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[DanielH]

Vatican offers to mediate between Russia & Ukraine​

https://www.rt.com/russia/550839-vatican-offers-mediate-conflict/

The Holy See should publish a statement condemning the Jewish Ukrainian government for distributing LGBT publications to the school children of the predominantly Christian country.

 

[messaggera]

The Holy See should publish a statement condemning the Jewish Ukrainian government for distributing LGBT publications to the school children of the predominantly Christian country.

Is the Church not responsible in a society for taking a firm stand on sexual problems, such as abortions, divorces, homosexuality, and premarital intercourse?

The Roman Catholic Church understands itself to be the one, holy, universal, and apostolic church, not only concerned with the well-being and salvation of its members but of the entire world. It sees itself as present to the many particularities, struggles, and needs of contemporary society and humankind and endeavors to give life and witness to the gospel values of hope, love, peace, and justice everywhere as part of its evangelical mission (Pope Paul VI 1965; Pope Francis 2013).

Hoping no one takes offence to the following statement, but given the circumstances over the century one could point out that Catholicism leadership has allowed Christians to become virtuously deprived; and the religion itself has lacked influence on a society's moral development.


Why is the whole world, even Klaus, really condemning Russia's military operation? Is it not true what President Putin stated:
via @DanielH forum posts :

As for our country, after the disintegration of the USSR, given the entire unprecedented openness of the new, modern Russia, its readiness to work honestly with the United States and other Western partners, and its practically unilateral disarmament, they immediately tried to put the final squeeze on us, finish us off, and utterly destroy us. This is how it was in the 1990s and the early 2000s, when the so-called collective West was actively supporting separatism and gangs of mercenaries in southern Russia. What victims, what losses we had to sustain and what trials we had to go through at that time before we broke the back of international terrorism in the Caucasus! We remember this and will never forget.

Properly speaking, the attempts to use us in their own interests never ceased until quite recently: they sought to destroy our traditional values and force on us their false values that would erode us, our people from within, the attitudes they have been aggressively imposing on their countries, attitudes that are directly leading to degradation and degeneration, because they are contrary to human nature. This is not going to happen. No one has ever succeeded in doing this, nor will they succeed now. [source link]

 

[messaggera]

Catholics are outside of The Church since 1054. V2 is not the only of their problems.

No it is not; as seen here with the pope displaying a propaganda prop:

Pope kisses Ukrainian flag, condemns 'the massacre of Bucha'

Pope Francis on Wednesday condemned "the massacre of Bucha" and kissed a Ukrainian flag sent from the town where tied bodies shot at close range littered the streets after Russian troops withdrew and bodies poked out of a mass grave at a church.

www.reuters.com

 

[Mountaineer]

No it is not; as seen here with the pope displaying a propaganda prop:

Pope kisses Ukrainian flag, condemns 'the massacre of Bucha'

Pope Francis on Wednesday condemned "the massacre of Bucha" and kissed a Ukrainian flag sent from the town where tied bodies shot at close range littered the streets after Russian troops withdrew and bodies poked out of a mass grave at a church.

www.reuters.com

The Anti-Pope displays a literal false flag. It's a lie on top of a lie.

 

[messaggera]

The Anti-Pope displays a literal false flag. It's a lie on top of a lie.

This is interesting if true taken from an article:

March 24, speaking off the cuff to Catholic women, the Pope said he was “ashamed” when he read that “a group of states have committed to spend two percent of their GDP to buy weapons, as a response to what ‘is now’: this is madness,” adding, “The real response is not more weapons, more sanctions, more politico-military alliances, but another approach, a different way of governing the world.”

Pope Francis in Kyiv: what if he goes? | MercatorNet

What will happen if the Pope goes to Kyiv? Of course, in this question, for the time being, the operative word is “if.” Francis has said that the option to travel to the Ukrainian capital is “on the table.” That doesn’t mean a decision has already been made. But “if” the Pope does go to […]

mercatornet.com

The article questions if the pope with be photographed with Zelensky; IF he were to go.
What message would that send to the world?

 

[Mountaineer]

a different way of governing the world

The way of his owner - Jeffrey Sachs. This is why I'm leaving RCC, the 'infallible' pope is illegitimate. I cannot stand this mountain of lies. Witch each step they are falling lower and lower....

What message would that send to the world?

I would ask who's instead. Satan's...

 

[messaggera]

How things are progressing on this thread topic.

In an interview the Pope suggested NATO may have provoked Russia, and questioned weapons of war being sent by countries.
Disrespectful words to Russian Orthodox Church too?

3 May 2022

ROME⁠—Pope Francis said that the “barking of NATO at the door of Russia” might have led to the invasion of Ukraine and that he didn't know whether other countries should supply Ukraine with more arms.

The pope at the same time deplored the brutality of the war and criticized the leader of the Russian Orthodox Church for defending the invasion in religious terms, warning that Patriarch Kirill of Moscow “cannot turn himself into Putin’s altar boy.” [Wall Street Journal article]

Pope Francis wants to meet with Putin
Pope Francis said in an interview published on Tuesday that he requested a meeting in Moscow with Russian President Vladimir Putin to try to stop the war in Ukraine, but received no response. [reference link]

 

[messaggera]

How things are progressing on this thread topic.

Metropolitan Anthony of Volokolamsk meets with Pope Francis of Rome

On May 3, by personal invitation of Pope Francis of Rome, the Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations, Metropolitan Anthony of Volokolamsk, , attended among honorary guests the General Audience held on the St. Peter’s Square.

mospat.ru

Metropolitan Anthony of Volokolamsk meets with Pope Francis of Rome​

DECR Communication Service, 03.05.2023.

On May 3, by personal invitation of Pope Francis of Rome, the Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations, Metropolitan Anthony of Volokolamsk, , attended among honorary guests the General Audience held on the St. Peter’s Square.

After the event, Metropolitan Anthony had a talk with the head of the Roman Catholic Church. Pope Francis warmly welcomed the hierarch, greeting him on the continuing Paschal days and asking him to convey his best wishes to His Holiness Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia. In his turn, Metropolitan Anthony, speaking on behalf of the Primate of the Russian Orthodox Church, conveyed to the Pontiff congratulatory words on the Pascha and the tenth anniversary marking this year the Pope’s service on the See of Rome.

During the talk, Pope Francis and Metropolitan Anthony dealt with a number of topical issues concerning inter-church relations. They also exchanged tokens of the meeting.

Then the DECR Chairman proceeded to the St. Peter’s Basilica where he venerated the relics of the First Apostle and other shrines.

On the same day, Metropolitan Anthony visited the Dicastery for Promoting Christian Unity to meet with Archbishop Brian Farrell, secretary of the curial department. During a prolonged talk, which was held in a cordial atmosphere, they discussed a wide range of issues concerning the cooperation at present between the Russian Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church.

After the meeting, the DECR Chairman left for Moscow.

Vatican offers to mediate between Russia & Ukraine

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-05-03/pope-meets-moscow-church-official-after-puzzling-peace-mission-comment

Metropolitan (bishop) Anthony, effectively the ROC's number two, was given pride of place at Francis's general audience in St. Peter's Square and then was the first taken to greet the pope at the end. He spent longer chatting with Anthony than with others.
On his return from a trip to Hungary on Sunday night, Francis was asked by a reporter whether Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban and ROC officials could accelerate a Ukraine peace process and arrange a meeting between the pope and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"There is a mission in course now but it is not yet public. When it is public, I will reveal it," the pope responded.

Francis added that he had spoken about Ukraine with Orban and with Metropolitan Hilarion, the chief representative of the Russian Orthodox Church in Budapest and Anthony's predecessor as head of the ROC's external relations.
But his words appeared to take both Kyiv and Moscow by surprise, with both saying they knew nothing about any papal peace initiative in the works.
Neither the pope nor the Vatican press office have elaborated on the comments since. Anthony has had meetings with other Vatican officials but it was unclear if he would have a private audience with the pope during his visit to Rome.
Francis, 86, has said previously that he wants to visit Kyiv but also Moscow on a peace mission.

Pressed by reporters on the sidelines of an event in Rome later on Wednesday, Vatican Secretary of State Cardinal Pietro Parolin insisted that there is a plan for a mission but it would be up to the pope to decide when to disclose it.

 

[EntWife]

Metropolitan Anthony of Volokolamsk meets with Pope Francis of Rome

On May 3, by personal invitation of Pope Francis of Rome, the Chairman of the Moscow Patriarchate Department for External Church Relations, Metropolitan Anthony of Volokolamsk, , attended among honorary guests the General Audience held on the St. Peter’s Square.

mospat.ru

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-05-03/pope-meets-moscow-church-official-after-puzzling-peace-mission-comment

It's pretty clear that a lot of heirarchs don't study the prophecies of our saints regarding the time we live in. If I recall correctly, there's a prophecy about the pope causing an awful lot of trouble right about now...

 

[messaggera]

It's pretty clear that a lot of heirarchs don't study the prophecies of our saints regarding the time we live in. If I recall correctly, there's a prophecy about the pope causing an awful lot of trouble right about now...

Someone else mentioned this prophecy on this thread, but I could not find it anywhere. Was going to ask you if you knew before you posted: "the pope causing trouble"

 

[EntWife]

Someone else mentioned this prophecy on this thread, but I could not find it anywhere. Was going to ask you if you knew before you posted: "the pope causing trouble"

I'll try to find it. For some reason, I'm drawing a blank on where exactly I saw it, so it may take me a little while.

 

[EntWife]

Okay, one source is St. Kosmas' prophecy where he says, "Condemn the Pope for he will be the cause of the misfortunes." I attached a pdf to this comment https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads...nd-ephraimite-monasteries.42604/#post-1692875 that includes that prophecy. It's on page 107, #11.

That's not actually the source I had in mind though. I'm going to put a bunch of my Orthodox prophecy sources on that thread, to kinda gather them in one spot for anyone who is interested, so maybe I'll find it while I'm doing that.

 

[messaggera]

Found this post in the men's forum related and interesting; thank you poster for compiling:

First episode of brand new podcast 'According to Tradition', a collaboration between Fr Mikhail from Living Orthodox channel and Subdeacon Nektarios, editor at Orthodox Ethos, taking on the subject of Ecumenism and false unions:



They start out discussing the controversial figure "Sister Vassa" and her recent intimate meeting with Pope Francis:

The Public Ecumenist: Vassa Larin & The Subverting of Holy Orthodoxy

By Subdeacon Nektarios, M.A. On April 26th, 2023, in Rome, the self-professed monastic, Dr Vassa Larin, publicly known as "Sister Vassa" committed yet another brazen act of heretical ecumenism, this time, in as a high profile fashion as almost anyone could get and that is with the heresiarch...

www.orthodoxtraditionalist.com

In brief, from the first paragraph:



He recently followed up on that article with a summary and overview of the rumoured upcoming 'false union' of 2025 between Pope Francis and Patriarch Bartholomew, a year which marks the 1700th anniversary of the First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea:

The Impending False Union of 2025: The Heretical Plans of Patriarch Bartholomew

By Subdeacon Nektarios, M.A. In recent days, I reported on an event that scandalized the traditionalist Orthodox Christian world. In this unfortunate but very public act of heretical ecumenism, an Orthodox monastic during a brief public audience with the Pope of Rome, Francis Bergoglio, sought...

www.orthodoxtraditionalist.com

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It is also worth nothing, earlier today we had the coronation ceremony of King Charles III:

King Charles III’s Coronation, told in 34 remarkable pictures

How a day of pageantry and celebration unfolded as the King and Queen are crowned in a historic ceremony at Westminster Abbey

www.telegraph.co.uk

I only caught bits of it today as it was on a BBC livestream, but noted some of the ecumenical/progressive gestures. I will try to share some clips of this when i get chance. For now I will share this article i came across online where they discuss some of the modernisations of this coronation, though it was published a day before the coronation, all of the details were published online beforehand to preview:

How King Charles's coronation will reflect his desire to be defender of all faiths

The coronation is a Church of England service, expanded for the contemporary age.

theconversation.com

It's notable how the Greek Orthodox representatives were present at today's ceremony, in obedience to Patriarch Bartholomew no doubt, in wanting to participate in this grand gesture of ecumenism and inter-faith relations.

Also despite some rumours several months ago, he kept the title "Defender of the Faith" (singular), i.e. the Anglican faith, though they modernised many parts of it as described above, clearly to make other religious communities feel welcome, as Christian identity in the UK is at an all-time low:

Defender of all faiths? Coronation puts focus on King Charles’s beliefs

The crowning ceremony will be a deeply Christian affair. Will it be at odds with king’s desire to reflect UK’s religious diversity?

web.archive.org

Apparently it would be a complicated legal procedure to officially transition from "Defender of the Faith" to "the Faiths" (plural), but no doubt this has been implied today and it's only a matter of time until this tradition of defending "the Faith" slips away as the ecumenism escalates in the coming years. With less than 1% of the population actually attending Anglican church services, frankly I'm surprised there was an Anglican ceremony at all today.

Reporting an anecdote from someone I spoke to at Orthodox liturgy recently: he has some friends he visits occasionally who are Anglican, and he said everyone at today's Anglican services are elderly people, there are no young people at all, no children, no families, no babies. Just old people, living in a haze of nostalgia, by the sounds of it. I think much of today's coronation was like that, an attempt to resurrect the glory of our nation, but largely an external rite and merely symbolic, much like the King's role in this constitutional monarchy system we have in the UK. Is that better than no monarchy? I would say yes, but of course it's not ideal, it is what it is.

Let's hope the prophecies of a resurrected Russian monarchy come to pass and the world has a chance to bear witness to a truly Orthodox coronation ceremony where the grace of God would be well and truly present.

 

[Owlet]

I didn't see the service myself, but I am told that the Greek Archbishop wore only monastic clothing and not his epitrahelion, which would suggest he might have been uncomfortable in th role he was asked to play.

 

[Layla78]

I didn't see the service myself, but I am told that the Greek Archbishop wore only monastic clothing and not his epitrahelion, which would suggest he might have been uncomfortable in th role he was asked to play.

I watched some of it.

Basically the orthodox priest said a prayer to bless the king, then some woman representing a union of portestant churches, then a man representing another union of churches, then the Roman Catholic representative. They each did their own prayer in order.

They had MPs "representing the Hindu/Muslim/sikh/jewish communities" presenting Charles with bits of regalia like a ring etc so that is how they included them.

I watched it cause apparently there was fighting because Charles wanted to be called defender of the faiths and be super ecumenical but that defender of Faiths thing didn't happen. I guess I wanted to see how much heresy and blasphemy there would be in the ceremony because I would view that as a bad omen / event for the UK.

Apparently the Hindu prime minister did the bible reading. And the Anglican creed and the confession were omitted from the service.

I liked that the orthodox guy went first, the Handel, and that they did a Byzantine chant even if it's not my fave Handel or chant.