Preparedness During Civil Strife

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Plugging this website:
nononsenseselfdefense.com
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I'm sure the site and the advice offered there are great, but the line of text that name creates in a url is an aesthetic garbage fire. :oops:

I agree with some of the members that extended magazines are wonderful combat tools and horrible legal burdens. This is why the 5.7 (now available in an affordable Ruger) is the way of the future unless you have midget hands. 20+1 in a flush fit magazine. It worked in Fort Hood, and it can work for you too.
 

Kona

Crow
Gold Member
I got a Ruger LCR 357 and oh man there's holes in everything around here. I do have to remember that I can only shoot 5 individuals at a time, but man, this sucker is easy to hide. Have the folks at Ruger figured out how to put some type of sound killers in here? I don't feel like it's as poppy loud as it should be?

Aloha!
 

bmw633

Robin
I got a Ruger LCR 357 and oh man there's holes in everything around here. I do have to remember that I can only shoot 5 individuals at a time, but man, this sucker is easy to hide. Have the folks at Ruger figured out how to put some type of sound killers in here? I don't feel like it's as poppy loud as it should be?

Aloha!
You can use ball ammo and aim for a two-fer. Use the overpenetration to your advantage.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
I have a laser/flashlight combo on my G17, which is by my bedside in a drawer. I also have a Taurus Judge with 00 Buckshot, but my G17 would be first gun I would reach for.

If small pistols are important, I have a couple of WaLther P22 .22LR. I use

Women in the family should also have firearms training, too. Rural areas with a uniform ethnic population are easier to defend than a wide diversity of people's and faiths.

Another thought: women who are charged in shootings get very lenient sentences, as compared to a man.
Sure but if they are the only one's left. Then it's already lost.

Why do you think professional militaries are historically all Men?

Like Ancient Rome and Ancient Israel and Medieval Europe. In the Book of Numbers only Males from 20 years and older are conscripted for battle.

Men are better in combat generally and have higher potential. Men only units function best:

Women are also likewise more likely to have weapons taken away from them. And it ain't good if they have to confront threats in general without male escorts.

Women shouldn't be warriors if it can be done.
 

bmw633

Robin
Sure but if they are the only one's left. Then it's already lost.

Why do you think professional militaries are historically all Men?

Like Ancient Rome and Ancient Israel and Medieval Europe.

But they did not have guns in Ancient Rome, Israel or Europe.

Men are better in combat generally and have higher potential. Men only units function best:

I agree.

Women are also likewise more likely to have weapons taken away from them. And it ain't good if they have to confront threats in general without male escorts.

Women shouldn't be warriors if it can be done.
Not crazy about women cops, but in a home invasion or a Chipotle situation, having your wife and teen daughter trained to shoot may make a difference.

I am not planning to be in areas where shit is going down, but if a mob blocks a freeway I am traveling on, and has Garrett Foster with an AK47 pointing his rifle at my car, deadly force by each occupant in the car is justified.
 

infowarrior1

Hummingbird
Not crazy about women cops, but in a home invasion or a Chipotle situation, having your wife and teen daughter trained to shoot may make a difference.

I am not planning to be in areas where shit is going down, but if a mob blocks a freeway I am traveling on, and has Garrett Foster with an AK47 pointing his rifle at my car, deadly force by each occupant in the car is justified.
Not crazy about women cops, but in a home invasion or a Chipotle situation, having your wife and teen daughter trained to shoot may make a difference.

I am not planning to be in areas where shit is going down, but if a mob blocks a freeway I am traveling on, and has Garrett Foster with an AK47 pointing his rifle at my car, deadly force by each occupant in the car is justified.
I think that situation is a sad consequence of our atomized society. If armed men aren't there doing the guard duty to prevent such incursion.

Its a sad and necessary option when that situation arises.

I remember when I traveled to China to live there for a little bit as a Tourist. That there were Police Box for every block of the residential areas. So this situation is more unlikely.

Its like a sentry post or guard post.

Similarly Japan have those police boxes too:


“Omawari-san, ohayo gozaimasu! ” (Good morning, Mr. Policeman!) In Japan, children on their way to school can be seen cheerfully greeting police officers. These interactions take place at Koban, the Japanese police box. For the Japanese police, good ties with neighborhood residents and cooperation with the community are key elements of crime prevention. In that connection, the Koban system plays an important role.

Koban, which can be found in neighborhoods around the country, are effective as contact points between police and local residents. Here everyone can find a friendly officer on duty. Police officials who visit Japan from other countries are impressed with the role of Koban in supporting the high level of public safety. They note that everyday policing in Japan is built on a foundation of public trust through Koban.
Police officers at Koban respond to questions and requests from residents who visit them. When an incident occurs, officers from the nearest Koban rush to the scene and deal with the situation resolutely. They also work to prevent crimes by conducting patrols focusing on high-crime districts, sharing relevant information and offering pointers on crime prevention by distributing fliers and making routine visits to homes and workplaces. In addition, police officers support the crime-prevention efforts of local volunteer groups. Cooperation through these local initiatives helps keep neighborhoods safe.
 
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Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Well when it comes to freeways or streets being blocked, it's very rare that you turn a blind corner and run into a protest or a blockade. Most of these people like to be highly visible, and the victims are usually people who sort of slowed down a bit while thinking "duhhhh what's going onnnnnnnn" and before they knew it they were engaged by the mob.

The lesson is, the very second you see an obstruction in the distance you don't enter in to "oh this unpleasantness will be over in a few seconds if I keep going" mode. You don't enter into "but I'm late for my appointment and a detour will take forever" mode.

You hit the fucking brakes and even if you have to reverse in the emergency lane 'til you get to the next exit, you avoid the fucking lunatics at all costs.

A lot of people the world over have been killed or had their lives changed dramatically forever, because "duhhhh what's going onnnnnnnn, oh this unpleasantness will be over in a few seconds if I keep going and I'm late for my appointment and a detour will take forever".
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
Well when it comes to freeways or streets being blocked, it's very rare that you turn a blind corner and run into a protest or a blockade. Most of these people like to be highly visible, and the victims are usually people who sort of slowed down a bit while thinking "duhhhh what's going onnnnnnnn" and before they knew it they were engaged by the mob.

The lesson is, the very second you see an obstruction in the distance you don't enter in to "oh this unpleasantness will be over in a few seconds if I keep going" mode. You don't enter into "but I'm late for my appointment and a detour will take forever" mode.

You hit the fucking brakes and even if you have to reverse in the emergency lane 'til you get to the next exit, you avoid the fucking lunatics at all costs.

A lot of people the world over have been killed or had their lives changed dramatically forever, because "duhhhh what's going onnnnnnnn, oh this unpleasantness will be over in a few seconds if I keep going and I'm late for my appointment and a detour will take forever".
I was driving with my dad in NYC (through a working-class Hispanic neighborhood) one night back when the riots were really bad. We turned onto a street and it was literally being blockaded by thugs with their cars, and they were in the process of robbing a convenience store.

They looked at us to make sure we weren’t cops, and then a few of them looked at us like they were about to approach, while others walked to their cars (possibly to retrieve weapons).

We backed out of there in a hurry. Who knows what would have happened if someone had pulled up behind us and boxed us in.
 

Leonard D Neubache

Owl
Gold Member
Illegal/emergency driving maneuvers require a certain force of will since you spend 99.99% of your time on the road conditioning yourself to drive to the rules. You can see this sometimes during car chase footage where the felon will do things like use their indicators or move to the correct lane when making turns rather than taking the racing-line.

If you're in a spot where this sort of thing might happen then you need to be mentally prepared to flip the switch from law abiding citizen to road warrior immediately.

As per your example, Rob, what force of will would it take to reverse directly into the car behind you and plow it out of the way if that were your only escape route? But for 99 people out of 100 their conditioning will simply not allow them to even consider that as an option in the heat of the moment.
 

An0dyne

Robin
We've also got "go-bags" (Rubbermaid totes) at the house, and they have their instructions and specific duties in the event we need to bug out. The car can be loaded in less than two minutes, and those go-bags are also layered in such a way that if we can't drive, the truly important stuff is in backpacks and readily accessible once the lid is off.
May I ask what you have in the totes and backpacks?
 

jordypip23

Ostrich
Gold Member
I was driving with my dad in NYC (through a working-class Hispanic neighborhood) one night back when the riots were really bad. We turned onto a street and it was literally being blockaded by thugs with their cars, and they were in the process of robbing a convenience store.

They looked at us to make sure we weren’t cops, and then a few of them looked at us like they were about to approach, while others walked to their cars (possibly to retrieve weapons).

We backed out of there in a hurry. Who knows what would have happened if someone had pulled up behind us and boxed us in.
De Blasio's nephews. Giuliani era of NYC when there was some order in the city is a distant memory.
 

Handsome Creepy Eel

Owl
Gold Member
Offtopic, but didn't Bloomberg do a good job with the famous "stop and frisk" too? Seeing him tuck his tail and cuck about it was one of my biggest disappointments this election cycle.
 

Ironside

Robin
Illegal/emergency driving maneuvers require a certain force of will since you spend 99.99% of your time on the road conditioning yourself to drive to the rules. You can see this sometimes during car chase footage where the felon will do things like use their indicators or move to the correct lane when making turns rather than taking the racing-line.

If you're in a spot where this sort of thing might happen then you need to be mentally prepared to flip the switch from law abiding citizen to road warrior immediately.

As per your example, Rob, what force of will would it take to reverse directly into the car behind you and plow it out of the way if that were your only escape route? But for 99 people out of 100 their conditioning will simply not allow them to even consider that as an option in the heat of the moment.
Correct. I think the mental conditioning has been almost entirely retarded in the West - I mean, look at this:
Just...completely detached from reality.
 

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
Hi,

I know many of you happen to live in cities where you may encounter roadblocks full of "protestors"(paid agitators), as well as other dangerous encounters.

I would be interested in knowing what you are doing to be prepared if you inadvertedly find yourself confronted by a mob.
Get good commerical pepper spray (a bunch----6-10 bottles, because the shit is a one-and-done thing for the most part; do your research) , a good camping/hunting knife, and a handgun. A rifle and/or shotgun if you can afford it as well.

Practice and take courses as fast as you can in using them for self defense. At the very least, a pepper spray course, a knife defense course, and a handgun-self-defense course. Practice practice practice. Better to be an expert in only a few than have a bunch of useless tools you've only used once.

And have a place to bug out to. And have a serious plan to get there.

Given it's now August, if your neighborhood hasn't been touched by the BLM-Antifa riots, it likely won't be this summer. But I expect either next year or the year after (2022 is a federal election year) to have summer riots either at the same intensity or worse.

But if the Wuhan Flu rebounds hard this fall (as the Spanish Flu did ), or if the riots continue into the fall, or if food or money run short, it's likely all of the city neighborhoods will see BLM-Antifa riots. And likely some suburbs as well.

Remember: these fuckers are very well trained and prepared. Not the ones doing the rioting (they're idiots and looters), but the ones instigating the rioting and organizing the protests. This threatening unrest will continue in some form until election day 2020 ---and beyond when Trump wins.
 

bmw633

Robin
Well when it comes to freeways or streets being blocked, it's very rare that you turn a blind corner and run into a protest or a blockade. Most of these people like to be highly visible, and the victims are usually people who sort of slowed down a bit while thinking "duhhhh what's going onnnnnnnn" and before they knew it they were engaged by the mob.

The lesson is, the very second you see an obstruction in the distance you don't enter in to "oh this unpleasantness will be over in a few seconds if I keep going" mode. You don't enter into "but I'm late for my appointment and a detour will take forever" mode.

You hit the fucking brakes and even if you have to reverse in the emergency lane 'til you get to the next exit, you avoid the fucking lunatics at all costs.

A lot of people the world over have been killed or had their lives changed dramatically forever, because "duhhhh what's going onnnnnnnn, oh this unpleasantness will be over in a few seconds if I keep going and I'm late for my appointment and a detour will take forever".
That Black guy who hit two idiot women dressed in black with his white Jaguar 2am was another example of "damned if you do, damned if you don't.".

He should get off Scot-free because of his skin color.
 

Sam Malone

Ostrich
Gold Member
May I ask what you have in the totes and backpacks?
The totes are packed and loaded with a logic behind them, and everyone has a role.

My job is to get the guns, the rest of the ammo, and the cash out of the safe.

My daughter's job is to get the small cooler from the basement and pull a few things out of the fridge. Fruit, vegetables, cheese, water bottles, pepperoni, cold cuts, and/or other things depending on what's in the fridge at the time.

My son's instructions are to grab the three "go" containers and get them into the trunk. That is what he and he only is responsible for.

I have two Rubbermaid totes (one blue, one black) and an old blowmolded military case that I think used to hold some sort of computer (based on the Styrofoam style insert that used to be in it).

In the military case is incidental or extra stuff. Stuff that might be considered more of a luxury in a shit hits the fan scenario. Two twin air mattress, an air pump, D batteries, some canned goods, a small 6x8 camping tent, a few boxes of pasta, a few packages of beef jerky, a couple of packs of cigarettes (regular and menthol), matches, "heat in a can", lighters, shredded paper, light blankets, small travel pillows, toiletries, some bottled water.. more or less a "camping" bug out box. That's first to go in the trunk (under the rear deck in the "nose" of the trunk, and inaccessible once the Rubbermaid totes are loaded).

The two Rubbermaid totes have more of the same, save for the air mattresses.

But in those totes are also the pre-loaded backpacks, and each of those has a light blanket and changes of undergarments for each of us. And those undergarments are cross-packed, meaning that each backpack has a set for each person. My pack has a round of socks and underwear for myself, socks and underwear for my son, and socks and underwear and feminine hygiene for my daughter. My son's pack has the same setup, as does my daughter's.
The logic with that is that if for any reason we need to move strictly to backpacks, then in the event a pack gets lost or wet or stolen, that person isn't shit out of luck for undergarments (or tampons if my daughter's pack is the one that gets lost).

My pack is priority, my son's is second, daughter's is third.

Each backpack has a pack of each cigarettes, a lighter, matches, a pack of beef jerky, duct tape, a roll of toilet paper (with the core removed and the roll flattened), a hotel bar of soap, cheap sewing kit, and a dollar store first aid kit.

My pack also has ammo, batteries, vitamins, zinc, super glue (medical grade and regular), a collapsible baton, two screwdrivers, vise grips, $100 in cash, and an air pistol (one of the older ones without the red tip that looks real).

I'll note that each case or tote is heavy and can be carried by one person, but they are awkward and cumbersome, and would be left behind if we had to go by foot.

Anything that can be sealed in a vacuum bag, while making more space in the container (+), adds weight (-). So they're packed in such a way that the backpacks are on top and can come out almost instantly.
And while the air gun isn't necessarily expected to stop anyone intending on doing harm, it can be enough of a deterrent and/or buy us a few seconds to be in a slightly better position.

If I'm at the point where I need to flash a (bb) gun, just the sight of a pistol being brandished will make most people instantly react and duck for cover. Sure, they may realize four seconds later that it was an air pistol, but that four seconds can make the difference between someone swinging a baseball bat in my direction, or them deciding that I'm not worth chasing down (even though they realized after the fact that it was an airgun).

While I would feel bad if they set their sights on someone less prepared (or worse, someone that's "we're on your side"), if things progress to that level, my biggest concern at that point is myself and my children.
 

Sam Malone

Ostrich
Gold Member
^ Regarding the airgun, I should mention that I'm in NY, a state that the process for a handgun permit is full of hurdles.

My guns are long guns.

If I've planned correctly, I can get to my 'safe house' an hour away from the major city, without stopping for gas or any sort of supplies.

The air pistol is in the event that I absolutely have to go into a place that a long gun would draw attention.
 

bmw633

Robin
^ Regarding the airgun, I should mention that I'm in NY, a state that the process for a handgun permit is full of hurdles.

My guns are long guns.

If I've planned correctly, I can get to my 'safe house' an hour away from the major city, without stopping for gas or any sort of supplies.

The air pistol is in the event that I absolutely have to go into a place that a long gun would draw attention.
If you are stopped by a lawless mob, an air pistol may be seen as provocative, and may result in hot lead being sent in your direction.

If NY state has not outlawed automobiles, that may be a defense option, both as a weapon and as a means of escape.
 

Sam Malone

Ostrich
Gold Member
^ I absolutely understand your point, but the air gun is situational.

Lawless mob ? I'm finding shelter or clearing out entirely. Agreed, in that scenario an airgun would likely bring more trouble in that I'd be targeting myself.

One or two thugs walking around and following me with sticks, in a situation where the long gun isn't necessarily prudent ? A cold stare and my hand on the grip while I tell them to "make my day", and I won't have any problems.

The line in that post above is more for comedy. There's no 'catch all' scenarios for when and when not to pull out a bb gun.

For my use, it's a last resort at intimidation more than anything. And that's only out of necessity.

If I've done everything else right, stocked up on the necessary supplies, and I can get to my safe house with no stops, I shouldn't need to even strap the bb gun on.
 
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