Pregnant teens in ISIS say JK!!! I want to come back home now mommy!

[WestIndianArchie]

I feel sympathy. They were 15 and 17 for god's sake. Do you think they had any idea what they would get themselves into? Sure running away with an exotic arab for a cock ride is a bad decision that should have consequences, but (in my opinion) they don't deserve a life of servitude and fear.

If they were boys, would you change your mind?

WIA

 

[TheSlayer]

I feel sympathy. They were 15 and 17 for god's sake. Do you think they had any idea what they would get themselves into? Sure running away with an exotic arab for a cock ride is a bad decision that should have consequences, but (in my opinion) they don't deserve a life of servitude and fear.

If they were boys, would you change your mind?

WIA

Not speaking for TC but in my personal opinion most of the people including forum members here would be telling boys that age to get lost or let them die there or give them prison sentences if they do come back home.

 

[J DOE]

I feel sympathy. They were 15 and 17 for god's sake. Do you think they had any idea what they would get themselves into? Sure running away with an exotic arab for a cock ride is a bad decision that should have consequences, but (in my opinion) they don't deserve a life of servitude and fear.

Joining an internationally known group of Jihadi terrorists is a bit different than simply going through a 'bad boy phase"

I remember quite a bit about when I was 15-17 and you couldn't have payed me to do what these dumb sluts did. There are plenty of women deserving of sympathy, but not these cunts. They deserve everything that happens to them.

If a young man joined this group who came from the same background that they did would you feel sympathy for him? Not one dollar of aid should be spent on these women. They grew up in the internet age, knowledge is only a click away.

 

[puckerman]

I won't judge these girls without fully knowing their situation. What kind of home life did they have? Maybe their mothers were riding the cock carousel and constantly fucking abusive men?

One thing I find interesting is that these girls definitely do NOT have German names. Names ending with -ovic usually have a ch sound at the end. These names are either Serbian or Croatian. So, they may already feel like outsiders in their home countries.

These girls would probably make quality wives, too. Now that has all been lost.

 

[L M McCoy]

I feel sympathy. They were 15 and 17 for god's sake. Do you think they had any idea what they would get themselves into? Sure running away with an exotic arab for a cock ride is a bad decision that should have consequences, but (in my opinion) they don't deserve a life of servitude and fear.

If they were boys, would you change your mind?

WIA

I would change my mind and I have no idea why

 

[Mike5055]

Actions have consequences. Sucks for them.

 

[monster]

I'm still not convinced they want to come back?

All I've seen as proof that they want to come back are a few news articles that say "Austrian media is reported the girls have sent a message to their family stating that they are homesick and want to return."

How do we know that is not propaganda in itself and the truth? If the girls did indeed send Facebook messages to their families, how do we know the girls sent them and it's not an orchestrated ploy by ISIS?

 

[lskdfjldsf]

You guys are forgetting one important factor here: propaganda (brainwashing)

We have all seen the consequences of effective propaganda and at the end of the day they're both 15 and 17.

During WW1 many draftees didn't want to fight and saw no reason to kill someone just because they're from another country. Think "if fate was different that could be my best friend." Now after WW1 the propaganda machine came and in by WW2 many of the younger generation embraced warfare and had no problem shooting at the opposite side.

My point in all of this is propaganda is a bitch and social media sites need to just ban everyone from the middle east Via IP address (except for Israel) until this whole thing blows over. They obviously won't because of revenue and "its not fair" that everyone should be banned.

I highly recommend reading this book: On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society
http://www.amazon.de/On-Killing-Psychological-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116

This has more to do with training than geopolitics. In Napoleonic/Civil War times, casualty rates were much lower and many men deliberately shot above the head. You would see massive lines of infantry firing at each other at point blank, but with few men getting hit. WW2 and Vietnam changed all this, when the word "kill" became ingrained during training. When I went through basic (2004) it was "shoot, move, communicate, kill", with "kill" said after just about everything. It's a way of reconditioning to become more lethal in combat.

What's worth noting in the ISIS conflict is their willingness to use knives and blunt objects, which are more "personal" methods of killing during war, leading to further psychological trauma. As illustrated in the book, the majority of soldiers have no problem shooting the enemy with rifles and grenades, but freeze up or have second thoughts when engaged in hand-to-hand.

 

[infowarrior1]

You guys are forgetting one important factor here: propaganda (brainwashing)

We have all seen the consequences of effective propaganda and at the end of the day they're both 15 and 17.

During WW1 many draftees didn't want to fight and saw no reason to kill someone just because they're from another country. Think "if fate was different that could be my best friend." Now after WW1 the propaganda machine came and in by WW2 many of the younger generation embraced warfare and had no problem shooting at the opposite side.

My point in all of this is propaganda is a bitch and social media sites need to just ban everyone from the middle east Via IP address (except for Israel) until this whole thing blows over. They obviously won't because of revenue and "its not fair" that everyone should be banned.

I highly recommend reading this book: On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society
http://www.amazon.de/On-Killing-Psychological-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116

This has more to do with training than geopolitics. In Napoleonic/Civil War times, casualty rates were much lower and many men deliberately shot above the head. You would see massive lines of infantry firing at each other at point blank, but with few men getting hit. WW2 and Vietnam changed all this, when the word "kill" became ingrained during training. When I went through basic (2004) it was "shoot, move, communicate, kill", with "kill" said after just about everything. It's a way of reconditioning to become more lethal in combat.

What's worth noting in the ISIS conflict is their willingness to use knives and blunt objects, which are more "personal" methods of killing during war, leading to further psychological trauma. As illustrated in the book, the majority of soldiers have no problem shooting the enemy with rifles and grenades, but freeze up or have second thoughts when engaged in hand-to-hand.

One wonders at the psychological effect of ancient warfare. And its impact on society at large since much of such warfare included up-close and personal hand-to-hand combat.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

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This has more to do with training than geopolitics. In Napoleonic/Civil War times, casualty rates were much lower and many men deliberately shot above the head. You would see massive lines of infantry firing at each other at point blank, but with few men getting hit. WW2 and Vietnam changed all this, when the word "kill" became ingrained during training. When I went through basic (2004) it was "shoot, move, communicate, kill", with "kill" said after just about everything. It's a way of reconditioning to become more lethal in combat.

What's worth noting in the ISIS conflict is their willingness to use knives and blunt objects, which are more "personal" methods of killing during war, leading to further psychological trauma. As illustrated in the book, the majority of soldiers have no problem shooting the enemy with rifles and grenades, but freeze up or have second thoughts when engaged in hand-to-hand.

WWII was still a far cry off from current warfare. There are countless stories of selfless heroism, where US pilots shot down German pilots over sea and then alerted US ships to save them from drowning - sometimes US soldiers were risking their lives to do that. And the GIs regarded this as common decency and the right thing to do - it was natural for them to do so.

The reasons for the lack of empathy right now are varied. Video Games were one of the more leading factors of "hardening" the youth and the future soldiers. As much as I like games myself I still am fully aware of the strong interest in the military in aiding the games industry. Hollywood did it's part too, but the shooter games were by far more effective to lower the killing threshold.

Nowadays pilots would not be rescuing shit - they might fly a next round and shoot them in the water to make sure they are dead. US and UK Soldiers in Afghanistan were routinely going on killing sprees where anyone - women, civilians - were fair game. Needless to say - this kind of behavior leaves even the young soldiers perpetrating it traumatized.

Now I am not advocating for Jihadists here, because they are a lot more fucked up, but still - we should be aware of the propaganda changing societies behaviors.

 

[AntiTrace]

Nowadays pilots would not be rescuing shit - they might fly a next round and shoot them in the water to make sure they are dead. US and UK Soldiers in Afghanistan were routinely going on killing sprees where anyone - women, civilians - were fair game. Needless to say - this kind of behavior leaves even the young soldiers perpetrating it traumatized.

Now I am not advocating for Jihadists here, because they are a lot more fucked up, but still - we should be aware of the propaganda changing societies behaviors.

I can tell you haven't been to war by the first quoted paragraph. I'll promise you that the aforementioned killing sprees were not going on "routinely" as you put it. There are atrocities in war, but they are called atrocities because they are on the extreme side of violence and are so few and far between that it still shocks people to learn of them.

Also, unless you've been put in a position where you had to risk your life to save someone who was attempting to take it from you in the first place, you can't possibly understand how difficult or just seemingly pointless that is. Also remember that the atrocities get publicized every single time, while the beautiful things that some soldiers do rarely get a prime time spot on the evening news.

Propaganda works both ways.

 

[Simeon_Strangelight]

I can tell you haven't been to war by the first quoted paragraph. I'll promise you that the aforementioned killing sprees were not going on "routinely" as you put it. ...

Granted - did military training in 2 different countries, but no real-life action on Iraq magnitude. And I experienced the psychological makeup of battle - essentially you fight for your buddy next to you. If he got hurt or shot dead, many guys would be doing a lot of shit to avenge him. Maybe those "sprees" were not close as common as it seems. And this is not belittling the current US soldiers - they are mostly honorable and brave men thrown into shitty conflicts created by the plutocracy who don't give a rat's ass about them.

Still I believe that perceptions especially of the enemy have changed. Even in the American Civil war most men did not fire at the enemy because they did not wish to hurt anyone. The same was true for WWI.

And on a different relevant note on ISIS:

A drone has supposedly caught an ISIS warrior raping a donkey - see how the poor bugger tries to escape the dick of the freedom fighter:



Don't know if true, but then it is clear why having 2 white human teenagers is such a treat to them. They won't let go of that pussy if they have donkey as alternative.

 

[turkishcandy]

They won't let go of that pussy if they have donkey as alternative.

In Islam women are not allowed to divorce their husbands anyway, only men can divorce.

 

[Foolsgo1d]

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This has more to do with training than geopolitics. In Napoleonic/Civil War times, casualty rates were much lower and many men deliberately shot above the head. You would see massive lines of infantry firing at each other at point blank, but with few men getting hit. WW2 and Vietnam changed all this, when the word "kill" became ingrained during training. When I went through basic (2004) it was "shoot, move, communicate, kill", with "kill" said after just about everything. It's a way of reconditioning to become more lethal in combat.

What's worth noting in the ISIS conflict is their willingness to use knives and blunt objects, which are more "personal" methods of killing during war, leading to further psychological trauma. As illustrated in the book, the majority of soldiers have no problem shooting the enemy with rifles and grenades, but freeze up or have second thoughts when engaged in hand-to-hand.

WWII was still a far cry off from current warfare. There are countless stories of selfless heroism, where US pilots shot down German pilots over sea and then alerted US ships to save them from drowning - sometimes US soldiers were risking their lives to do that. And the GIs regarded this as common decency and the right thing to do - it was natural for them to do so.

The reasons for the lack of empathy right now are varied. Video Games were one of the more leading factors of "hardening" the youth and the future soldiers. As much as I like games myself I still am fully aware of the strong interest in the military in aiding the games industry. Hollywood did it's part too, but the shooter games were by far more effective to lower the killing threshold.

Nowadays pilots would not be rescuing shit - they might fly a next round and shoot them in the water to make sure they are dead. US and UK Soldiers in Afghanistan were routinely going on killing sprees where anyone - women, civilians - were fair game. Needless to say - this kind of behavior leaves even the young soldiers perpetrating it traumatized.

Now I am not advocating for Jihadists here, because they are a lot more fucked up, but still - we should be aware of the propaganda changing societies behaviors.

I believe it was some general in the US marines who noticed behaviour in his troops in WW2.

There is a book or two about this very topic.

All soldiers are from civilian backgrounds, barring some types of people who join for the thrill of killing, most human beings are not capable of just being plonked in front of someone and willing to kill them with a weapon.

Military training changed to train this humanity out of soldiers and make them better killers. Something about bullets fired-to-kill ratios.

If a company is firing 1,000,000 rounds before getting a kill, the kill rate is low. This is perceived as an un-willingness to kill. When that figure is in favour of higher mortality rates inflicted on the enemy they perceive it as a good rate of success.

They changed training to include human targets. Psychology of suppressing the desire to hold off killing someone was suppressed and in a lot of cases, removed.

There are plenty of cases where men went off on killing sprees. That is a by-product of this type of training. You are made into a killer but there is no come-down from it. No reverse training.

Is it any wonder why so many soldiers these days go loco, kill themselves or dive into drink and drugs.

 

[AntiTrace]

Don't know if true, but then it is clear why having 2 white human teenagers is such a treat to them. They won't let go of that pussy if they have donkey as alternative.

It is 100% true. I was in an overwatch position observing a house that was going to get raided. Essentially, we were to watch and give the go signal when the time to hit it was right.

I watched, under night vision and thermal goggles, as the target tucked his kids in, kissed his wife good night, and then went outside and proceeded to fuck his donkey.

I'll give you one guess as to when I called up the "go" signal. Man, watching that goat-fucking freedom hating bastard trying to run away and pull up his pants as troops kicked in his front door and blew charges on his back gate had my rolling over in laughter, almost compromised my position...


I think it is more about dehumanizing your enemy than it is about being psychologically turned into a killer. Hence how I referred to that guy, a man, a father, a husband, brother, etc. I referred him simply as a "target". That is dehumanization of the enemy. That is what makes killing them easier, not shooting at paper human silhouettes at the target range.

 

[Rutting Elephant]

In Islam women are not allowed to divorce their husbands anyway, only men can divorce.

You'll have to decide between "Islam" and "strictly Shariah state" because in Indonesia I've seen many many examples of the Muslim wife dumping the husband.

 

[R Smoov]

When being rebellious goes wrong.

 

[kbell]

So we will probably go to ground war with them to retrieve them, and the girls will learn nothing from this experience.

 

[frogmallet]

So we will probably go to ground war with them to retrieve them, and the girls will learn nothing from this experience.

and I'm sure they will get their own reality show or something

 

[turkishcandy]

In Islam women are not allowed to divorce their husbands anyway, only men can divorce.

You'll have to decide between "Islam" and "strictly Shariah state" because in Indonesia I've seen many many examples of the Muslim wife dumping the husband.

Just because a wife is Muslim doesn't mean she lives by Islamic rules. Shariah is the application of Islam in state affairs. Indonesia might have modern laws and a somewhat secular state that allows women to get divorced, but when I say ''in Islam'' I mean Islamic rules and those rules don't allow women to get divorced. There is no such thing as light Islam and strict Islam. You either live by it or you don't, your choice.