Plant-Based Diets?

bucky

Ostrich
No, but it might explain the weight gain

Yeah, it's a product of our broken societies. In the video below he explains how he came to fruitariani


Many young people nowadays run from one addiction into the other, from one extreme ideology into the other. It's as if there is not common sense, no middle ground anymore

To be fair, I worked with a young guy recently who was a 100% carnivore and pretty fanatic about it, to the point that he'd get visibly annoyed if he saw me eating a vegetarian dish. Jordan Peterson follower, for what it's worth. He lifted weights and looked pretty fit and healthy when I first started working with him, but by about a year later he had dark rings around his eyes, his posture was suffering, and his behavior was becoming more and more erratic and obsessive, to the point that everyone in my department noticed it. It was like watching the bizzaro world version of an obsessive vegan. There are many routes to an unhealthy obsession with food.
 

kel

Ostrich
I've seen that guy before, he's popped up in scary-delusion-vegan-compilation type videos and I watched a few of his afterwards. As you can see from the two videos posted, while nobody would call the guy in second video particularly healthy, he is leaps and bounds from when I first saw him. Dude looked like a corpse.
 

Zenta

Woodpecker
Gold Member
To be fair, I worked with a young guy recently who was a 100% carnivore and pretty fanatic about it, to the point that he'd get visibly annoyed if he saw me eating a vegetarian dish. Jordan Peterson follower, for what it's worth. He lifted weights and looked pretty fit and healthy when I first started working with him, but by about a year later he had dark rings around his eyes, his posture was suffering, and his behavior was becoming more and more erratic and obsessive, to the point that everyone in my department noticed it. It was like watching the bizzaro world version of an obsessive vegan. There are many routes to an unhealthy obsession with food.
Yeah I think there is something to be gained in finding balance in life. I watched that video about how he became a fruit and basically he did some great things like getting off drugs and porn, doing something other than just going to work high and coming home high and playing video games till he passes out. Good commitment but if he stuck to that lifestyle with a better diet and lifted he could be light years ahead. Instead it seems like he traded his old addictions for a sugar addiction.

Edit: though his juicing on one of the videos makes me want to get a juicer. I dont take in hardly enough plant based nutrition and that could make it easier for me since its not big on my pallet.
 
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911

Peacock
Gold Member
Gotcha, just checking because I take b12 supplement. Thanks.

Yeah I'll watch this video, this guy is fascinatingly sad, I was looking at his instagram and youtube and noticed he has an e-book out on how he lived in Asia for 2 years on only $300 a month. $3600 a year. I suppose props to him on that but not really seeing how he ended up.

I think a piece of fruit a day is fine, but I don't push it past that lol.


^What size cup do you wear?
 

JayR

Woodpecker
Did not watch the fruitarian guy video.

Whole fruits taste good. Why? Because they are GOOD FOR YOU.

This doesn't mean that you don't need other sources of nutrients, too.
 

Againstallodds

Robin
Orthodox
Say no to veganism
Say no to carnivore
Balanced diet is where it's always been at. Healthy carbs, lean protein and some healthy fats. People complicate this because they like to join cults even when it comes to diets.
 

kel

Ostrich
Fruit in reasonable amounts. Cruciferous vegetables have some carbs, but net out to very very few, so I guess they count, too, though people go overboard with vegetables tbh.

I do eat some bread(-like things) from time to time, but it's a rare treat.

Disagree strongly with "lean protein". After the organs, the fatty bits of the animal are where all the goodness are, both in terms of flavor and fat-soluble vitamins. I buy the fattiest meat I can find. I would rather fast than eat skinless chicken.
 

kel

Ostrich
When I eat chicken, which is relatively rare compared to other meats, I'll buy a fuckton of thighs, and do a sort of reverse sear. Let the skin dry for several hours, add salt and a rub if you want low-and-slow in the oven (225° for 35 minutes), then I put the broiler on high, give the top side five minutes, the bottom side five minutes, the top side five more minutes.

And then I just eat the crispy skins and make that my meal for the night. The insides stay moist and juicy and the next day I put them in a curry or stew or make tacos or something with them.
 

Againstallodds

Robin
Orthodox
I understand there is a lot of debate about diets. I gave a generalized advice based on current science. For example, there was a study showing that eating poultry and fish as opposed to red meat lowered your biological age. People have different genetics, gut bacteria, physical activity, ect so everyone's tolerance is different. Most keto dieter for example are highly disciplined, motivated and into fitness. That in itself is already a confounding factor. Other things to consider is that animals store toxins in organs and fat. If you aren't buying grass fed animals it's another potential problem. We also have many studies linking high saturated fat with liver damage. Same with extremely high fructose. Dairy is another topic and you have A1 vs A2 nuances to consider. That's why balance is important. I am aware we can't make absolute statements but general non-extremist advice is appropriate. Also total caloric intake does matter and fat being more calorie dense can push a lot of people over the edge.
 
I still don’t think it matters, but even if it does, high fat diets still win. It’s hard to overeat on a keto/carnivore because it’s so filling. On top of that, you don’t get big insulin spikes off of fats, which is the hormone that causes you to store fat in the first place. GoodLookingLoser tested this when he ate 7000 calories of cheese for 7 days and LOST weight. If a calorie is a calorie, he should have gained weight, no?
 
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DeWoken

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
To be fair, I worked with a young guy recently who was a 100% carnivore and pretty fanatic about it, to the point that he'd get visibly annoyed if he saw me eating a vegetarian dish. Jordan Peterson follower, for what it's worth. He lifted weights and looked pretty fit and healthy when I first started working with him, but by about a year later he had dark rings around his eyes, his posture was suffering, and his behavior was becoming more and more erratic and obsessive, to the point that everyone in my department noticed it. It was like watching the bizzaro world version of an obsessive vegan. There are many routes to an unhealthy obsession with food.

The Jordan Peterson follower thing is a red flag. That'll mess you right up.

However, I do the carnivore diet. It's not like JP and MP invented the carnivore diet. Like any diet there are good and bad ways to do it. My way is better than a lot of people's out there by the sounds of it. The main dude I follow on YouTube is Frank Tufano, who is a an Italian-American New Yorker in his late twenties. Frank runs his own grass-fed meat shipping company which is in direct competition with the likes of Butcher Box - who sponsors pretty much every other carnivore YouTuber out there.

Frank explains how he feels that there is a conspiracy at play where Big Ag and Big Meat companies want to push bad diets on people. If you do carnivore they want you to do the worst version possible: Costco steaks from grain-fed cattle, with no talk about seafood, organ meats or any supplementation. Frank isn't perfect, and he has at times railed against Christianity, but he has a good head on his shoulders and most of the time his heart is in the right place. The number one tip I'd give to anyone trying out carnivore is to supplement copper and go grass-fed.

I wasn't able to make it through this whole thread but my main problem with the PBDs is the whole "lacking 15 nootrients". I'm definitely interested in finding out more about Christian dietary restrictions.

Newbie Question: will the software prevent me from posting replies in "politics" and "race" subjects or do I have to do that myself?
 
I'm definitely interested in finding out more about Christian dietary restrictions.

In Acts 10:9-16, Peter had a vision where God showed him that Gentiles need not follow the Jewish law, including the dietary restrictions. In Romans 14:13-23, St. Paul adds one restriction: you should not offend a fellow Christian with your food choices.
Historically, most churches have had days of corporate fasting, where the people fast together (eating only one meal late in the day, with no meat, or something along those lines), and the Orthodox Church still does this. Although fasting is different from a dietary purity law, since we're temporarily forgoing meat/food because it's good, whereas a Muslim or a Jew forgoes pork because to them it is unclean.
 

DeWoken

Woodpecker
Orthodox Inquirer
That is one weird looking motherf*cker.

Maybe eh.
He elected for surgery to fix his under bite - you can see videos of him before and after. The swelling afterward is horrendous, lasting months. He also had some work done on his nipples. He wanted to get into acting and modelling when he was younger but now he is red pilled and understands (((the structure))) of things that holds people back. Frank was forged in the swamps of NYC superficiality; he can't help it. He has lots of VLog type videos on his channel.

Frank wants to get out of New York and start a farm producing quality dairy and eggs, which are harder to acquire. Bugging out to start a homestead makes a lot of sense but it ain't easy. It looks like his parents don't want to move with him and getting loans is challenging. Cell towers are everywhere (to be avoided). For now he's upgrading his meat shipping warehouse by moving to a new location. The fool hired some diversity scam artist to install the refrigerator, yielding predictable results. Watch if you have the stomach for it:



In Acts 10:9-16, Peter had a vision where God showed him that Gentiles need not follow the Jewish law, including the dietary restrictions. In Romans 14:13-23, St. Paul adds one restriction: you should not offend a fellow Christian with your food choices.
Historically, most churches have had days of corporate fasting, where the people fast together (eating only one meal late in the day, with no meat, or something along those lines), and the Orthodox Church still does this. Although fasting is different from a dietary purity law, since we're temporarily forgoing meat/food because it's good, whereas a Muslim or a Jew forgoes pork because to them it is unclean.

Thanks. And good health to you! :)
 
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