Plagiarism by highly knowledgeable and highly repped new member?

[Geomann180]

Movie Spoiler Alert! (Using Plot to Make a Point)

I didn't comment on this thread because I was only peripherally aware of NTP, didn't read his stuff enough to notice outlandish claims and therefore didn't have anything constructive to add to this thread.

But now that I've seen pages upon pages of infighting, after NTP's been banned, I'll offer my only thought.

Recently, I watched the movie Captain America: Civil War.

Spoiler Alert!

The gist of the movie is that the main villain's family was killed by the avengers on a mission, despite moving them outside the city where they'd supposedly be safe. Consumed by rage and wrath, he plots to destroy the Avengers. Realizing that he be but a mortal man, he decides the only way to destroy the Avengers is to get them to destroy themselves. He accomplished this by framing a guy who used to be the brainwashed Winter Soldier, getting him captured, getting info of a base he was kept at, and then sending him on a rampage to cover his escape. Rogers wants to pursue the Doctor, Iron Man wants to wait for authorization. They end up fighting.

A part of the Wikipedia plot section explains the rest better than I:

Stark discovers evidence that Barnes was framed by Zemo and shows this evidence to Wilson, who gives him Rogers' destination. Without informing Ross, Stark goes to the Siberian Hydra facility and strikes a truce with Rogers and Barnes, unaware he was secretly followed by T'Challa. They discover that the other super-soldiers have been killed by Zemo, who shows them footage from Hydra's archives; it reveals that Barnes killed Stark's parents during his mission in 1991. Enraged that Rogers kept this from him, Stark turns on them both, blasting off Barnes' robotic arm. Rogers disables Stark's armor and departs with Barnes, leaving his shield behind. Satisfied that he has avenged his family's death in Sokovia by irreparably fracturing the Avengers, Zemo attempts suicide, but T'Challa stops him and he is taken to the authorities.

In the aftermath, Stark provides Rhodes with exoskeletal leg braces that allow him to walk again, while Rogers breaks his allies out of the Raft. In a mid-credits scene, T'Challa grants asylum to Barnes, who chooses to return to cryogenic sleep until a cure for his brainwashing is found.

For at least half the movie, the Avenger's fought one another, injured one another, and nearly killed each other. In the end, everything turned out alright, but that's how movies are.

The entire thread, people have been taking pot shots at each other and then outright calling each other out. I'm starting to see Tempers flare. People even mentioned the possibility of this infighting being the purpose and still people are at each other's throats

I think the forum needs a day off and this thread should be closed.

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[Engineer]

I'm not going to say I thought he was totally full of it, but it did seem unusual to have some guy spring up with that much detailed knowledge without any kind of rep ramp-up.

That, and I suppose we all should have realized NASA doesn't actually have test pilots anymore.

Wrong, they do still have test pilots and in fact I posted a recent job opening in USAJOBS for one in NTPs TP datasheet. Your cited article claims (correctly) that you no longer need to be a test pilot to be an astronaut.

 

[AboveAverageJoe]

Alert: Geomann 180 is not a real movie reviewer and is copying large portion of his movie review from Wikipedia.
I kid, I kid. Just trying to bring some levity.

 

[hydrogonian]

^I'll bite. I'm in the wrong if I made an unfounded assumption on who you have met. That being said, you can't go off the rails against senior members like that.

I'm a senior member. Our equal statuses do not require special treatment, but it does require equal treatment from a wannabe mod such as yourself.

You are not a mod. In the process of defending your favorites, don't tell me what to do as if you are.

You are defending your buddy, because he is your buddy, and mis-characterizing my response as "going off of the rails".

He, ironic to your phrasing, chose to derail the thread. I responded. Why not chastise him for derailing the thread?

You are attacking me because of your personal preference between members, and your criticism has no basis in the reality of the exchange. I merely picked apart his hostile, derailing pet topic. He did not need to state his logic. But he did. And I responded. You are attempting to mod the conversation inappropriately.

Dissenting views can be more respectful, especially against those that earned it.

Lol...dissension of the thread derailment that was objectively over an SJW issue?

You monitor your own respect. Your monopolar application of "respect" and your white knighting for BB is completely out of line.

In fact, the exchange would be completely dead after one post from each of us, and likely buried, if it were not for you at this point. In effect, you are blowing this up.

He's his own man. He can respond if he wants, but it probably isn't necessary.

The issue is not your opinion but the target and the obvious negativity as well as anger and hate within it.

Stop defending another member who decided to engage with a hostile remark. His remark was first to be negative. I should give some members here, you you favor for some odd reason, strange treatment because you prefer them? Your remarks are biased.

Your over-emotional interjection into my remarks is your subjective opinion based on your reception of my words as they resonate with your conflicting opinions. Thanks for the hysteria, though.

All of the feelings talk. Where am I? Is this still the RVF?

I'm not a mod but as someone who has added value here and met respected members, have earned the right to ask questions freely. As to actions that need to be taken based on my personal preferences for members and my need to act like a mod, that is definitely mod territory. Not mine.

You aren't asking questions. Another convenient mis-characterization. You are telling me what to do as if you run this joint, and moreover you are doing it in a manner that is illogically biased.

Last phrase: I fixed it for you.

So maybe you can ask that simple question. Who have you met on the forum? You can choose to answer or not, but I reserve the right to ask.

I don't respond to shit tests from men. Least of all based on the idiosyncratic, and arguably dysfunctional worldview, of a random internet stranger who has just now decided to engage me on the forum. And least of all as a response to passive aggressive request by someone because they do not like the way that an internet argument is going.

Save your schoolyard tactics for the schoolyard.

Enjoy your stay.

You enjoy your stay, wannabe forum god (who I never saw when I was here in the beginning and made 1200 posts). Thanks for your generous blessing, sire. I will enjoy my stay, yessum. Is it temporary sir? Don't kick me out sir, no, no.

 

[AboveAverageJoe]

 

[weambulance]

So, hydrogonian, to recap what you had to say to me:

A. Everything is subjective, there is no objective reality, my knowledge means nothing and all I am even capable of having is opinions that hold no more weight than anyone else's.

B. I have the emotional maturity of a toddler, and the capacity for logic of a garden snail, because I am so scarred from something that happened 10-12 years ago that I not only could not distinguish between NTP and the stolen valor guy, but I just had to attack NTP for it.

C. Plagiarism is not wrong, and pretending you wrote something you didn't in an attempt to bolster your authority is not actually fraud/lying. We should've waited to see if the shit sandwich he served us tasted good before deciding whether or not all shit sandwiches are bad and should be thrown in the trash.

D. Blah blah moral relativism something or other.

E. The fact that I did not follow NTP's posts, and thus came into this brouhaha with no opinion on him, actually means my objectivity is questionable.

F. This was some kind of lynch mob, where we voted the guy off the island in the heat of the moment. There is some secret mechanism in the forum that sensed a lot of us were questioning his validity, and so the forum automatically banned him. It had nothing to do with Roosh's decision at all.

Did I forget anything?



Thing is, we disagree from first principles on many things here.

I believe that people with significant knowledge about a subject can assess the validity of someone's claims about that subject.

I believe that there is such a thing as objective morality, and that lying is generally wrong. There are exceptions. This case was not one of them.

I believe that if someone lies their ass off--in this case through blatant plagiarism--it is foolish to ignore that and assume the other stuff they wrote is just fine.

I believe that the closer you are to the fight, the harder it is to see the big picture.



As to your challenge, I have two things to say:

1. I have made many posts about firearms, and a number of posts about combat, on this forum. Feel free to browse my posts and compare them to your pal NTP's work. I await your questioning my authenticity with bated breath.

2. I have been working intermittently a large collection of data sheets for the forum about firearms and the practical use thereof since philosophical_recovery's great post on pistol training. If you don't want to mine my posts, you can just wait for me to start putting those articles up.

 

[philosophical_recovery]

 

[RexImperator]

If all of you knew he was fake, why did it take this long for him to be called out?

He was called out as a troll in his first posts but blew right past it, to my surprise.

At that time someone suggested he was in the Indian space program.

I guess he got away with it by simply dropping huge knowledge bombs (which most of us skimmed quickly) instead of loudly proclaiming his supreme alphaness the way guys such as Dr. Kahn did.

And for the most part he didn't get defensive until the end.

 

[Huey]

This thread right now

 

[Anabasis to Desta]

The swipes at LOZ are totally unwarranted, ATD. LOZ and the others here have provided this forum with an insane amount of value.

NTP is gone and, perhaps, we lost something.

Now imagine if LOZ were gone from this forum. we would DEFINITELY lose something and I think it's unfair to go at him like that.

It wasn't a snipe. And it wasn't directed at Lizard of Oz as a poster. Only an idiot would even question the value he brought to the forum.

My issue is with his trash pseudo-intellectual post about NASA Test Pilot's mental "psychosis" and the number of likes it got just because it's coming from a high-repped member who speaks with some sort of authority.

Here are the trash reasons he forwarded which supposedly prove that NTP is a psychopath.

--A peculiar kind of bulk and density of writing - coming from a man who conjures up 3 paragraphs to describe a plain jane 6/10's beauty
-- The piling on of insistently esoteric detail - the topics are esoteric by nature. Very people sail or fly NASA aircraft. He took the time and effort to inform us about these things.
-- A tone of relentless barely controlled mania - meaningless word salad.
-- Subtly wrong, unmotivated, and unnatural transitions - that's an opinion. Not liking someones style of writing is not indicative of mental illness.
-- Idiosyncrasies of syntax, style, and diction that are blatant and persistent without being either particularly pleasant or even unpleasant but merely irreducibly strange - another opinion. Pleasant or unpleasant doesn't matter. Value does. Deepdiver has the worst writing style on the forum but consistently posts valuable information & insight.
-- The construction of intricate personal mythologies and their increasing complexity and elaboration over time - So?
-- The complete absence of real humor - Scorpion is not funny. But he's one of the best posters on the forum.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

For the record, after certain things coming to light (NTP already having been warned for plagiarism, established members going at each other in this thread, the heat I took as the bearer of bad tidings-although I expected as much, etc.)

I realize in retrospect, as a new member, I should have sent my information up the chain of command, privately to let the forum leaders handle it. I see my thread has been very disruptive to the forum. In my defense, I found the info while in the middle of what was going on in the Buddhism thread where NTP was already being questioned on his truthfulness, so I just posted it there. Then someone commented on that thread being derailed, so I made a new post.

I admit as a lifelong writer, surfer, sailor, and swimmer, I was very put off by some guy posting with such authority and regularity, content that to me at least was clearly not first person info. While envy was not a motive, it is possible that a certain amount of self-promotion was a motive. I did receive 12 rep points in one day, however I also already had 2, with WIA repping me second and I was quiet pleased with that. I feel this issue is just going to be more divisive if this thread is not closed. I believe I have made my point that while plagiarizing is illegal and not cool, bullshitting other forum members then trying to bully them into staying quiet is a SJW move, and not one of a worldy, mature, successful man.

Forum unity and trust is paramount, thus I ask for the forum leaders and mods to close this thread for the sake of the forum and if anyone who gave me a rep point that feels it was undeserved for any reason, please recant it. My internet persona and reputation do not define me as a man.
That is why I the reason I was cool with being a lurker for so long (almost two years) partly because I am really not a joiner, so much game info has already been extensively covered, and as much as I enjoy writing I also just enjoy reading other like-minded, individuals thoughts, and don't always or even rarely feel the need to add my unsolicited opinion.

Now back to the Trump thread. MAGA!

edit: This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for

I have said it before, and I will say again that you bringing up the issue was a legitimate question that deserved an answer. You could not have foreseen the direction this thread would have gone. Your post shows humility, maturity, and a desire for fairness.

This thread is actually a good litmus test to see if we are capable of examining a controversial issue impartially without descending into different camps and tearing each other part. Are we better than SJWs? I think that question deserves an answer, and for that reason I see the relevance. As others have suggested, a cool off period might help ease some of the tensions and allow for a sober consideration of the facts.

A few months ago BB was getting hate for encouraging men to slow their roll on rejoicing over a single woman's suicide. I understand the resentment many men have over western women and the temporary satisfaction of "winning" against those on the "other camp" even if it involves tragic circumstances. But that is not something that we should be rejoicing over and we shouldn't attack those who point it out. This kind of factionalism, blind deference to authority, and "kill the messenger" calls for blood are toxic.

 

[Mercenary]

Your "HAVE TO MEET OTHER MEMBERS or else ..." zombie shtick is getting tiring and seems like a weird cocktail of rep jealousy and witch hunting to me. (You seem to have a taste for blood considering your constant unwarranted crucifixion of well-meaning newbies in the Game section) Scorpion, Jariel and Lizard of Oz never met anyone but are literally changing lives through their posts and insight.

I have noticed that there are some well established members here who it seems don't want to meet anyone else.

They may have their reasons...but I will say that you guys are really missing out.

Some of the best times I've had with like minded men is when I met other RvF members in real life.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

Wrong, they do still have test pilots and in fact I posted a recent job opening in USAJOBS for one in NTPs TP datasheet. Your cited article claims (correctly) that you no longer need to be a test pilot to be an astronaut.

Why are you spewing hatefacts? You sound like an NTP apologist. Why are you looking up jobs related to being a test pilot? Please explain yourself.

 

[DrCotard]

Sincerely, this thread should be closed. Too much drama here.

 

[Onto]

. While envy was not a motive, it is possible that a certain amount of self-promotion was a motive. I did receive 12 rep points in one day, if anyone who gave me a rep point that feels it was undeserved for any reason, please recant it. My internet persona and reputation do not define me as a man.

You can delete them yourself. In my eyes those rep points are no different than blood money.

 

[Anabasis to Desta]

Alert: Geomann 180 is not a real movie reviewer and is copying large portion of his movie review from Wikipedia.
I kid, I kid. Just trying to bring some levity.

You're getting progressively more annoying.

You start a drama thread as a complete newbie, get an excellent poster banned and now that the discussion is raging, you have the audacity to come in and go "relax guys haha" like you're some established forum elder looking over his unruly younger proteges. Do you have no shame??

Get the fuck outta' here.

 

[kaotic]

This thread:

Time to burn my rep points and step out for a bit.

Lots of bad blood and meltdowns imminent.


This is EXACTLY what the SJW's and the left want. How can nobody see that?

If NTP truly was a troll, he sure as hell is accomplishing his mission.

 

[Beyond Borders]

Your "HAVE TO MEET OTHER MEMBERS or else ..." zombie shtick is getting tiring and seems like a weird cocktail of rep jealousy and witch hunting to me. (You seem to have a taste for blood considering your constant unwarranted crucifixion of well-meaning newbies in the Game section) Scorpion, Jariel and Lizard of Oz never met anyone but are literally changing lives through their posts and insight.

I have noticed that there are some well established members here who it seems don't want to meet anyone else.

They may have their reasons...but I will say that you guys are really missing out.

Some of the best times I've had with like minded men is when I met other RvF members in real life.

I agree with that sentiment, but everyone's life and temperament is different, and if some men would rather not, or would rather hold a higher degree of privacy, I can respect that. And some men do have real need for privacy here (something I'd trust almost NO ONE to suitably keep safe for me under crucial enough circumstances).

I don't think anyone should feel obligated or pressured to meet others just to be a respected member of this community.

Does it reflect on how people view them? Sure, it factors in, but I don't think anyone should be singled out or pressured about it, and I don't think it needs to be a big talking point. At the end of the day, we are an internet forum, not an elite band of brothers or a biker gang that has joined in some sacred pact together with certain personal debts or obligations.

If anything, I think good people would start leaving if such a thing were demanded too strongly. Hell, I meet people of my own free will, and often, but if it were demanded too strongly, I'd probably end up leaving too.

 

[hydrogonian]

To be perfectly clear, I was not attacking you, hydrogonian, for sticking up for NASA, nor because I disagreed with your posts. If you knew my posting history in this forum that's the last thing you'd think. I liked what you posted, as I said. I didn't make that statement to somehow cleverly divert your attention - I made it to be clear I was only focusing on the subject I quoted.

Let me be clear BB: I have nothing against you, whatsoever, going forward nor now. I think you are likely an interesting, fine fellow who I would be happy to one day meet. My post had nothing to do with that, or how I feel about you as a member. I wish you well.

I was responding to what I, at the time, saw as an unnecessary and aggressive post.

I understand that it likely came from a good place, but a place that I nevertheless disagree with. So, you got my response from the place that has likely replaced the place from whence your post came

I don't take forum conversations with me, even to the next thread unless they were exceedingly bad or someone else wants to do so.

You were probably closer to the point when you called it a derail, though let's not ignore the fact that YOU were the one who slipped in an insult towards people who hang in the third world for no apparent reason.

See, I don't see the insult. I only see description. I knew that you did. That's the lack of logic for me.

I also don't get the defense of anonymous people that you don't know (I didn't even mention race or religion) in the midst of a more important discussion.

As someone who lives in the third world and whom you insinuated was there for easy women and naive parlor tricks of the mind (after nearly a decade abroad, mind you) in a post just the other day, yes, I was irritated by your side comment, and perhaps I misgauged your meaning, but I have a hard time respecting anyone who clings to first world comfort and sneers at the peasants who don't have that option and anyone who associates with them.

Ah, so other conversations have now complicated this one. Well, you should have posted the entire context so I could have responded to your full context.

Didn't you think that this was a needlessly complicated side-subject to interject in this thread? You should have pm'd me and we could have cleared things up. As of now, I only vaguely recall the thread that you are referencing.

I seem to recall that it had to do with you telling people that their travel was not legitimate because it was too easy. My response was focused on the legitimacy of travel, not banging women, but I could have made a reference to trawling for locals in cheap locales (what many men travel to cheap locales to do) vs. available travel experiences in developed countries such as Japan.

It wasn't a personal reference to you, if I remember, but was rather a reference to a common travel motivations for men. In actuality, I said that easy women did not interest me. What I also meant by "locals", as I was trying to be delicate, was the local hookers. If you have an issue with their line of work, and the men who are their customers, then take it up with them.

But I also invite you to pm me with the offending post and we can civilly discuss it and clear things up, Please do.

Respectfully, your ready emotion on the issue caused a misinterpretation on today's post.

I never said that they were easy. I said that there were threads about rating them (they comprise large portion of that thread) as being aestehtically fuckable. And it isn't just any third world women, as the thread isn't specifically about them, but borderline ugly third world women.

And my post was only meant to illustrate a low content quality thread. It was actually putting down the thread that you are upset about me mentioning.

I've not yet read the thread you just noted, but THAT is what my comment was about. If my tone seemed strange, it's not because I'm an SJW (woo woo woo) but rather because I was mocking your entitled attitude on the matter you slipped in a quip about - heckling you for what I saw as a shortsighted weakness.

For a guy who doesn't like insults, you're definitely liberal with them.

I disagree that a development and socioeconomic description of the environment of some women in the world is shortsighted weakness.

My entitled opinion on what matter? Please describe. In my view, I only described the low quality content focus of a thread.

As for the rest of your comments, I'll leave them alone for now so as to make it easier for you guys to get back on track, except to say it's funny how you're getting all high and mighty about crowd mentality while at the same time attempting to use this same crowd's language ("virtue signaling" and SJW) to shame me.

Virtue signalling is, specifically, a crowd behavior. As is all social signalling. I'll retract it, for now, out of deference to a possible miscommunication.

Yes, yes, none of us here are social islands. But we generally fight the tools of the left, not use them in getting offended at descriptive language. If you are attempting to have me change my language use, then I see that as a tactic of the much larger group. Again, I recant it pending resolution of the issue between us (and won't comment again on it if we don't resolve it).

To be honest I feel like this thread should have been closed a long time ago.

Well, yeah. Definitely. It's pointless now.

 

[SlickyBoy]

Liked this song until I saw the video...

I really wish I hadn't watched that shit.....