Prenup

Thoughts about Prenup?

  • Will not get one if the girl doesn't want one

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MikeCF

Crow
Gold Member
Just don't get legally married.

If you want a family, give her the wedding ceremony. Let her dress up and take pics.

Just don't make in the marriage contract and have it on record that you're not legally married.

That won't work in common law marriage areas, obviously, but it's been done with success in other states.
 

Days of Broken Arrows

Crow
Gold Member
El_Superbeasto said:
Yes if I make more than her, no if she has more money than me. Wasn't an option in the poll.
Sorry, but that's not a good plan.

I hate to be the bringer of bad tidings here, but my ex-wife earned significantly more than me. When all was said and done, I was the one who lost out financially. This wasn't court-ordered. It was just the way things ended up and it would have cost me too much to fight it.

I ended up paying for a new roof under which I could not live when we separated. And my ex was actually pretty decent and reasonable. I'd hate to think of what unreasonable women do to men.

Here is a funny or sad epilogue depending on your point of view. To avoid a fight, I let my wife keep the equity in our old house. That let her pay off a condo, which I was good with because I didn't have to feel responsible if she hit the skids (her big salary led to overwork, which led to illness, which is a very typical story for women). We were on good terms. Then she got two cats. I'm allergic. So I got screwed again: I helped pay for a condo which I now cannot visit nor sleep over in case of an emergency (fire, snowstorm, surgery) which is a deal we had.

So, tell me. What was that you said about still wanting to get married if she made more than you?
 

Basil Ransom

Crow
Gold Member
There's a simpler reason the prenup if she makes more money thing doesn't work.

The only possibly compelling reason to get formally married is to have kids. If you have kids, odds are high she'll drop her high paying to work at home or for an easier low paying job. Personally, I wouldn't want the mother of my children to have a job outside the home anyway. Getting married with an eye towards hustling her for money just sounds like an extremely risky thing to do, unless you're Porfirio Rubirosa (who got rich off serially divorcing),

So now you've got no prenup and a wife that makes less money than you.
 

MikeCF

Crow
Gold Member
Days of Broken Arrows said:
Here is a funny or sad epilogue depending on your point of view. To avoid a fight, I let my wife keep the equity in our old house. That let her pay off a condo, which I was good with because I didn't have to feel responsible if she hit the skids (her big salary led to overwork, which led to illness, which is a very typical story for women). We were on good terms. Then she got two cats. I'm allergic. So I got screwed again: I helped pay for a condo which I now cannot visit nor sleep over in case of an emergency (fire, snowstorm, surgery) which is a deal we had.
You made the mistake men in divorces generally make.

You did the "right thing." You were fair and reasonable.

You can't expect a woman to appreciate that or ever return the favor.
 

eradicator

Peacock
Gold Member
I picked "i will never get married". But honestly, so long as you make her sign a pre nup well in advance of the marriage that says you will split all child care 50/50, and she get 0 alimony and 0 child support, I see nothing wrong with marrying her. How many women will actually agree to this?

The only reason for getting married now, if you are a man, that I can think of would be if you want children but don't want them out of wedlock.
 

Collide

Kingfisher
MikeCF said:
Just don't get legally married.
The only girls I really liked were from other countries so getting legally married does serve a purpose, it's just a shame that divorce is unfair for men.
 

Menace

Crow
Gold Member
master_thespian said:
I picked "i will never get married". But honestly, so long as you make her sign a pre nup well in advance of the marriage that says you will split all child care 50/50, and she get 0 alimony and 0 child support, I see nothing wrong with marrying her. How many women will actually agree to this?

The only reason for getting married now, if you are a man, that I can think of would be if you want children but don't want them out of wedlock.
Everyone has to understand that in the United States any term in a contract (like a prenup) that attempts to dictate child support terms is void or voidable. Child support is a statutory matter in each state that supersedes any terms you might agree to, so these terms are NOT enforceable.

Marriage is an absolutely insane thing to do, yes even for kids. If the girl is into you enough, she will want to have your children married or not.
 

username

Ostrich
Gold Member
If I have any assets, say $300k or more, and I was to get married then I would first look at moving the cash and assets into some kind of trust that would be protected from divorce. Also, it would never be with an American woman and most likely won't be on American soil. Just taking America (or any other western nation) out of the equation and your odds of doing fine post-divorce are significantly better.
 

Lucario

Woodpecker
Prenups can be overthrown by some white knighting judge....do not get married, prenup does not equal safe.

Now if you are Jason Statham....you are safe because his hot GF is richer than him.
 

Merenguero

Crow
Gold Member
Menace said:
master_thespian said:
I picked "i will never get married". But honestly, so long as you make her sign a pre nup well in advance of the marriage that says you will split all child care 50/50, and she get 0 alimony and 0 child support, I see nothing wrong with marrying her. How many women will actually agree to this?

The only reason for getting married now, if you are a man, that I can think of would be if you want children but don't want them out of wedlock.
Everyone has to understand that in the United States any term in a contract (like a prenup) that attempts to dictate child support terms is void or voidable. Child support is a statutory matter in each state that supersedes any terms you might agree to, so these terms are NOT enforceable.
Where I am, the two parties can agree to child support terms in a written agreement, but the Court still has to approve the terms of the agreement. The way this is done is through child support guidelines. The way the guidelines are run is that the father's income is listed, along with the mother's income, the amount of daycare expenses, and sometimes such expenses as extraordinary medical expense, and school expenses. You then run the amount for sole father custody, sole mother, or shared physical custody, whatever the case may be in order to come up with the support obligation. If the two parties agree to an amount which is above the guidelines, I'm sure any judge would approve the agreement. If the agreed-upon amount is under the guidelines amount, the Court often seeks that the payee (the person receiving the support) sign a statement of best interest, specifically stating that it is in the child's best interest that the non-custodial parent pay under the child support guidelines. A copy of the guidelines worksheet is always attached to any agreement which has a provision for child support.
 

Menace

Crow
Gold Member
Merenguero that's what I did according to the laws of our great state. Of course this works fine if both parties agree. However, what I'm talking about is the situation where things go to court and/or you have some 0 child support provision (or something that significantly deviates from the guidelines). You can't point to a pre-nup and tell the court: well we agreed to it so you can't do anything about it.
 

Merenguero

Crow
Gold Member
Menace said:
Merenguero that's what I did according to the laws of our great state. Of course this works fine if both parties agree. However, what I'm talking about is the situation where things go to court and/or you have some 0 child support provision (or something that significantly deviates from the guidelines). You can't point to a pre-nup and tell the court: well we agreed to it so you can't do anything about it.
I see what you are saying. The court has the power to order anything as long as the parties agree to it. Even if the parties agree to it, the court still needs to approve it. As I said before, if the parties agree to something below the guidelines or even to no child support, a statement of best interest is often required by the court. If the parties are not in agreement at the time of either the child support or divorce hearing, you cannot point to a provision in a pre-nup for zero child support or for support which is under the guidelines.
 

cobbler

Newbie
What's the best way to break it to your lover that you don't want to get married to protect your assets from her?
Common law marriage is recognised in this case, and prenups are not legally binding.

Quoting stats won't cut it - every woman out there will tell you she isn't like the average one.

The best I can think is to explain to her that if the relationship ever gets bad enough to consider ending it, not having assets to fall back on will motivate her to work harder on the relationship rather than walk away from it.
 

Deepdiver

Crow
Gold Member
In my younger days I did biz helping Concrete Finishing and asbestos abatement cos get funding and became an accidental wise guy... Connected was the term.

The thing with wise guys they rarely worry about divorce because of the rules... They get married because a loyal wife can not be forced to testify against her legally married husband.

If you cannot control the woman in your life how can you be put in charge of men.

They only type of wise guy divorce is one where one marriage partner goes out in a pine box...

We in the Red Pill world call this dread game but on steroids.

They best time to reveal your crimson red pill rules as in the color of blood is to simply ask in a quite moment when she is hinting about marriage...

"If I marry you is there ever a circumstance where you would think of filing for divorce?" ... Words are meaningless here it's how she answers.. If she has too look up to God in the high heavens and think about it... It means she is thinking about it ... Wrong answer...

In the west whether Italy or the USA if you are not sincerely able to put the literal fear of God into your woman and train her to your house rules and take her to the shooting range "to teach her how to protect herself and kids when you are not around" but she also sees your lethal skills... The right woman will love you more when she's sees you are the type of man who will do what a man has to do to protect and defend his family.

If you have to explain the real rules to her more than once she is the wrong one. If you are not willing to enforce the rules do not get married because prenups can be invalidated in part or whole by an SJW judge.


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I do not fancy the idea of official marriage very much, but since my girls is from a different country we might have to get married officialy. in which case I will absolutely have a prenup that is beneficial to me and will keep all control over my finances. my girl thank God, is herself in support of that idea. she believes my money is my money, her money is her money. if we acquire property together, it will be owed in shares according to how we pay for it. although I might just buy a home with my own money. still, even with the best prenup you cant avoid the dangers of marriage in many countries, such as having to pay off your spouses debts etc. If my girl were German like me, I would absolutely not marry her, we would just live together. so my advice - get married only if you really have to (if you cant be together otherwise) but dont do it if you can avoid it. dont marry your girl just because she wants a big wedding. in the end of the day you can always have a coomitment ceremony or smth like that. and if you get married make sure you sign a very beneficial prenup. if your woman disagrees than shes not worthy of you.
 
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