Public vs Parochial vs Home Schooling

[homersheineken]

What are you thoughts on each?

Public

• We pay taxes for it
• The masses attend it, so any kind of culture shift will need to include the public schools

Parochial

• God is center piece of education
• Score much higher than public schools

Home

• Focus is on God/whatever you choose to be
• Time intensive

These are just some points I had and was looking for other considerations to add.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Parochial sounds interesting - since children aren't that sheltered then but comingle with others to form a group - and eventually that group will give strength in the real world. Is there true parochial education still in the US, as in the church provides complete education?

 

[Douglas Quaid]

I hang out around many conservative Christians and many of their kids are home schooled. They have by far the most normal, balanced and least brainwashed children.

Home schooling is without a doubt the best way to educate your children and the way to go if you can work it out financially. Having a wife that's willing to do this would be a blessing for any man wanting a family. They can still see other kids at sports, church activities, etc.

Private Christian schools would have to be a close second. But they need to be vetted for no left-wing nonsense you see at public schools.

 

[Wutang]

Based on what I've seen of people who had gone to Catholic schools it doesn't seem to be effective in instilling Christian faith in it's students. My sample size is smaller for those who went to private Protestant evangelical schools but in those cases it seems like the rate of passing on the faith has been higher.

Even then I'm not sure it's really the schooling that did a lot of the work in nurturing the faith of the students. With the people I met who went to Catholic schools I think in a lot of cases the family was mostly culturally Catholic while with the evangelicals they actually came from families that actually tried to live the faith. What that tells me is that schooling seems to have little effect on a growing child's spiritual inclinations while the parents are everything.

From what I hear in some European countries a lot of schools still are Christian associated and it's still a thing in super secular countries like the UK or Austria or Holland for people to get a religious education in schools. Those countries are still way more secular then the US where the vast majority of people go to schools where there isn't the same religious influence so that's a other data point for how religious schools aren't that effective in propagating the faith.

 

[Viktor Zeegelaar]

Based on what I've seen of people who had gone to Catholic schools it doesn't seem to be effective in instilling Christian faith in it's students. My sample size is smaller for those who went to private Protestant evangelical schools but in those cases it seems like the rate of passing on the faith has been higher.

Even then I'm not sure it's really the schooling that did a lot of the work in nurturing the faith of the students. With the people I met who went to Catholic schools I think in a lot of cases the family was mostly culturally Catholic while with the evangelicals they actually came from families that actually tried to live the faith. What that tells me is that schooling seems to have little effect on a growing child's spiritual inclinations while the parents are everything.

From what I hear in some European countries a lot of schools still are Christian associated and it's still a thing in super secular countries like the UK or Austria or Holland for people to get a religious education in schools. Those countries are still way more secular then the US where the vast majority of people go to schools where there isn't the same religious influence so that's a other data point for how religious schools aren't that effective in propagating the faith.

Hmm with regards to your last paragraph, I can say that in Holland it's mainly in name only. We've got a long institutional Christian history so many schools are officially Christian, and football clubs and so on. Some uni's too. But besides a small Bible belt, it doesn't mean anything. I went to an official Roman Catholic elementary and high school. Yet besides celebrating Christmas that was it. As secular as can be. In fact and this is quite interesting, I'd say that the US probably is way more Christian in its DNA as in many people at least have some Christian orientation still, you'll hear God bless quite a lot, people will often know some basic Bible knowledge like certain stories or names. In Western EU this is almost non existent: God is nowhere in public life, besides as said small conservative areas. But you'll never ever hear a God bless on the television, or get any Bible knowledge from the culture etc. In fact it'd be pretty hard to even have someone with a nominal Christian faith in your direct environment, whereas in the US that would be more prevalent I'd guess.

 

[Wutang]

The difference between how religion is supported by the state in both Western Europe and the US and it's effects on the religiosity of each respective culture is pretty interesting. I've known for a long time that the Nordic countries are the most secular in the West so I was quite surprised when I started learning about how much state support Christianity has or at least had until the 21st century in those nations. These nations tax their citizens to support their national churches, priests are government employees, their flags have crosses on them that are specifically supposed to be a Christian cross as opposed to a generic cross. None of that would be ever allowed on a federal level in the United States due to the Constitution. Despite all that Christianity is much bigger part of the cultural fabric then in those countries with state Christianity. What I see from this is that the spiritual solution that we are looking for has to be cultural rather than political.

 

[SBS_NZ]

A lot of schools claiming to be Catholic do nothing more than a weekly hymn session and admit non-believers to make up the numbers.

Home schooling is the best way, the kids are not only much more grounded in faith, but also know a lot more academically speaking.

 

[TrainedLogosmotion]

Mentally ill white female feminist 'teachers' in public/parochial schools always find a way to make themselves the main character:



Of course she goes wild with the pagan native American stuff...because pachamama & earth mother & gaia goddesses & bla bla bla...I bet she loves boxed wine and yoga too.

At home, our wives can hopefully show our children what saintly Christian female martyrs were like and/or sing mystical hymns with them, like this one, "Rejoice, O Bethany":

 

[Cognitive Dissonance 73]

I believe home-schooling is always the best. If your home state allows home-schooling - take advantage of that.
Even On an objective scale, nowadays , the most prestigious universities ( a good example being Stanford University in California) are acknowledging, they prefer home-schooled candidates - since such young people take responsibility for their own education, amongst other qualities.

 

[cosine]

I believe home-schooling is always the best. If your home state allows home-schooling - take advantage of that.
Even On an objective scale, nowadays , the most prestigious universities ( a good example being Stanford University in California) are acknowledging, they prefer home-schooled candidates - since such young people take responsibility for their own education, amongst other qualities.

I just looked that up, had no idea Stanford had a guide to homeschooling.

I've met great adults that were homeschooled. Or homeschooled early and then attended public middle school and public high school. I do wonder about kids being undersocialized, but then there's also the obvious tradeoff of "who" they socialize with. Tough choices.

 

[Cognitive Dissonance 73]

I just looked that up, had no idea Stanford had a guide to homeschooling.

I've met great adults that were homeschooled. Or homeschooled early and then attended public middle school and public high school. I do wonder about kids being undersocialized, but then there's also the obvious tradeoff of "who" they socialize with. Tough choices.

"Undersocialized" is a myth. Schools are not the only places children can learn social skills. They can socialize with kids their can carefully vet. AS you point out, the parent's power over who their children socialize with is an obvious improvement compared to children who are not homeschooled.

 

[cosine]

"Undersocialized" is a myth. Schools are not the only places children can learn social skills. They can socialize with kids their can carefully vet. AS you point out, the parent's power over who their children socialize with is an obvious improvement compared to children who are not homeschooled.

True that children can and do socialize outside of school, and you can raise great kids in other environments.

But if you think undersocialization is a myth then it sounds like you haven't been around middle schoolers coming out of covid lockdowns.

 

[Cognitive Dissonance 73]

True that children can and do socialize outside of school, and you can raise great kids in other environments.

But if you think undersocialization is a myth then it sounds like you haven't been around middle schoolers coming out of covid lockdowns.

No, I was merely referring to people who think children can only "socialize" in a school environment why reality shows it is not the case.
Home-schooled children's tend to be the most confident and sociable.