Plagiarism by highly knowledgeable and highly repped new member?

[Onto]

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

Joe's actions in starting this thread are more in line with making a name for himself.

If it were strictly about maintaining the integrity of the forum he would've sent Roosh, Tuth or Soma a PM and let them handle it.

Instead it's now a hornets nest of drama. All his thread is serving is to build and incite a mob-like mentality on the forum

 

[TravelerKai]

These are some mighty accusations.

A lot of this seems cut and pasted from various sources. From the geopolitics thread:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-53234-post-1214600.html#pid1214600

If the US dollar loses part of its status as the global reserve currency, then some of this privilege would accrue to China rather than the U.S. Borrowing costs, most importantly for the United States (U.S.) Government, would go up, and it would be more difficult for the US Treasury through the Federal Reserve to intervene to prop up the value of the currency in a sustained fashion (see my previous posts regarding the ESF). This would in turn weaken the ability of the U.S. to deficit spend and the sustainability of existing debt. The U.S. ability to enforce financial sanctions on foreign governments that it would like to control/influence would also decrease.

From a similar Quora posting:
https://www.quora.com/Will-the-acce...s-a-reserve-currency-be-detrimental-to-the-US

Under this view, if the US dollar loses parts of its status as the global reserve currency, then some of this privilege would accrue to China rather than the U.S. Borrowing costs, most importantly for the government, would go up, and it would be more difficult for the Federal Reserve system to intervene to prop up the value of the currency in a sustained fashion (though it doesn't do this except as a side effect of other conventional policies). This would in turn weaken the ability of the United States to deficit spend and the sustainability of existing debt. If this view is true then yes, absolutely the adoption of the CNY as a competing reserve currency would be detrimental to the United States.

His test pilot datasheet:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-54578-post-1255129.html#pid1255129

The Test Pilot School was created to formalize and standardize test pilot training in order to reduce the high accident rates (not to mention the even higher incident rates) as well as increase the number of productive test flights. In addition to the test pilots, there are also flight test engineers (often pilots themselves) and flight test navigators (who are also sometimes pilots).

From Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Air_Force_Test_Pilot_School

The Test Pilot School was created to formalize and standardize test pilot training in order to reduce the high accident rate during the 1940s and increase the number of productive test flights.[3] In response to the increasing complexity of aircraft and their electronic systems, the school added training programs for flight test engineers and flight test navigators.

I don't think i've ever seen anything like this done before and to this level.

I am curiously waiting for NTP's reply to these allegations :-/

Hold on Beast, Suits and I called dibs first. He still has not answered our questions yet about his time spent in China during the Cultural Revolution studying Buddhism when it was illegal and destroyed. Wait your turn damnit!!

Keep on diggin lads. Ain't no telling what is rotten under the floorboards, that should have made up this man's integrity and respect for his fellow brothers on RVF. He could just be a compulsive liar with a personality disorder. If that is the case, he may not be able to help himself and may always be a ratio style truth:lies type of story teller. If you are at least 20 years old, chances are high you have met one or two by now. Whether it is some dude that fishes off the pier and everytime you talk to him he tells you about some big ass fish he caught so many times before, but you never see him pull nothing but bait fish anytime you are there. A more common one for guys like us are the guys that brag about their gains or bench press numbers, but you never see any visibly on the dude nor see him rack at least 2 plates in the gym.

It's also a damn shame grown ass men here are such crybabies and get all moist about Jariel or other highly esteemed members not wanting to meet every guy out there for their own privacy reasons. You guys seem to have serious emotional issues and an unreasonable desire to either want to be validated or use a front for hero worship. Is not what you are working on as a man not enough to satisfy those urges?

Let me put it this way. You cannot pick your father figures and mentors in life. It doesn't work that way. They have to be pretty much just as willing to put themselves into your life as you would want them in yours. Some of you probably have better access to male mentors but probably duck them on purpose. Dudes like your pastors and junior pastors at your local church, older dudes you went to school with, your own uncles, etc. Even if they are not as red pill as you are, I bet many of them could teach a dude like Brian Shima a thing or two about being a man.

So please drop the whining about RVF members that don't want to meet in person. It sounds jealous, vindictive, and worst of all effeminate. I don't want to have to add more people that obviously have needs to my ignore list over something silly like this.

 

[The Beast1]

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alls-through-1-000-per-dollar-in-black-market

@Travelerkai,

 

[The Black Knight]

Also in light of all this, it might be worth considering splitting rep status between online rep and in-person rep. Maybe its overkill and excessive but it could have some benefits.

 

[OrthodoxExpatCol]

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alls-through-1-000-per-dollar-in-black-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

 

[AboveAverageJoe]

A plus B does not necessarily equal C. If he has copied and pasted some information, that doesn't unequivocally discount his claims. Perhaps he should have been more forthcoming in his sources and provided links as is the custom here.

In the Venezuela thread he posted this photo.

I don't think some basement dwelling troll would suddenly have access to a large amount of Venezualan cash and a NASA cap. Perhaps I have been fooled, but I'd like to think there is some truth to his story.

I am not an expert on Venezuela but I have watched Secuestro Express, great flick.
From what I understand of the current the value of Venezuelan currency that should be enough to compra una bolsa de tortillas, along with a handful of hundreds which I could produce at any time. Also I sent both of my now college-age children to space camp in Huntsville Alabama when they were kids. They came home with those exact same caps and patches, too. This is a poor example of verification.

 

[Going strong]

Is it possible he is the original author in all the aforementioned links outside RVF?

Possible, I guess (but it raises another question or two concerning use of one's free time - but hey, anyone does how he likes with his life)...

In any case, where could NTP have found all his (interesting) data on Venezuela? I mean, the internet is not exactly cram full with precise, minute data on everyday-life as an expat in Venezuela... and his data on Venezuela seems genuine. Once, I called him out on one aspect of his Venezuela reports ( https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-19223-post-1218023.html#pid1218023 ), and NTP was quick to answer my question in a logical and satisfactory way. (on this matter, I incidentally lament that NTP would not attack crazed dictator Maduro online on this forum, but, it probably is for personal security reasons)

So, to sum it up, I am, and most of us probably are, somewhat confused... I have the feeling NTP maybe did a small, innocent mistake, which is, when starting a thread here, first copying some general data from the internet (possibly from his own former online writings?), then adding new and personalized, and valuable, data from his own life experience.

I explain: Maybe NTP wants to talk about surfing, he then starts with a general introduction that he wrote years ago, or found on the internet, and after that, he starts delving in the matter with personal data from his past experiences IRL...?

In such a case, his initial partial (auto-)"plagiarism", is, I don't know, unnecessary at best, but just serves as introduction to subsequent personal and valuable data input...?

Myself I will patiently wait for the replies of NTP before making a definite opinion on this situation.

 

[cascadecombo]

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alls-through-1-000-per-dollar-in-black-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

I definitely google searched before posting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ven...oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b#q=bolivar+to+dollar

Either I chose the wrong currency or google simply sucks.

While it diminishes the value of that stack greatly, it's still a beautiful stack of cash.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

What if Joe is NTP?

 

[TravelerKai]

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

This is a fair statement when it comes to writing about game theory, and I don't have an answer to that.

I personally don't know if he does or doesn't have any interest in meeting anyone. I've never asked or read about it.

I know a few guys who are legit, that were skeptical about meeting other members, me included. Eventually I met up with some members. (Post Rape Article Fallout)

I also said, I take things with a grain of salt.

Trust but verify is ideal, but not always going to happen.

I still think Jariel games theory vs NTP's lifestyle has a huge difference.

I agree with everything you wrote except for game theory being easy. If it were so easy, why do very few people relatively speaking have any of it? Why do even fewer have actual good game? What are you expecting to see on a person that proves that they have great game, aside from going out hunting for hoes?

I have met maybe 8-9 people from the forum. Maybe only one of them actually looks like a player. None of them said anything better in person than what they have already written on the forum or said on a phone call. What are you guys trying to assess? Style and fashion? If I can discuss tailored suits and business wear for years on the forum and we meet in person but I have on a shirt and jeans with flip flops, does that mean I do not know fashion or style? Come on. You guys are looking for stuff that can be found before a meet up in person. Something even a phone call can even take care of. This shit sounds worst than bitches looking for excuses to call someone creepy.

 

[OrthodoxExpatCol]

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alls-through-1-000-per-dollar-in-black-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

I definitely google searched before posting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ven...oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b#q=bolivar+to+dollar

Either I chose the wrong currency or google simply sucks.

While it diminishes the value of that stack greatly, it's still a beautiful stack of cash.

Herein lies the problem with Venezuela - the government is trying to control the currency; 1:10 is the legally offered rate, 1:1000 is the black market rate.

 

[The Beast1]

That is a lovely mountain of cash there.
A bolivar is about 10 to 1usd? That makes each stack of those what about a grand per? Not a bad amount of play money.

It's about 1,000 Bolivars per 1 USD.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alls-through-1-000-per-dollar-in-black-market

@Travelerkai,

1000:1 and climbing.

I definitely google searched before posting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ven...oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b#q=bolivar+to+dollar

Either I chose the wrong currency or google simply sucks.

While it diminishes the value of that stack greatly, it's still a beautiful stack of cash.

You're half right. :angel: There's an official exchange rate that the government uses and the actual black market value.


But back to the topic at hand.

 

[AboveAverageJoe]

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

Joe's actions in starting this thread are more in line with making a name for himself.

If it was strictly about maintainjng the integrity of the forum he would've sent Roosh or Soma a PM and let them handle it.

Instead it's now a hornets nest of drama. All his thread is serving is to build and incite a mob-like mentality on the forum

Not kind of, but exactly like NTP lying to establish his name except, wait.
I don't have to lie to kick it.
As a writer I was offended.
As a surfer i was offended.
As a ladies man I was offended.
As an RVF member I was offended.
Thats why I exposed him.
Plagiarism is not cool by any standards, anywhere.

 

[thoughtgypsy]

1000:1 and climbing.

Eyeballing the above picture, assuming 100 notes per bundle, 17 bundles per column, 3 columns, that comes to 100 x 100 x 17 x 3 = 510,000 bolivars

Assuming an exchange rate of ~1:1000, unless I missed something, the money displayed would be approximately $510, or fairly close to the 4 $100 notes at the top of the stack

Edit: When photo was posted, would have been closer to 1:850 bringing the calculation to ~$600 (H/T WeekendCasanova)

 

[mikado]

So why didn't you PM the moderators and left it at that? Sometimes when a highly repped member is guilty of plagiarism or bad behaviour Roosh drops a post explaining a bit about the issue.

 

[Rhyme or Reason]

 

[Travesty]

Listen like G Manifesto, NASA in his short time has inspired me to try to build a villa on a Venezuelan island one day and buy a catamaran.

Plenty of other guys here that post first hand info, meet members all the time, never inspired me a lick. In fact there are guys that devote half their posts to Tinder and Craft Beer.

I am just saying the forum is better with this guy than without. At worst if he is a huge collaborator of information he has made me think about life a lot and being a man closer to nature and adventure.

Also I think guys want to see and learn from men that have great experiences and wisdom.

Guys also have this blue pill hope that guys that live bigger lives and have bigger egos will not embellish or aggrandize experiences and achievements. Why do guys have such a boner for the humble underseller? The Red Pill in us knows that really only worked in real life for someone like Jesus. And he got fucked over pretty bad.

Trump anyone?

I'd rather have a board half full of NASA's and GManifestos than guys reporting in from a moose ruled corner of Canada somewhere bitching about the women and how they can't find a direction in life.

Let's virtue signal with the humble now shall we?

 

[OrthodoxExpatCol]

1000:1 and climbing.

Eyeballing the above picture, assuming 100 notes per bundle, 17 bundles per column, 3 columns, that comes to 100 x 100 x 17 x 3 = 510,000 bolivars

Assuming an exchange rate of ~1:1000, unless I missed something, the money displayed would be approximately $510, or fairly close to the 4 $100 notes at the top of the stack

When that picture was posted, the exchange rate was 1:850 I believe (not that it matters)

 

[atlant]

Hey Joe,

Some copy and paste stuff in order to give a summary about sailing or handgliding, etc, hardly calls for the guillotine.

If you're looking to hang him, then go after something important like the Venezuela travel intel. That's the important stuff.

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

They say a man is only as good as his word. Online that probably goes at least twofold.

If a person is going to plagiarize for one thing, and for what reason, his credibility goes into the shitter. If he had cited sources instead of trying to pass off others words as his own no one would care seeing as how the data is still relevant data.

Joe is posting what he is posting because he seems to have experience with that topic and that gave him reason to research the validity of the information presented to us as NTP's own rather than the proper author.

Joe's actions in starting this thread are more in line with making a name for himself.

If it was strictly about maintainjng the integrity of the forum he would've sent Roosh or Soma a PM and let them handle it.

Instead it's now a hornets nest of drama. All his thread is serving is to build and incite a mob-like mentality on the forum

I don't see any mob mentality at all. That's for women and leftists. Instead, I see a lot of reasonable, well thought out posts elaborating on both possible positions on this. Let's also not pretend this is all on OP, the discussion was going on in the Buddhism thread for a while anyway and would have continued there.

Overall no matter the outcome, the whole affair I would consider a good learning experience for the forum as a whole.

Also, as far as the "could he be the original author" idea (which is a bit far fetched to begin with, but hey, NTP is a man of many talents, I know), the bit pasted from a Quora answer which was pretty much seamlessly integrated into NTP's post, is written by someone who has his full name and photo in his Quora profile, and unless he's a time traveler...wait, now that actually would explain a lot of things...

 

[TravelerKai]

If you can't do that then drop your petty witchhunt.

I don't think that's fair.

When a guy purporting to have lived the "RVF Dream Life" rides suddenly into town, lots of younger guys are going to hang on his every word.

It is the job of the older men on this forum to take passing on their experiences, good or bad, seriously.

As such, disruption by fake personas ,created for god knows what purpose, should not be tolerated or given free reign to embellish and plagiarise.

Well said. This is our job and it serves a purpose to help guide the younger guys that are watching/lurking. The next WestIndianArchie or Samseau is probably 19 and lurking. Do we want to show ourselves as incompetent and easily fooled by gulping up anything that comes our way? Do we want to demonstrate sketchy ethics by accepting lying from one dude over truth from another that prefers privacy? Onto is older than you and I, yet we have to explain basic concepts of leadership to him, something our martial arts backgrounds, in regards to discipline, gave us years ago as young men. Why disappointing to see, these lashouts of emotion are to be seen as what they are, but not impede those firm enough with the correct amount of wisdom, to take care of the business at hand.