Preparedness During Civil Strife

bmw633

Robin
^ I absolutely understand your point, but the air gun is situational.

Lawless mob ? I'm finding shelter or clearing out entirely. Agreed, in that scenario an airgun would likely bring more trouble in that I'd be targeting myself.

One or two thugs walking around and following me with sticks, in a situation where the long gun isn't necessarily prudent ? A cold stare and my hand on the grip while I tell them to "make my day", and I won't have any problems.

The line in that post above is more for comedy. There's no 'catch all' scenarios for when and when not to pull out a bb gun.

For my use, it's a last resort at intimidation more than anything. And that's only out of necessity.

If I've done everything else right, stocked up on the necessary supplies, and I can get to my safe house with no stops, I shouldn't need to even strap the bb gun on.
Another quote:. " A man has got to know his limitations."
 

Easy_C

Crow
Escalating without both the will and the capability to follow through is almost always a terrible idea and will only serve to agitate aggressors.

Some of you all are a little sheltered and don't actually understand what actual "badass" types are like. People like that carry themselves in such a way that you don't doubt that, if you crossed them and you killed them, they would have forgotten about the whole affair by the time they woke up next morning.
 
I will attempt to help with firearms selection. I did a series of firearms articles on RoK a few years back; I think they're still up.

A LCP is a poor choice for a primary pistol; it is a sock gun, a pocket gun, a thunderwear gun. The .380 is puny, the 5 shots or so is low, the sights are poor, and the barrel is short, making whatever zip the .380 had go mostly away. However, it is better than nothing. It is a pocket gun, which is sub-sub-compact. As you get bigger, to sub-compact, then compact, a pistol has better sights, more ammo, longer barrel, and can be typically shot better and faster. Full size pistols are where it's at. I recommend full size pistols for home and car guns, and compacts for carry. Smaller than that for backup guns only.

Taurus is a cheap brand. The Millenium, in particular, is a poor pistol with horrible trigger. You CAN send the pistol to Taurus for work. I have a PT-111 my Dad got used, and it is about our least favorite pistol. However, it is better than nothing. I do own Taurus; I do not own Lorcin, Jennings, or Hi Point.

My live in the truck gun is a Ruger SP-101 5 shot .357 revolver. In these troubled times, I often take a FNH FNP-45 with me, which is about the only production pistol I know of that can take 15 rounds of .45 ACP. Any more than that, I am going for the rifles.
 
I will attempt to help with firearms selection. I did a series of firearms articles on RoK a few years back; I think they're still up.

A LCP is a poor choice for a primary pistol; it is a sock gun, a pocket gun, a thunderwear gun. The .380 is puny, the 5 shots or so is low, the sights are poor, and the barrel is short, making whatever zip the .380 had go mostly away. However, it is better than nothing. It is a pocket gun, which is sub-sub-compact. As you get bigger, to sub-compact, then compact, a pistol has better sights, more ammo, longer barrel, and can be typically shot better and faster. Full size pistols are where it's at. I recommend full size pistols for home and car guns, and compacts for carry. Smaller than that for backup guns only.
It's been close to 100 degrees for the last week where I am. What type of pistol would your recommend besides a snubby? 10 years ago I was in board shorts and a tshirt every day in this weather. I started with a subcompact 9mm (the Taurus you mentioned), I transitioned to a snubby because it is more practical in summer months based on how I dress. I've also experienced corrosion due to sweat and daily wear in semi auto pistols. I'm not enough of a gunsmith to know the long term effects but after one winter it was interesting to see the changes to striker gun's internal parts finish.

It's interesting you keep a higher capacity weapon on you, and a revolver in the car. I do the opposite (revolver for CC and a 9mm single stack with strobe in the car). I really need to get to a full size like you mentioned to be effective beyond 7yds.

edit: most pocket .38 Specials (not .380 but I suppose "identical" in baseline ballistically) are also chambered in .357 nowadays for what its worth. I'd still pack .38 SPL +P for recoil purposes (that's snappy enough).

Also: For the "civil strife concept" that BMW started this thread for, I understand the need for higher capacity. The vast majority of non urban dwellers keep those in our totes or elsewhere. TBH I'm still enjoying enough freedom where I don't have to carry a Beretta 92FS with both spare mags on me at this point
 
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Johnny Rico

Woodpecker
Not crazy about women cops, but in a home invasion or a Chipotle situation, having your wife and teen daughter trained to shoot may make a difference.

I am not planning to be in areas where shit is going down, but if a mob blocks a freeway I am traveling on, and has Garrett Foster with an AK47 pointing his rifle at my car, deadly force by each occupant in the car is justified.
Not in Clown World it isn't. You will go to prison for the rest of your life if you are white and defend yourself against a BLM terrorist, whether they are black or white.

As for pepper spray... you need to sack up and have someone blast you in the face with it if you're going to carry it. Every Law Enforcement agency out there requires cops to do this because you're going to get a dose of it too. I sprayed it in my face when I was 10 and preparing to go to a wedding... I thought it was my dad's cologne :squintlol:.

We were late for the wedding.
 

R.G.Camara

Woodpecker
Escalating without both the will and the capability to follow through is almost always a terrible idea and will only serve to agitate aggressors.

Some of you all are a little sheltered and don't actually understand what actual "badass" types are like. People like that carry themselves in such a way that you don't doubt that, if you crossed them and you killed them, they would have forgotten about the whole affair by the time they woke up next morning.
Hard agree.

This is why flight is always your best option---99% of women and 80-90% of men are simply not able to mount any viable form of fighting, whether physical, with melee weapons, or with guns. And then you add in how much movies/TV have influenced people with terrible ideas about how physical fights work. Seriously, its like a population of fat 12 year olds who just watched Kickboxer and think they're Jean-Claude Van Damme.

I have no illusions about myself; I am not tough or a billy bad ass or physically imposing to most men. Any self-defense actions I would take would solely be to open a gap to run. Pull out the pepper spray, blind, and run, or pull out the gun, wave it to back them off and scare them, and then get away. You should all follow suit.

This is also why a bug out location is something we should all invest in and plan to get to.
 

Orson

Kingfisher
I expect TSTHF on or after November 3rd, especially in the hotly contested states and CommieCrat cities. Arson and riots are the minimum. Pro-fa and BLM Marxists have been prepping their war zones. Plan accordingly.
 

Foolsgo1d

Peacock
Being in the UK I have to be on the down low a lot more than the US posters. I live away from towns and cities so if bad stuff happens near me then it will be extremely bad nationwide.

Who knows what will happen but I know the police being the cowards they are will not protect me and the military couldn't possibly guard even 10% of the UK urban areas.
 

asdf

Sparrow
pocket pistols are very effective to stop an average aggressor under 10 yards. Their most effective feature is that you most likely will actually have a pocket pistol during that random encounter while your subcompact 9mm is a home because it was uncomfortable to sit, move, and work while concealed. Look into 38 snub guns, .380, even 32 and 25 acp mouse guns. Lucky gunner on youtube has lots of good videos.
 

bmw633

Robin
pocket pistols are very effective to stop an average aggressor under 10 yards. Their most effective feature is that you most likely will actually have a pocket pistol during that random encounter while your subcompact 9mm is a home because it was uncomfortable to sit, move, and work while concealed. Look into 38 snub guns, .380, even 32 and 25 acp mouse guns. Lucky gunner on youtube has lots of good videos.
A .22LR pistol in your hand is better than a 45 ACP left at home.
 
pocket pistols are very effective to stop an average aggressor under 10 yards. Their most effective feature is that you most likely will actually have a pocket pistol during that random encounter while your subcompact 9mm is a home because it was uncomfortable to sit, move, and work while concealed. Look into 38 snub guns, .380, even 32 and 25 acp mouse guns. Lucky gunner on youtube has lots of good videos.
I had a first gen Ruger LCP a few years ago, but I regrettably sold it not long after buying it because I couldn't comfortably shoot it with my XL size hands. I've been curious about their LCP II and some of the offerings from competitors as well and have become a far more competent pistol shooter in the years since. I daily carry a subcompact now, but there are still times when I leave it at home or in the car (in relatively secure locations only.) I'd rather have a mouse gun than no gun, especially these days.
 

bmw633

Robin
I had a first gen Ruger LCP a few years ago, but I regrettably sold it not long after buying it because I couldn't comfortably shoot it with my XL size hands. I've been curious about their LCP II and some of the offerings from competitors as well and have become a far more competent pistol shooter in the years since. I daily carry a subcompact now, but there are still times when I leave it at home or in the car (in relatively secure locations only.) I'd rather have a mouse gun than no gun, especially these days.
My LCP is not easy for me to shoot, either. The trigger breaks very late in the pull. My son in law tried shooting it, and he also had to squeeze the trigger beyond what usually will make other guns fire.

I also have a couple of Walter P22's and like shooting them. If I carried them, I would load some CCI Mini-Mag bullets or Stingers. Very easy to shoot, 10+1 capacity.

Folks may argue, but more people are killed with .22LR bullets than any other caliber. Proper shot placement is key.

For people who live in socialist states, air guns may be a compromise.
 
My comment before about what to carry with boardshorts went unanswered, but I actually have a NAA Black Widow 22WMR 5 shot. By this point I feel like John Wick with all the gun choices..."Something for the beach sir? Should you chance upon some joggers?" Its lack of trigger guard helps its stealth and the cylinder has recesses between the bullets for a nice safety rest. I feel totally secure carrying it. Totally safe? Well like BMW said:
A .22LR pistol in your hand is better than a 45 ACP left at home.
In all seriousness one thing that hasn't been discussed concerning civil strife is PPE. I posted about my Miller LPR-100 respirator in the Coronavirus thread and remembered that I actually would really like to test it with tear gas or other irritant. It's got P100 filters with charcoal and is designed for welding.

The reason I'm recommending it is for 3 reasons:
  1. It's cheap. $35 dollars, carrying case is about $20. (replacement P100 filters are $15 a pair however)
  2. Small - it fits under a weld hood. That would make it very low profile in a crowd. In the case (holding a spare set of filters as well) the whole package is about 6"x 5"x 4". The case zips closed and has a belt loop on it. They are very pack-able on a backpack or in a glovebox.
  3. Good quality - Its got replaceable filters, good quality rubber on the seal, and wide straps with rubber traction pads.
I have the good luck to have a half black half red bandanna. These items are in my backpack these days (I usually would take public transpo into a city) and should I happen across any dicey situation I can don the mask wrap the bandanna around it, and essentially go "grey" in the crowd. It's dicey because I still have a pistol (and am unsure how the respirator influences the projection/intent you give).

The thread really is about beefing up your everyday situational awareness and anticipation of potentially life threatening situations. The police won't do you any favors if you are caught in a protest they are pushing your way. The best way to avoid conflict may be to don the respirator and some cheap swim goggles, blend in with the crowd, and get the hell out.
Miller Lpr-100 S/m Ml00894
Speedo Recreation Hydrospex Classic Swim Swimming Goggles - Smoke Ice - One Size, Adult Unisex, Clear
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