Potential Chinese Invasion of Taiwan

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Would it be logical/possible that Russia/China would team up, when China invades Taiwan? Like both of them vs NATO essentially? Can someone elaborate on Russian/Chinese relations? That would be 2 true powerblocks and would give them both much more leeway to do whatever they want then when one is the scapegoat.

 

[greenwolf]

That is of course also not very helpful for peace in the region right in front of the nose of Xi.

 

[greenwolf]

Would it be logical/possible that Russia/China would team up, when China invades Taiwan? Like both of them vs NATO essentially? Can someone elaborate on Russian/Chinese relations? That would be 2 true powerblocks and would give them both much more leeway to do whatever they want then when one is the scapegoat.

Well, they have a difficult relationship especially during the communist area around Mongolia. But both are seen increasingly as pariahs, so they will band together out of necessity. But trust on both sides is low, rightfully so.

 

[Hombre de hielo]

If the West is not directly helping Ukraine, why would help Taiwan?

This can encourage China to try to recover the island.

 

[MartyMcFly]

If the West is not directly helping Ukraine, why would help Taiwan?

This can encourage China to try to recover the island.

You forget that actually Taiwan should be trying to recover the mainland. Remember the Republic of China was established before the CCP and actually the CCP is a rebel group.

I support Taiwan in this situation. However, the USA should stay out of any conflicts unless they are directly attacked first. Of course the USA can never resist getting its hands messy.

 

[Caduceus]

However, the USA should stay out of any conflicts unless they are directly attacked first.

The last time the USA was attacked first (on their own soil) by a foreign country was from the Japanese at Pearl Harbour in 1941.

 

[MartyMcFly]

China does not really "need" to take Taiwan right now nor any time soon. They can simply outwait Trump. With the path of degradation in the western world, I do not want to extrapolate a just 10 years from now on. If things move on as they have, Taiwan might voluntarily jump into Chinas arms, which would be the best outcome.

Taiwan would be better off staying independent and adapting the best elements of Japan, Singapore, and South Korea. The PRC actually has a lot more potential to be powerful but corruption (at all levels from top leaders to peasants) and the government's extreme need to control people with tons of red tape for everything has held it back in many ways. If China had followed Singapore's model starting in 1980, it would easily be the #1 superpower.

China has a lot of pride and they do a pretty good job presenting a model image to the world. Most tourists will be impressed if they visit. However, if you live there and visit some smaller 2nd tier or 3rd tier cities (small =4 million) and get out of the downtown districts, it gets quite depressing.

I didn't get to visit much of Taiwan. However, I did visit Taipei and it is MUCH MUCH better than Beijing. Beijing is the most tyrannical city I have visited (not the worst, but the most tyrannical). Beijing is fancier than Taipei but foreigners are banned from many hotels, you need to have bags scanned to get on the subway and visit Tiananmen Square, ID cards are checked to get into some stations and to visit museums. The government in Beijing is afraid of its own people.

Why should Taiwan people want to have a decreased quality of life by joining the PRC?

 

[Hypno]

The Chinese view Taiwan as part of China, like Lincoln viewed the Confederacy part of the Union. So its just a matter of time before they are reunited. The difference between Lincoln's Union and China is that China is willing to play the long game. Its been only since 1945 that they lost Formosa, so a few more years won't matter.

The Chinese and Russians are rivals in most spheres so they will not be involved. China covets the sparsely populated but resource-rich Russian East, including Siberia.

Will China invade Taiwan? In the short term, probably not. China has more to lose from sanctions, etc. It can get most of what it wants (theft of IP) through espionage and extortion.

In the short term, Uncle has made it clear to critical U.S. industries like semiconductors and telecom to pull out of Taiwan. Congress is subsidizign the construction of huge fabrication plants in the U.S. for chips.

If China does invade, then buy companies like Hertz that have huge fleets of automobiles with chips, because the chips for new cars will become even less available. A lot of the cars owned by companies like GM are sitting in lots outside their factories awaiting chips.

 

[Hombre de hielo]

You forget that actually Taiwan should be trying to recover the mainland. Remember the Republic of China was established before the CCP and actually the CCP is a rebel group.

I support Taiwan in this situation. However, the USA should stay out of any conflicts unless they are directly attacked first. Of course the USA can never resist getting its hands messy.

In the Chinese Revolution of 1949, the Communist victorians, stayed on the continent, already the capitalist defeated, went to the island.

The Chinese Communist Party is a dictatorial party, not a rebellious group!

China is only communist in theory. I would call China's controlled capitalism system!

 

[Don Quixote]

China announced about holding of naval exercises in the South China Sea from February 27 to March 1. Earlier, PRC officials said that “the time for Taiwan to return home” is approaching.

 

[Max Roscoe]

I posted a long answer to this in the Ukraine thread that you can read here:

The Russian-Ukrainian War of 2022 (News and battle updates only)

The problem I have is what does Putin do with the peace? How does he govern or remotely govern a huge country and stubborn population of millions that he just bombed and shot up..? That is also the issue I don't know the answer to. Unfortunately I dont think Putin had a choice with Ukraine...

www.rooshvforum.com

Basically, China does not want to necessarily "invade" Taiwan at all.
They don't want to kill Chinese, which would happen if they invaded.
China wants all Chinese people united.
Doing so by war/violence is a last resort.
But of course, the US is pushing them in that direction now.

There is nothing Russia can do to help Chinese and Taiwanese people re-unite. This has to be solved by the Chinese people in the two countries. Just as Korean unification will need to be solved by the Koreans. The US, in both cases, is being an obstacle to reunification.

If you look at the Ukraine situation, it's very similar in that the Slavic peoples there just wanted Slavic people to cooperate. After the Maidan coup, when a foreign puppet anti-Slavic government was installed in Ukraine, Russia tried for 6 years to make things work, but finally the US pushed them into a corner and when America threatened Russian security, they resorted to violence to re-unite the Slavs under pro-Slavic government. China is not (yet) being pushed into a corner like Russia was, so it is extremely unlikely they will resort to a forced takeover.

China could have forcefully taken over Taiwan during most of the past 70 years. Ability or inability to invade has essentially nothing to do with their plans for reuniting Taiwan. There are a handful of places like this around the world--Northern Ireland being a glaring example--a larger country could roll in tanks and take over the pseudo-state, but that would be detrimental to both sides so they don't do it.

Also, there is no reason to take over Taiwan if it means Taiwan's computer hardware production (ie "chips") is going to be offline for a considerable amount of time. Taiwan makes a lot more than chips though. Almost every computer motherboard is manufactured there, and they used to produce ALL lcd screens. It's way more than just chips.

There is not going to be any Taiwanese takeover that risks computer hardware production. China values the 20m Chinese people living in Taiwan, but it also really values Taiwanese industry as well.

 

[Max Roscoe]

Also, here is some clarification straight from the horse's mouth on the official US position vis-a-vis Taiwan. I don't blame those who are confused--the media has completely inverted the official position, but the US has always rejected Taiwanese independence:

U.S. Relations With Taiwan - United States Department of State

U.S.-Taiwan Relationship As a leading democracy and a technological powerhouse, Taiwan is a key U.S. partner in the Indo-Pacific. Though the United States does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, we have a robust unofficial relationship. The United States and Taiwan share similar values...

www.state.gov

The United States recognized the Government of the People’s Republic of China as the sole legal government of China, acknowledging the Chinese position that there is but one China and Taiwan is part of China.
The United States does not support Taiwan independence.

Forward this to your favorite libtard and watch them seethe.

 

[Caduceus]

 

[MartyMcFly]

The last time the USA was attacked first (on their own soil) by a foreign country was from the Japanese at Pearl Harbour in 1941.

Ron Paul said this was the last time the USA was justified in going to war. He is one of the few politicians that believes this and the rest are hypocrites and don't care about respecting national sovereignty. It is funny that the USA cares about helping other countries (even when they don't want us there) when it can't even protect its own borders.

 

[MartyMcFly]

Also, here is some clarification straight from the horse's mouth on the official US position vis-a-vis Taiwan. I don't blame those who are confused--the media has completely inverted the official position, but the US has always rejected Taiwanese independence:

U.S. Relations With Taiwan - United States Department of State

U.S.-Taiwan Relationship As a leading democracy and a technological powerhouse, Taiwan is a key U.S. partner in the Indo-Pacific. Though the United States does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, we have a robust unofficial relationship. The United States and Taiwan share similar values...

www.state.gov

Forward this to your favorite libtard and watch them seethe.

I know about this, but it doesn't make it right. It just shows the USA is a hypocrite and cares more about money than principles. Personally, I think the USA should have recognized both and have been willing to trade with both nations. If Taiwan and China got butthurt about this that is their business. China is a bully and wants to force their ideas on other countries and the USA and other nations need to get cajones and stop giving into them.

I also think long-term that if the USA recognized both nations that after complaining and a long boycott on US products, China would trade with the USA again because they also want to make money. They would still whine a lot but strong leaders would respectfully tell them to shut up.

 

[Caduceus]

 

[Caduceus]

Power outages in Taiwan's 2 biggest cities.

 

[Horus]

If, and it's a big if, China invades Taiwan, it will be really interesting to see if the media portrays the invasion in such a way that causes widespread hatred of Chinese people as a whole, as has happened to the Russians after their invasion of Ukraine. I wonder if Chinese scholars and sportsmen will be canceled, or if Chinese supermarkets still be defaced.

 

[Thomas More]

If, and it's a big if, China invades Taiwan, it will be really interesting to see if the media portrays the invasion in such a way that causes widespread hatred of Chinese people as a whole, as has happened to the Russians after their invasion of Ukraine. I wonder if Chinese scholars and sportsmen will be canceled, or if Chinese supermarkets still be defaced.

I think corporations all see China as too large a market. They'll be sucking up to China like the NBA, no matter what China does. It's a double standard compared with Russia, but the globohomos and the corporations specialize in double standards.

 

[Ember]

A Chinese TV presenter calls for the US to cut off all official contact with Taiwan, "so as not to cause serious damage to China-US relations and peace and stability in Taiwan."

On one of the Chinese TV correspondents said:

“The unification of China is an irresistible historical trend. The United States should immediately cease all official contact with Taiwan so as not to cause serious damage to China-US relations and peace and stability in Taiwan."