on their social media accounts for national attention simply raise questions and suspicions.

Also, has anybody noticed that Biden recently called white supremacy 'most dangerous terrorist threat' in his commencement speech at Howard University (HU)?

Biden calls white supremacy ‘most dangerous terrorist threat’ in speech at Howard

“I’m saying this wherever I go,” the president told the university’s graduating class.

www.politico.com

And the PF march in D.C. happened on the same day as Biden's commencement white supremacy speech at HU? Talk about suspicious timing when the whole PF march in D.C. seems to be staged on the same day as Biden's white supremacy speech.

White supremacist march on D.C. sparks conspiracy theory FBI was involved

Online conspiracy theorists are claiming that a march by Patriot Front on the capital on Saturday was a false flag operation.

www.newsweek.com

None of that proves PF is Feds, why shouldn't they be on social media, the single best way to convey ideas to a large audience and recruit? That's our version of the printing press that the Founders used to disseminate their ideas to the masses.

The government actually is scared of white identity, that's why blacks can burn down whole cities without any response from the federal government, but a white identitarian in a cabin, or whites in a compound legally selling arms gets the ATF and FBI to respond faster than you can say "Ruby Ridge Waco."

To the people who think they're feds, what would a non-fedish group look like? At what point is gathering and protesting kosher to you? Is it having an organizational hierarchy and a somewhat neat or uniform appearance that makes them Fedish? Are we not allowed to do that? Why not? Do we need to wear mix matched casual attire to not seem like Feds or to be optical?

I have no doubt they're riddled with informants trying to soak up info on behalf of the government, but I would not use that to dismiss any attempt to organize as a Fed operation, nor does it mean the leaders are Feds. People have an inherent desire to organize and be part of a tribe. There will always be something like Patriot Front as long as there's white people who are treated like third class citizens.

The actual militia types tend to be a bit smarter than that and not make a huge online fuss.

And who still get infiltrated and do absolutely nothing to harness the outrage from young men. This is all like saying Sam Adams and Ben Franklin shouldn't have been publishing their papers and essays (especially under pseudonyms), instead just locally coordinating. And maybe that's the right thing to do for Christians, but for a group trying to affect change in the world, that's not how you succeed. Then there would never have been a United States or a declaration of independence (ignoring whether that would have been a good or bad thing for now), and if there was an attempt to secede, it would have failed without the idea of independence first being seeded in the minds of young American colonials. For my disclaimers see my previous posts in this thread.

 

[Easy_C]

And do we think that PF is actually helping in any way?

 

[It_is_my_time]

You guys think that Biden and the Federal govt. want the slogan "Strong Families make Strong Nations" promoted, or that this slogan somehow makes the right wing look bad to "normies"? It is like when the group organized and protested against the Drag Queen Story hour with a sign that read "Weimar conditions require Weimar solutions". Do you think this is a message our federal govt. wants to spread, after spending billions of dollars lying about WW2 from every angle possible?

I think the Federal Govt. wants the right wing to paint their faces, and behave crazy with "Q" signs, and bring a noose and threaten govt. officials and storm the capitol. Not to act according to laws and promote strong families and talk about how the federal govt., both parties, work together to make our lives drastically worse.

A fed looks like Ray Epps, the Feds are not hiring many young fit white men. I would never tell anyone to join any group that I was not already a member of. I am a member of no groups, I have no plans right now to ever join any group. I am too old for Patriot Front, I think their age limit is like 35 or 40. But I don't see the advantage of calling young white men, who spread popular messages our govt. doesn't want spread, a group of "feds". Have feds infiltrated these groups? Probably. Does that mean staying at home, posting online, and voting for the GOP will fix things alone? If not, then what is your ideal plan?

Let's just say they are feds. What is the advantage for the govt, of spreading popular messages and aligning it with the far-right wing? So, even more minorities vote DNC? Is that even needed for the DNC to win elections? The GOP offered 1/2 a trillion to Blacks and then 1/2 a trillion to Hispanics, for just existing in 2020, and they still lost both groups by a large amount. Or that they are spending all this time, energy and money to get a bunch of young white men locked up, and so far, have done nothing more than get some trumped up misdemeanor charges pressed on them after 5 years of existence?

 

[Roosh]

I don't know much about this group, but the colorful optics of PF makes it ready-made to scare liberals and normies.

 

[DanielH]

And do we think that PF is actually helping in any way?

Can you define "help?"

Look at the photo in the tweet @It_is_my_time just shared. It is providing all of those young men, probably aged 18-25, a tribe and family they never had. By and large, those men were never brought to church going up. They were latchkey kids who hardly saw their parents, were educated by women telling them white males are evil. They had none of the things boomers had, especially faith, family, and community - all things that faded over time until you get to the Gen Z men in that photo, who arguably have the worst prospects of any American generation to date. These men would be better off going to an Orthodox church and joining or starting a men's fellowship, but that's asking them to get involved with a religion and a mindset that's foreign to them at this point, as they weren't raised in a church of any sort. I have a lot of compassion for these men, and PF seems to be the family and fellowship they never had. They sought this because they had no compassion growing up.

I think that's how PF is helping. By giving those men a glimmer of hope and fellowship, and keeping them away from the toxic food, drink, and depression that has befallen the millennials and Gen X'ers who share the views, more or less, of these Zoomers. Not to mention the charity they've done in places like Palestine, OH.

Again if you're a young man reading this, go join an Orthodox parish and get involved. You'll find the brothers, mothers, and grandparents you never had, as well as true hope and faith, of which PF can only provide a glimmer.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Can you define "help?"

Look at the photo in the tweet @It_is_my_time just shared. It is providing all of those young men, probably aged 18-25, a tribe and family they never had. By and large, those men were never brought to church going up. They were latchkey kids who hardly saw their parents, were educated by women telling them white males are evil. They had none of the things boomers had, especially faith, family, and community - all things that faded over time until you get to the Gen Z men in that photo, who arguably have the worst prospects of any American generation to date. These men would be better off going to an Orthodox church and joining or starting a men's fellowship, but that's asking them to get involved with a religion and a mindset that's foreign to them at this point, as they weren't raised in a church of any sort. I have a lot of compassion for these men, and PF seems to be the family and fellowship they never had. They sought this because they had no compassion growing up.

I think that's how PF is helping. By giving those men a glimmer of hope and fellowship, and keeping them away from the toxic food, drink, and depression that has befallen the millennials and Gen X'ers who share the views, more or less, of these Zoomers. Not to mention the charity they've done in places like Palestine, OH.

Again if you're a young man reading this, go join an Orthodox parish and get involved. You'll find the brothers, mothers, and grandparents you never had, as well as true hope and faith, of which PF can only provide a glimmer.

Not to mention, 2 years ago the accounts calling these guys Feds would have 3 or 4 times the likes as the accounts saying they were legit. Now it is about even in the number of likes, if not trending towards legit. Their message is spreading and growing. In the last few months we have come to realize...

The CIA likely was involved in the Kennedy assassination.
The CIA and Israel was likely involved in 9/11.
The FBI lied and manipulated the 2016 and 2020 elections.
The IRS is targeting conservative groups and the middle class and letting the billionaires skate.
J6 was a federal operation and the DA's purposely overcharged the defendants, hide evidence from court, and lied to juries to secure unfair convictions.

And the GOP has no answer for any of this, including Trump and Trump approved party members. Even now they have the power of the purse strings with control of the House, they do absolutely nothing. And more are realizing that the GOP is in on it too and they are looking for answers or a third party.

 

[Parmesan]

To the people who think they're feds, what would a non-fedish group look like? At what point is gathering and protesting kosher to you? Is it having an organizational hierarchy and a somewhat neat or uniform appearance that makes them Fedish? Are we not allowed to do that? Why not? Do we need to wear mix matched casual attire to not seem like Feds or to be optical?

To me it’s the cheesy masks, khakis and polos. It’s like some fembot intern was told to envision a “white supremacist group”, and they took a young Republicans group from university and sprinkled it with a dash of Captain America. In one march they were even carrying prop shields like its freaking Halloween. Maybe they are legit and that’s the founder’s vision, but it seems rather cheesy to me.

 

[It_is_my_time]

To me it’s the cheesy masks, khakis and polos. It’s like some fembot intern was told to envision a “white supremacist group”, and they took a young Republicans group from university and sprinkled it with a dash of Captain America. In one march they were even carrying prop shields like its freaking Halloween. Maybe they are legit and that’s the founder’s vision, but it seems rather cheesy to me.

Would you suggest they not wear masks and have their lives ruined because the GOP has gone above and beyond to do nothing for their supporters who organize and protest peacefully?

The shields, from what I have heard in interviews, are both for looks but also in case Antifa is unleashed on them and they have to protect themselves, knowing law enforcement will do nothing.

I do know, when these groups are interviewed, they will often say "if anyone can do it better than us, please do so, we will join and support if it is a better road to fixing the serious problems we face". I've heard a lot of criticism about how they look and dress, I don't necessarily disagree with it either, I just haven't seen any groups do it better, other than the NJP, who sees PF like their junior wing for young guys.

 

[get2choppaaa]

Ok...here it is:

Experience and history dictates that militia type groups are only allowed to exist for one reason... To be co-opted and used as a cog in the DOJ control wheel.

How many groups like this have we found over the last 24 months that were not infiltrated by the Feds or feds acting like they were legitimate members of a fake group? This would have to be the only one...

The young men in the group are setting themselves up to be patsies.

I mean wearing masks and all that?

To me this is all optics to allow the Fed to crack down on "muh white supremes terrorists" as a self licking ice cream cone to garner control and validation.

From what I can read, this whole group is a giant trap... Something the FBI is well known to do.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Ok...here it is:

Experience and history dictates that militia type groups are only allowed to exist for one reason... To be co-opted and used as a cog in the DOJ control wheel.

How many groups like this have we found over the last 24 months that were not infiltrated by the Feds or feds acting like they were legitimate members of a fake group? This would have to be the only one...

The young men in the group are setting themselves up to be patsies.

I mean wearing masks and all that?

To me this is all optics to allow the Fed to crack down on "muh white supremes terrorists" as a self licking ice cream cone to garner control and validation.

From what I can read, this whole group is a giant trap... Something the FBI is well known to do.

This could all be true. Heck, they don't even have to break any laws and the FBI could invent reasons to have them all arrested for trumped up charges. That is why I would never suggest joining any group, and instead laying low. But this is easy for me to say, at my advanced age.

But what advice does anyone have for young white men in the west? My best advice, sadly, would be to move to Russia, but then in reality most can never do this. Outside of this, I am at a loss as to tell them what to do or what path to follow. What I did, 25 years ago, has long been closed to most young white men. I even knew back then that it wouldn't last long, which is why I started working weekends to begin with and never stopped doing so.

 

[Parmesan]

And the GOP has no answer for any of this, including Trump and Trump approved party members. Even now they have the power of the purse strings with control of the House, they do absolutely nothing. And more are realizing that the GOP is in on it too and they are looking for answers or a third party.

There are certainly RINo elements of the GOP that aren’t on our side, but the GOP doesn’t control the Justice Department and the mainstream media is playing defense for Democrats. There isn’t a ton they can do. When the roles are flipped and its Republicans doing the corruption, you have the media doing its job and pressing it day and night. This would be bigger than Watergate from a media perspective if it wasn’t so (D)ifferent.

 

[budoslavic]

None of that proves PF is Feds, why shouldn't they be on social media, the single best way to convey ideas to a large audience and recruit? That's our version of the printing press that the Founders used to disseminate their ideas to the masses.

Start at the local level. Build communities locally. Just stop using social media as a tool to convey and/or recruit new members at the national level, which puts a wedge between "Feds" vs "Not Feds" discussions. We all know that the Media, Government, and Big Tech are not going to support white Americans.

The government actually is scared of white identity, that's why blacks can burn down whole cities without any response from the federal government, but a white identitarian in a cabin, or whites in a compound legally selling arms gets the ATF and FBI to respond faster than you can say "Ruby Ridge Waco."

Let them be scared. White Americans don't need to put up with their nonsense and threats.

To the people who think they're feds, what would a non-fedish group look like?

There has been too much focus on:
- nationalism (i.e., American flags)
- same attire colors (pants, shirts, etc.)
- men

Instead, a Christian theme march with crosses instead of flags is ideal to bring White Americans together to protest and to re-connect with their Christian faith and/or root.

At what point is gathering and protesting kosher to you?

What message are they sending when they gather to show up and protest out-of-the-blue? The public has already made up their minds and viewed them as a "hate group" when they verbally taunt them. What would the public's reaction be if they were to protest with the crosses and wearing simple casual clothes instead of America flags and preppy clothes?

Is it having an organizational hierarchy and a somewhat neat or uniform appearance that makes them Fedish?

Organizational hierarchy is fine. Nothing wrong with that. Their neat and/or uniform appearance does make them look too Fed-ish. Look at 1930's Germany -- that's how the public view the PF's current attire.

Are we not allowed to do that? Why not?

Nobody is stopping them. They just need to do some kind of re-branding and re-packaging to spread their message -- preferably Christian-related message.

Do we need to wear mix matched casual attire to not seem like Feds or to be optical?

It is already bad optic based on media's and public's reactions. People believed what the media said about the PF.

I have no doubt they're riddled with informants trying to soak up info on behalf of the government, but I would not use that to dismiss any attempt to organize as a Fed operation, nor does it mean the leaders are Feds. People have an inherent desire to organize and be part of a tribe. There will always be something like Patriot Front as long as there's white people who are treated like third class citizens.

This country wouldn't exist without the help and skills of white Americans. People already know that. USA is already divided as it continues to sink. What is the point of co-existing with people whose values do not align with ours and wants to persecute us (White American Christians)? Will secession happen as White Christian Americans continues to be treated and persecuted as third class citizens? Who knows.

And who still get infiltrated and do absolutely nothing to harness the outrage from young men.

Look at J6 as an example at what happened. That's enough to spark an outrage across the country.

This is all like saying Sam Adams and Ben Franklin shouldn't have been publishing their papers and essays (especially under pseudonyms), instead just locally coordinating.

They need to stop focusing on national attention. Focus on Christian theme, Christian crosses, etc. because America was a predominantly Christian country until after WWII when the ((()))s started infiltrating every institution.

Edit. D.C. protest is an example of what I meant by "national attention". They wore the same attire, carried the same flags, etc. in a heavily Democrat-run city. If they want "national attention", then think about coming up with a Christian theme protest. Public reactions would be different.

And maybe that's the right thing to do for Christians, but for a group trying to affect change in the world, that's not how you succeed. Then there would never have been a United States or a declaration of independence (ignoring whether that would have been a good or bad thing for now), and if there was an attempt to secede, it would have failed without the idea of independence first being seeded in the minds of young American colonials. For my disclaimers see my previous posts in this thread.

Agreed.

Edit. Something else to think about is why gather and protest in a Democrat-run city or state? It just does not make any sense.

 

[Ember]

 

[It_is_my_time]

There are certainly RINo elements of the GOP that aren’t on our side, but the GOP doesn’t control the Justice Department and the mainstream media is playing defense for Democrats. There isn’t a ton they can do. When the roles are flipped and its Republicans doing the corruption, you have the media doing its job and pressing it day and night. This would be bigger than Watergate from a media perspective if it wasn’t so (D)ifferent.

The GOP did control the DOJ from 2017 until 2021 and nothing was done about...

Antifa breaking multiple federal laws.
BLM burning down entire city blocks and attacking police.
Urban area DA's turning their areas into crime zones.
FBI being turned into a political activist strong arm wing of the DNC.
CIA involved in who knows what serious crimes.
etc.

And the media will never back the GOP. I think the key is what I bolded. So, if the GOP can't do anything, then what do we do? Our choices are watching everything collapse around us or get active. I personally will sit and watch everything collapse, simply due to my age, but I can't say this is noble or correct by any means.

 

[DanielH]

It is already bad optic based on media's and public's reactions. People believed what the media said about the PF.

There's a lot in your post but I'll just address the optics thing. We can't control optics. If we're trying to be objective, a neat and orderly appearance is optical, regardless of what the chewish media says. They've made everything patriarchal or strong "unoptical." Look at how normal right wingers, normal white family men, and milquetoast republican politicians are portrayed in media. I'll reiterate - PF does not have bad optics because men of fighting age do not view it as bad optics, despite the protests of Gen X'ers and baby boomers. They don't care what those older people think. Of course I agree with you that they should be more Christian, I've made that abundantly clear, but I'm analyzing them as a societal phenomenon separate from us, as a natural result of today's society. There's a point where the people criticizing PF actually just start criticizing disenfranchised young men. I think it would be more beneficial to encourage and redirect them than to mock and disregard them - they've already had plenty of that so far in life.

And let's not forget this part of American history, I wonder how people would view these racist insurrectionists today:

 

[budoslavic]

There's a lot in your post but I'll just address the optics thing. We can't control optics. If we're trying to be objective, a neat and orderly appearance is optical, regardless of what the chewish media says. They've made everything patriarchal or strong "unoptical." Look at how normal right wingers, normal white family men, and milquetoast republican politicians are portrayed in media. I'll reiterate - PF does not have bad optics because men of fighting age do not view it as bad optics, despite the protests of Gen X'ers and baby boomers. They don't care what those older people think. Of course I agree with you that they should be more Christian, I've made that abundantly clear, but I'm analyzing them as a societal phenomenon separate from us, as a natural result of today's society. There's a point where the people criticizing PF actually just start criticizing disenfranchised young men. I think it would be more beneficial to encourage and redirect them than to mock and disregard them - they've already had plenty of that so far in life.

Since PF is on ADL's radar (re: @Ember's post), if the PF group replace the American flags with Christian crosses, then the reactions would be a whole lot different and more interesting.

 

[paternos]

To the people who think they're feds, what would a non-fedish group look like? Do we need to wear mix matched casual attire to not seem like Feds or to be optical?

A non-fedish group would not play into identity politics. The state created this new division:

BLM vs White Supremacy

This is not a real issue. Does Jesus talk about systemic racism? Black vs white? This is not an issue. A fantasy. Not real.

E.g. the NSDAP was a threat as they wanted to overthrow the "democratic" state and were able to unite a grand majority of Germany behind them

At what point is gathering and protesting kosher to you?

There is no point in public gathering. And not in protesting. Will the Jewish bankers look from windows and think ooh wow they kids in kaki's are a threat with a membership of 200? There is no solution is democracy. Protesting to make your point is part of the democratic structure.

Is it having an organizational hierarchy and a somewhat neat or uniform appearance that makes them Fedish?

The uniform yes, if you want to overthrow the state, it's not smart to wear the same uniforms. You want to be invisible.

You guys think that Biden and the Federal govt. want the slogan "Strong Families make Strong Nations" promoted, or that this slogan somehow makes the right wing look bad to "normies"?

It's about setting the goal posts. They call these boys neo-nazis and white supremacists. So they can literally pick up anyone they think to be a real threat to democracy.

It is like when the group organized and protested against the Drag Queen Story hour with a sign that read "Weimar conditions require Weimar solutions". Do you think this is a message our federal govt. wants to spread, after spending billions of dollars lying about WW2 from every angle possible?

Yes.

It's smart even. They can now frame these decent guys in kaki's as white supremacists impose new laws on anyone posing a real threat. As we have seen with all the new anti-semitism bills based on a few flyer.

Does that mean staying at home, posting online, and voting for the GOP will fix things alone? If not, then what is your ideal plan?

Turn to God. Turn of the news. Don't vote. And if you have political ambitions, you would try to damage the functioning of democracy. I think the truckers were a great example. They had popular support. They were of all classes, all ages and of all colors. A bunch of white boys between 20-35 dressed in khaki uniform with superhero shields will never gather popular support like the truckers did.

A real threat to democracy, will unite the people cross race, age and social class. Democracy is division. It drives on conflict. On emotional conflicts that get people riled up.

Let's just say they are feds. What is the advantage for the govt, of spreading popular messages and aligning it with the far-right wing?

It gives them more power to repress real threats. And it is poisoning the well. Associating people that say "family values" with "evil neo-nazis". Which helps the neo-liberal agenda. "Well I don't like BLM but voting for anti-semitic Neo-nazis is even worse". This is what is constantly done in European politics to stop any real opposition.

So, even more minorities vote DNC? Is that even needed for the DNC to win elections?

Yes.

To me this is just political theater within the bounds they desire and not to be taken serious at all. Whether they are Feds or not, it's useless. Further aimed for people to believe in political solution.

Anyhow it's a non issue, there are 200 kids in kaki's and what they did for the "community" is less than my parish. Whatever the media shows supports their agenda.

The media never reports on the positive role of parishes in communities.

 

[It_is_my_time]

Since PF is on ADL's radar (re: @Ember's post), if the PF group replace the American flags with Christian crosses, then the reactions would be a whole lot different and more interesting.

I think this is an excellent suggestion!

 

[paternos]

Since PF is on ADL's radar (re: @Ember's post), if the PF group replace the American flags with Christian crosses, then the reactions would be a whole lot different and more interesting.

This aligns perfectly with what I expect to happen. This will be the next frontier of Fed operations making it the "Christians" part of the political play. I predict in the coming 2 years we will have Fed-sponsored "Christian nationalism," complete with crosses and American flags, just as you've suggested.

https://www.texasobserver.org/christian-nationalism-texas-pastors/

Given the current state of the Protestant and Catholic churches, it wouldn't surprise me if they all fall for this bait.

These federal "Christians" will present such an extreme and weird image that it will deter people from attending church altogether. Kids in black pants, holding crosses up as if they are doing a exorcism vs the trannies. The question will arise in the public sphere "You're not a racist, are you? Why do you go to church? Do you support these Nazis?" Bishops will be scrambling over one another to establish a program aimed at curbing Christian nationalism within their churches in an ecumenical way.

The Jewish NGOs will cry wolf. That this is really blocking the great dialog they were having with the Christians, and that the Christians really need to stand up now.

I'm quite sure this is in the making.

Anyhow the answer is. Turn to God. Stop voting. Turn off the Jewish political media theater.

 

[Easy_C]

Start at the local level. Build communities locally. Just stop using social media as a tool to convey and/or recruit new members at the national level, which puts a wedge between "Feds" vs "Not Feds" discussions. We all know that the Media, Government, and Big Tech are not going to support white Americans.

Keep in mind to, that exploiting internet dynamics is Fed bread and butter. They're substantially less competent at dealing with people and groups that don't operate online, as you'll notice pretty quickly if you ever get a chance to sit in a law enforcement briefing. For that kind of work a lot of it falls onto local cops....who will in rural areas very often be sympathizers, associates, or even members of local community aid groups.