Plagiarism by highly knowledgeable and highly repped new member?

[Rhyme or Reason]

Re: The picture of Venezuelan cash...

What is that supposed to prove? And am I suppose to believe that nobody is capable of getting a NASA cap?

 

[RexImperator]

I copy/paste stuff here all the time but I put it in quotes and provide a link back to the source.

 

[DamienCasanova]

Joe, I'd slow my roll before making accusations like this until you have all the facts.

Based on the sheer amount of Nasa's posts and interactions here vs you just showing up a couple days ago with a handful of posts, the majority of evidence and experience is on NTP's side. He is innocent until proven guilt as far as i'm concerned, and for all anyone here knows you're simply trying to make a name for yourself off his back. For all I know you could be the same person playing an elaborate troll game. Who else here has met either one of you?

And I can't believe highly respected people on here actually repped you for this high school drama inspired thread with the click bait title. Sad day for RVF with this kind of BS drama.

 

[The Beast1]

I'm hesitant to write this, but NTP awhile back sent me pictures of himself, him and some girl, boat, and him swimming. I was taken aback by this as I didn't ask for it. It came after I replied to something of his in another thread. It was the same guy in each picture.

I've long since deleted them at the request of him nor did I do a quick Google search to make sure they were clear.

Still not sure where my opinion on this whole matter is.

 

[BortimusPrime]

I think it stands to reason that if someone is making enormous posts on a forum frequently, that in of itself implies that the individual in question couldn't possibly be leading the exciting active life they claim.

 

[HighSpeed_LowDrag]

At the very least, this warrants swift adjudication and judgement by the moderators.

The amount of beneficial material that any poster has produced for this forum is irrelevant when it cannot be relied upon to be in the person's own voice. Doubly so when the person under suspicion is a highly repped, well-regarded member of our community.

If such a person cannot be trusted to be authentic then they have no place here, pure and simple. Especially considering the simple ease by which any person could falsify anything on an internet-based platform. Dramatization or embellishment of one's own life is one thing. Outright falsification and/or deception is completely unacceptable.

 

[OrthodoxExpatCol]

What a week: First penis transplant completed, now a purported NTP scandal.


:mindblown3:

 

[Travesty]

As a writer I was offended.
As a surfer i was offended.
As a ladies man I was offended.
As an RVF member I was offended.

Oh Lord was your bra strapped on too tight this morning?

 

[TravelerKai]

Joe, I'd slow my roll before making accusations like this until you have all the facts.

Based on the sheer amount of Nasa's posts and interactions here vs you just showing up a couple days ago with a handful of posts, the majority of evidence and experience is on NTP's side. He is innocent until proven guilt as far as i'm concerned, and for all anyone here knows you're simply trying to make a name for yourself off his back. For all I know you could be the same person playing an elaborate troll game. Who else here has met either one of you?

And I can't believe highly respected people on here actually repped you for this high school drama inspired thread with the click bait title. Sad day for RVF with this kind of BS drama.

I started the initial questioning of Nasa in another thread. That is why Joe created another one so that thread would not get derailed.

 

[OrthodoxExpatCol]

As a writer I was offended.
As a surfer i was offended.
As a ladies man I was offended.
As an RVF member I was offended.

Oh Lord was your bra strapped on too tight this morning?

 

[Going strong]

Also, one thing to note: as I pointed out on another thread, how could NTP have bad intentions towards the forum, when he actually turned down an offer for money (heading his way), having instead this proffered money delivered to us, through numerous gifts-of-gold (to many value-adding forum members)? Does not make sense...

I mean, if I rightly remember, NTP at some point gave valuable business advices to a respectable forum member, and consequently this (generous) forum member offered to give a "thank-you" gift of money to NTP, and NTP said: no, instead please give gifts-of-gold to as many (good) forum members as you can... So, NTP quite certainly means good to the forum.

(This is not to say that Suits or TravelerKai have no right to investigate: quite the contrary, I find their investigation in itself interesting, sharp and valuable. I am just saying, NTP has to be given the benefit of doubt, like DamianCasanova said, on account of his past services)

 

[AboveAverageJoe]

So why didn't you PM the moderators and left it at that? Sometimes when a highly repped member is guilty of plagiarism or bad behaviour Roosh drops a post explaining a bit about the issue.

I assume you are speaking to me.

On another thread Traveller Kai Suits and others were beginning to openly debate the veracity of NTP's claims. I had already had a strange feeling from reading his Buddhism, Surfing, Hangliding, and Global Currency threads, I quickly realized i had read his information somewhere before or that it was too well compiled for a casual poster. I realized that it was too well constructed to not be written for hire. I started thinking: "are all these posts and threads just a precursor to an ebook or blog?" Then it dawned on me what was really going on.

Many members write as a pastime, hobby, or a side/main hustle. Anyone who has the slightest respect for intellectual property should be offended. Or should I start my own Game ebook/blog with info gleaned from Roosh, othe RP bloggers and forum members?
No excuses, man.

 

[DamienCasanova]

Joe, I'd slow my roll before making accusations like this until you have all the facts.

Based on the sheer amount of Nasa's posts and interactions here vs you just showing up a couple days ago with a handful of posts, the majority of evidence and experience is on NTP's side. He is innocent until proven guilt as far as i'm concerned, and for all anyone here knows you're simply trying to make a name for yourself off his back. For all I know you could be the same person playing an elaborate troll game. Who else here has met either one of you?

And I can't believe highly respected people on here actually repped you for this high school drama inspired thread with the click bait title. Sad day for RVF with this kind of BS drama.

I started the initial questioning of Nasa in another thread. That is why Joe created another one so that thread would not get derailed.

I know you did, I read that thread a few days ago and i'd love to see the answers as well.

SO why is some poster who just joined a week ago, without a dog in this fight, the one making a thread about it and not you? Sounds like he's trying to make a name for himself to me, or start some drama for laughs, or who knows what. Looks like social climbing on other people's backs to me, and the sad part is this AboveAverageJoe gets repped for it, without providing any content, data or experiences like NTP has. He may be a great honest guy as well, or he could be a clever mole for all I know, but his actions are more suspicious to me than anything NTP has done.

If you would have started this thread it would be less suspicious, and understandably authentic from your line of questioning and senior member status.

 

[pitt]

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

This is a fair statement when it comes to writing about game theory, and I don't have an answer to that.

I personally don't know if he does or doesn't have any interest in meeting anyone. I've never asked or read about it.

I know a few guys who are legit, that were skeptical about meeting other members, me included. Eventually I met up with some members. (Post Rape Article Fallout)

I also said, I take things with a grain of salt.

Trust but verify is ideal, but not always going to happen.

I still think Jariel games theory vs NTP's lifestyle has a huge difference.

I agree with everything you wrote except for game theory being easy. If it were so easy, why do very few people relatively speaking have any of it? Why do even fewer have actual good game? What are you expecting to see on a person that proves that they have great game, aside from going out hunting for hoes?

I have met maybe 8-9 people from the forum. Maybe only one of them actually looks like a player. None of them said anything better in person than what they have already written on the forum or said on a phone call. What are you guys trying to assess? Style and fashion? If I can discuss tailored suits and business wear for years on the forum and we meet in person but I have on a shirt and jeans with flip flops, does that mean I do not know fashion or style? Come on. You guys are looking for stuff that can be found before a meet up in person. Something even a phone call can even take care of. This shit sounds worst than bitches looking for excuses to call someone creepy.

I have no interest in meeting Jariel in person. I have never tried to meet him, I don't live in the same city as him and I have nothing against the guy, he actually gave me great info about Latin american cities and Miami, no grudges here.

However, we had people on this forum that claimed to be this and that but never met anybody, at the end we found out that they were full of lies.

I don't think that this forum has a policy where forum members must meet others in order to become part of this community so I am not saying that he must meet other members but I just find it strange that you would be in a forum community for so many years and you have no interest in meeting any forum members. I have received tons of information after meeting certain members here that they never disclosed online, you can't go wrong by meeting members from here. To each his own, if he doesn't want to meet other members, all good.

Writing gaming theory is not the same as writing about physics or any other complex topic. According to your logic, a guy that writes good information about game is automatically a great player?

Stop calling members crybabies, we are simply having a normal discussion, you may want to read the forum policy again.

 

[DeusLuxMeaEst]

This may be new to some of the guys as the Deep Forum probably gets the least amount of hits, but this all started in the Buddhism thread. I give props to TravelerKai for being the first in asking tough questions, followed by Suits and then NTP mostly dodging the questions and sending a bunch of us a PM. AverageJoe may be a new member, but he has the blessing of several of us in posting this thread.

Here is my response in the original Buddhism thread:

I want to reiterate that this isn't a witch hunt against NTP.

I was on the original PM and I responded to everyone saying that while I hope we have the most interesting man in the world on this forum, some of his claims (mentioned below) seem embellished or outright false. I haven't read many of his posts as I haven't had much time to be on the forum lately, but a few stuck out in my memory.

1) His claim of training with Buddhist monks in China. I'll defer to Suits and TK on this one, but as we can see there are holes in the story.

2) As pointed out by Suits above, the swimming claim. Here's an article on Michael Phelp's training regimen.

https://www.muscleprodigy.com/michael-ph...-and-diet/

"In peak training phases, Phelps swims minimum 80,000 meters a week, which is nearly 50 miles."

That comes out to ~11500 meters a day. Read the quote above posted by Suits. Apparently NTPs regimen surpasses that of Michael Phelps at 50+ years old.

Any competitive swimmers here? Please chime in.

3) He recently made a post about speed reading and increasing the ability to process information.

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-55778.htm

"...my father helped me read faster with what he called a holo-tropic sound device and I learned to read backward and forward as well as at a rate over 4 times the maximum"

I couldn't find any information about such a device, not to mention the fact that most studies on speed reading techniques have shown they don't work. I've never met anyone in my life who made such a claim.

I believe there is only one time we should 'lie' on this forum and that is to fudge small details to cover our identities. Example: The girl was really a blonde, but you said she was a brunette, she was 25, but you say she's 28, etc. I've done this myself as I'm sure so have others, we do what we have to do to throw off our enemies.

That's one thing, but IMO we don't have time for fantastic stories and extraordinary claims unless they are backed up. We're just looking to keep this forum credible, not attack anyone.

If NTP did all these things then power to him, I'll be the first to apologize and I'll be happy to learn from him in the future. Until I see the evidence however, I remain unconvinced.

I was political there. With more evidence mounting it's becoming clear that NTP has clearly plagiarized and BSed about several topics on the forum.
His credibility is zero in my eyes at this point.

 

[TravelerKai]

Game theory is not the most difficult thing to write. Lots of guys can write about game but unless you have met them in person, you don't know if they are authentic, if they really walk the talk.

If you are a guy who has no problems travelling abroad and meeting people from different cultures, why wouldn't you meet guys that have similar mindsets and live in the same city as you?

Are you really going to tell me that he has no interest in meeting one or two members from this forum?

Nothing personal against the guy but something here is not right.

This is a fair statement when it comes to writing about game theory, and I don't have an answer to that.

I personally don't know if he does or doesn't have any interest in meeting anyone. I've never asked or read about it.

I know a few guys who are legit, that were skeptical about meeting other members, me included. Eventually I met up with some members. (Post Rape Article Fallout)

I also said, I take things with a grain of salt.

Trust but verify is ideal, but not always going to happen.

I still think Jariel games theory vs NTP's lifestyle has a huge difference.

I agree with everything you wrote except for game theory being easy. If it were so easy, why do very few people relatively speaking have any of it? Why do even fewer have actual good game? What are you expecting to see on a person that proves that they have great game, aside from going out hunting for hoes?

I have met maybe 8-9 people from the forum. Maybe only one of them actually looks like a player. None of them said anything better in person than what they have already written on the forum or said on a phone call. What are you guys trying to assess? Style and fashion? If I can discuss tailored suits and business wear for years on the forum and we meet in person but I have on a shirt and jeans with flip flops, does that mean I do not know fashion or style? Come on. You guys are looking for stuff that can be found before a meet up in person. Something even a phone call can even take care of. This shit sounds worst than bitches looking for excuses to call someone creepy.

I have no interest in meeting Jariel in person. I have never tried to meet him, I don't live in the same city as him and I have nothing against the guy, he actually gave me great info about Latin american cities and Miami, no grudges here.

However, we had people on this forum that claimed to be this and that but never met anybody, at the end we found that they were full of lies.

I don't think that this forum has a policy where forum members must meet others in order to become part of this community so I am not saying that he must meet other members but I just find it strange that you would be in a forum community for so many years and you have no interest in meeting any forum members. I have received tons of information after meeting certain members here that they never disclosed online, you can't go wrong by meeting members from here. To each his own, if he doesn't want to meet other members, all good.

Writing gaming theory is not the same as writing about physics or any other complex topic. According to your logic, a guy that writes good information about game is automatically a great player?

Stop calling members crybabies, we are simply having a normal discussion, you may want to read the forum policy again.

I had zero interest in meeting anyone here in person. Others asked me and I accepted. I personally do not go out of my way to initiate these things. I also understand that our anonymity is very important in protecting ourselves from being doxxed. There will come a day when some some male feminist working for the other side doxxes someone here or tries to do so. Some of us have alot to lose and ever since Roosh took on more fights with the mainstream, the stakes are even higher.

Game theory more complex than physics? If Social Engineering itself was so easy why do people spend literally billions if not trillions on it. The CIA ran many secret programs to build profiles on people to predict behavior, to help them with spying and terrorism. I think you are attempting to trivialize the social aspect of human interactions as less sophisticated than mathematical logic, when they are closer to equals in terms of complexity. Just because people can walk and talk to each other does not equal to life being easy by default.

I called no one a crybaby, you used that term. That was directed at Brian because he has done this multiple times already and it is getting really old now and he is attempting to start a fight that does not need to be started in this thread and is irrelevant to the topic. If anything, if you read the rules yourself you will find that if someone is constantly going from one thread to another to take swipes at other members for not wanting to meet them, it's technically trolling.

 

[Speculation]

Joe moved this here rather than polluting another thread. It was going to happen regardless, but now it has more visibility and can also be ignored by people that don't care about the issue.

Regardless of how you feel about the issue, I think this is a good thing.

 

[Il Bersagliere]

Sounds like NTP is quite the Renaissance Man.

Has anyone met up with him in person?

 

[Endurance]

I have received incredible amounts of value from my PMs with NTP and he has definitely contributed to a wide range of topics all over the forum. This is evident with his 83 reps with only 310 posts. *The evidence is certainly piling up but we need to wait for a response before he gets crucified.* I really hope you guys are wrong but I'm becoming more and more suspicious.

 

[CleanSlate]

2) As pointed out by Suits above, the swimming claim. Here's an article on Michael Phelp's training regimen.

https://www.muscleprodigy.com/michael-ph...-and-diet/

"In peak training phases, Phelps swims minimum 80,000 meters a week, which is nearly 50 miles."

That comes out to ~11500 meters a day. Read the quote above posted by Suits. Apparently NTPs regimen surpasses that of Michael Phelps at 50+ years old.

Any competitive swimmers here? Please chime in.

The Phelps link above is broken.

Although I have no dog in this fight, and I've corresponded with NTP via PM for a bit, he gave me no reason to become suspicious of him. Plus he posted encouragement in my location independence thread.

However, I was a competitive swimmer throughout my entire childhood and halfway through college. That's about 16 years of going to swim practice every day.

During the peak of my swimming career, I topped out at 5,000 meters a day. And I was nowhere near the level of an Olympian. Some of that were two-a-days... once in the morning for 3,500 meters, and another 1,500 in the evening. Other days I did them all in one practice. It took me about 1.5-2 hours to cover that distance, and we're not even counting transportation to and from the pool, and time spent changing in the locker room.

And this workload kicked my ass. I got burned out multiple times on that workload, especially during the school year and doing other sports.

Guys like Michael Phelps are usually sponsored, so they could spend more time swimming than studying or working.

With NTP's posting history about traveling, sailing, managing LTRs with multiple women, I can't imagine doing 20,000 meters a day... let alone do the hardcore Phelps's 11,500m/day regimen.