AnonymousBosch said:
As I said earlier, presenting facts and evidence against a strong religious belief do nothing.
If you feel empowered by the Manosphere's role in taking down Rubin-Erdely for promoting a false narrative based upon what she wanted to see, then if we presume all narratives will play out this way, we're just as guilty as she is.
AB, I don't think you read my post very carefully.
First, I don't feel "empowered" or "disempowered" by any of this. That lingo is completely meaningless to me.
Second, I brought up the UVa rape hoax case as an example where discovering and reporting the facts was not futile, and did not "do nothing". It resulted in that particular story collapsing, and in Rolling Stone retracting the article, among other things.
Third, I explicitly noted that I do NOT expect most other cases to play out that way. I expect us to lose more often than not. Here is what I wrote, note the bolded part in particular:
The Lizard of Oz said:
The conclusion is that the battle should always be joined, and the lies should be countered at all times and by all means available. Most of the specific cases may be lost, but you never know that ahead of time, and the one thing that guarantees a loss is not fighting back. And if nothing else, even when a case is lost there will be a few decent people who will see through the charade and get an inkling of what is going on; the more such converts we make, the stronger our cause becomes. But this only happens if someone makes the effort to expose the lies in public, each and every time, and never tires of it despite having few wins to show for it.
Patience and perseverance will eventually pay off, though it may take what seems like forever. This is not the time to stop fighting back in every way possible.
In other words, I believe it's worth fighting for each and every case,
even though most of the time we'll be unsuccessful.
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AnonymousBosch said:
This story? Who the hell really knows? Neither porn actors or actresses are reliable narrators. These are damaged people. She's nuts, sure, but most likely, he is too. His history of constant virtue signalling is a huge red flag for me. Given the savage darkening of porn in general, and the dehumanisation, degradation and loathing for both the male and female that seems to be have become the norm over the last ten years or so - buried under the excuse of being 'gonzo' - the idea of both actors and producers ignoring her safe word during a scene strikes me as a reasonable idea. Could be false, but could just as likely be true. It's for the police and courts to decide.
Now this is incomprehensible to me. It's the sort of thing I expect to read somewhere else, but not on this forum.
Let's be clear about what is being suggested here. This guy has fucked this woman literally hundreds if not thousands of times, both on film and otherwise. She was his frequent porn shoot partner, as well as his girlfriend.
So we are supposed the believe the following: a man has fucked a woman hundreds and hundreds of times, in every way imaginable. They are on a porn set, and he's fucking her. She says some
magic word (I can't bring myself to use that other cant term). And what we are supposed to believe is that if he does not immediately stop what he is doing the moment after she said the magic word, then he is guilty of "rape"; it's really no different than a stranger jumping on a woman from behind a bush, dragging her to the side, and having his way with her.
This is -- quite literally -- one of the most demented ideas that human beings have ever come up with in their long and rich history of insanity. I would hope that on this forum, at least, we don't need to give any time of day to this kind of Year Zero lunacy.
Again: this is NOT a matter of "he said, she said, who knows what really happened". The accusation is
absurd on its face, it is essentially meaningless. It asks us to take with a straight face the idea that a man who has fucked a woman countless times, and
is fucking her at the moment, can suddenly become a "rapist" if, while he's fucking her, she says a magic word and he doesn't act exactly as he is supposed to, according to her lights. The magic word, from one moment to the next, makes her holes sacred; a hole that was being pounded moments earlier is now magically rendered a no-go zone whose violation might as well be punishable by death.
If this is a concept that we are expected to take seriously -- even for a moment -- then Year Zero insanity has already won. If you tried to explain this crazy nonsense to a sane man or woman from, I don't know, 20 years ago, they wouldn't even be able to understand what the hell you were talking about.
This is the main point that is important to make in this case. It's not so much that the accusations are not believable -- it's that they are literally
absurd. The fact that they are being talked about with a straight face at all is a symptom of dangerous insanity. But we, at the very least, should not participate in this bizarre and sinister charade.
