Putin Looks to Make Equating Stalin, USSR to Hitler and " Nazi" Germany, Illegal

Goni

Woodpecker

Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, instructed the bill to be introduced after a meeting of the Presidential Council for Culture and Arts in October. Opponents of the legislation have criticized it for infringing on free speech. However, the bill's backers argue it's not about cracking down on what people say but about recognizing Russia's contribution to Hitler's downfall.

"The Soviet army is a liberator, and therefore a benefactor of Europe," Elena Yampolskaya, the chair of the Committee on Culture, said in a statement. "It is possible and necessary to discuss any specific situations, facts, documents. Just not forgetting that the Soviet Union, the Russian people fought the main struggle against the universal evil of Nazism."


Russia's involvement in World War II is a complicated story that puts the country on both the Axis and Allied sides. For nearly two years, Russia collaborated with Germany as both forces moved through Eastern Europe, bringing with them death, destruction, brutal occupation, and the shipping of people away to forced labor and concentration camps.


However, after Germany invaded Russia in 1941, the Nazi regime became an enemy of Russia as its army joined the fight against Hitler. Russia's winter and the army's relentlessness during the Battle of Stalingrad delivered a heavy blow to Hitler's forces and is considered by many historians to be a major turning point in the war in favor of the Allied forces.


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With Russian President Vladimir Putin's support, legislators introduced a bill banning people from comparing Soviet Union's actions during World War II to those of Nazi Germany's.
The Soviet army was also responsible for liberating Warsaw, Krakow and Auschwitz, the most infamous Nazi concentration camp where more than a million people were killed.

While Russia helped bring release to those suffering in concentration camps at the hands of the Nazis, its leader Stalin is considered one of the most ruthless figures in history. He created the Gulag, a forced labor camp system that imprisoned about 18 million people and subjected them to brutal conditions. After the war, he claimed swaths of Europe for his own and lowered an "iron curtain" down, blocking East Berlin off from the world and starting the Cold War.


Putin has been trying to crack down on criticism of Russia's actions during World War II for years. In 2014, he signed a law that made distorting the Soviet Union's role a criminal offense punishable by up to five years in prison.


"It is our duty to defend the truth about the victory; otherwise what shall we say to our children if a lie, like a disease, spreads all over the world?" Putin said in a speech in January 2020. "We must set facts against outrageous lies and attempts to distort history ... This work is our duty as a winning country and our responsibility to the future generations."
 

Gremlin

Robin
It should be illegal. It's debatable how many deaths Hitler was responsible for, but it was far, FAR fewer than the hundreds of millions of deaths the Soviet Union, and by extension communism caused, including the 60 million innocent Russian farmers and peasants murdered by the Bolsheviks.

This is the truth that needs to be said, but has been oppressed by history books and Hollyjew. Wherever leftism goes, mountains of corpses and misery follow.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
It should be illegal. It's debatable how many deaths Hitler was responsible for, but it was far, FAR fewer than the hundreds of millions of deaths the Soviet Union, and by extension communism caused, including the 60 million innocent Russian farmers and peasants murdered by the Bolsheviks.

This is the truth that needs to be said, but has been oppressed by history books and Hollyjew. Wherever leftism goes, mountains of corpses and misery follow.
You are more than right my friend, but it seems you have not read the article.

Putin is doing the opposite of what you said.

He is defending Stalin and Soviet Union during his time and making it illegal to compare it to Hitler and so called " Nazi" Germany as a defence to Stalin.
 

Gremlin

Robin
You are more than right my friend, but it seems you have not read the article.

Putin is doing the opposite of what you said.

He is defending Stalin and Soviet Union during his time and making it illegal to compare it to Hitler and so called " Nazi" Germany as a defence to Stalin.
Trust me, I know. The commie reveals itself in the White/Asian Eurasian blood.
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
Anti-communists like me are not prepared to believe that a communist state can "liberate" anything.
On the other hand, it is quite true that there is a distortion of the Soviet Union's role going on.
Objectively, the Soviet Union has been an unacknowledged ally of the US, doing the hard and dirty work of fighting the Wehrmacht on the ground and defeating it (not to mention the famous quote "We lost our best salesman" at Stalin's death by Henry Luce). But as soon as Nazi Germany was no longer a threat, the US propaganda machine switched gears and started remembering all the evils of communism which up to then it had been more convenient to ignore.

The current academic consensus ("Nazism" and "communism" equally bad, equally totalitarian) is simply self-serving American ideology making the US Empire look bearable by comparison/elimination.
 
Comunism and fascism were not the same, but both were evil. Both represent the darkest side of human being.
I know- some here still have sympathy to Putin.
It is a highly criminal regime, complete scam, cheap theatre for uneducated,poor people.
They don't care about true values. They don't have any morals. Their only goal is to keep the power, whatever it takes. They now are making new laws that are labeling any opposition as extremists and "foreign agents" and doing many other things to totally eliminate any political opponents. Putin knows that many million poor, uneducated russian people still have nostalgia about Soviet Union and Stalin (georgian criminal). That's the only reason why they are making this up. Putins regime goes similar direction as China's. Totalitarian rule by one party.
 
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The Penitent Man

Woodpecker
Comunism and fascism were not the same, but both were evil. Both represent the darkest side of human being.
I know- some here still have sympathy to Putin.
It is a highly criminal regime, complete scam, cheap theatre for uneducated,poor people.
They don't care about true values. They don't have any morals. Their only goal is to keep the power, whatever it takes. They now are making new laws that are labeling any opposition as extremists and "foreign agents" and doing many other things to totally eliminate any political opponents. Putin knows that many million poor, uneducated russian people still have nostalgia about Soviet Union and Stalin (georgian criminal). That's the only reason why they are making this up. Putins regime goes similar direction as China's. Totalitarian rule by one party.
Sounds familiar.
 
Sounds familiar.
I know. Old political elites want their "private power club" to continue, in many countries. Liberals in Europe, democrat/republican swamp in USA, Putins gang in Russia...
But you still have a bit more chances. You still have two parties. And you have Florida and De Santis - the best politician in western world at the moment. Nobody is perfect, but who is better than him now?
 

The Penitent Man

Woodpecker
I know. Old political elites want their "private power club" to continue, in many countries. Liberals in Europe, democrat/republican swamp in USA, Putins gang in Russia...
But you still have a bit more chances. You still have two parties. And you have Florida and De Santis - the best politician in western world at the moment. Nobody is perfect, but who is better than him now?
I don’t know. The older I get the more I realize decent men simply don’t seek out positions of power like that.
 

RexImperator

Crow
Gold Member
Not surprised at all because Putin has always taken the pro-Soviet line on WW2.

Related to this topic I was recently reading an article about Stalin’s motives at the beginning of the war:

In a speech to the Politburo on August 19, 1939, Stalin explained why he had finally opted for a pact with Germany:

The question of war or peace has entered a critical phase for us. If we conclude a mutual assistance pact with France and Great Britain, Germany will back off from Poland and seek a modus vivendi with the Western powers. War would be avoided, but down the road events could become dangerous for the USSR. If we accept Germany’s proposal and conclude a non-aggression pact with her, she will of course invade Poland, and the intervention of France and England in that would be unavoidable. Western Europe would be subjected to serious upheavals and disorder. In this case we will have a great opportunity to stay out of the conflict, and we could plan the opportune time for us to enter the war. …
Our choice is clear. We must accept the German proposal and, with a refusal, politely send the Anglo-French mission home. Our immediate advantage will be to take Poland to the gates of Warsaw, as well as Ukrainian Galicia …
For the realization of these plans it is essential that the war continue for as long as possible, and all forces, with which we are actively involved, should be directed toward this goal …
Therefore, our goal is that Germany should carry out the war as long as possible so that England and France grow weary and become exhausted to such a degree that they are no longer in a position to put down a Sovietized Germany.
Comrades! It is in the interest of the USSR—the workers’ homeland—that war breaks out between the Reich and the capitalist Anglo-French block. Everything should be done so that this drags out as long as possible with the goal of weakening both sides. For this reason, it is imperative that we agree to conclude the pact proposed by Germany, and then work in such a way that this war, once it is declared, will be prolonged maximally. We must strengthen our propaganda work in the belligerent countries, in order to be prepared when the war ends.
This speech was leaked to the French news agency Havas the same year. Stalin immediately denounced it as a fake in Pravda, which was exceptional on his part. Its authenticity has long been debated, but in 1994 Russian historians found an authoritative text of it in the Soviet archives, and the authenticity is now generally accepted. In any case, there are other sources confirming Stalin’s ploy so that there is no doubt...
 

The Resilient

Ostrich
Orthodox
For all the people that say Putin is "Based Russian Man that don't take no crap" need to correct their stances and say, he's a communist sympathizer and his "basedness" is rooted only in domination and pure control of his country. He's a puppet of the tribe just like Keeping an eye on it DJT was from 2016 as is Potato in chief currently. Heck, even i used to think that Putin was pretty based , until i looked more into his history, his stances, and his verbiage. Then i realized that all human empires and their rulers are susceptible to the tentacles of the tribes influence.

Keep your focus on Logos.
Be in the world ,and not of it.
 

Joe316

Robin
Russians always wonder why Germans don't trust them. This kind of Bolshevik nostalgia and false WW2 narrative is the reason. Putin was operating in Germany during the GDR regime. That's also the reason why I also don't trust the ROCOR and treat them as foreign agency.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
Comunism and fascism were not the same, but both were evil. Both represent the darkest side of human being.
I know- some here still have sympathy to Putin.
It is a highly criminal regime, complete scam, cheap theatre for uneducated,poor people.
They don't care about true values. They don't have any morals. Their only goal is to keep the power, whatever it takes. They now are making new laws that are labeling any opposition as extremists and "foreign agents" and doing many other things to totally eliminate any political opponents. Putin knows that many million poor, uneducated russian people still have nostalgia about Soviet Union and Stalin (georgian criminal). That's the only reason why they are making this up. Putins regime goes similar direction as China's. Totalitarian rule by one party.
The equalization between fascism or national socialism with communism ( or making fascism look evan worse) is a typical post WW2 liberal or neo liberal propaganda.

Fascism born in Italy caused less than 5% of the deaths that Bolsheviks and Stalin causes if not less. Since i know Balkans well, evan Albanians that defeated Italy in 1920 in Vlora War but were invaded again in 1939 by Mussolini , despite all the battles since 1942 and everything still remember and value the great developments brought into the country in just 3-4 years.

Evan Libya, where Mussolini played a harsh role and was responsible for ethnic cleaning and war crimes in 1930s ( " British " did worse in India btw) still remembers the developments Fascist regime brought there.

On the other hand, you need to differentiate between Fascism and National Socialism.

National socialism was also a revolutionary movement that came into life as a results of Germany being turned into a world brothel and the communist danger.

Here are some videos that give a brief explanation what NSDAP reprsented





This is the regime Putin states as the worst of all while defending Stalin.

Is national socialism the best ideology ever?

I would say no.

IMO, the " philosopher King " is the best form of govemenet ever.

But we are again on an imaginary ground as such men are rare and not the phenomena but rather the exception.

People and emperors such as Julius Cesar, Augustus, Marcus Aurelius, Aurelian, Constantine the Great, Justinian the Great , Anastasius , Frederick the Great , Louis IX, Skanderbeg, Mehmet Ali of Egypt, Saladin come to my mind.

I suppose your comment was mostly referring to the Putin regime?

Well compared to Yeltsin period is far better.

Also this " argument " about totalitarism is not worth it since the entire west is being ruled by a Jewish oligarchy which has been collapsing Europeans entirely the last 107 years.
 
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Goni

Woodpecker
For all the people that say Putin is "Based Russian Man that don't take no crap" need to correct their stances and say, he's a communist sympathizer and his "basedness" is rooted only in domination and pure control of his country. He's a puppet of the tribe just like Keeping an eye on it DJT was from 2016 as is Potato in chief currently. Heck, even i used to think that Putin was pretty based , until i looked more into his history, his stances, and his verbiage. Then i realized that all human empires and their rulers are susceptible to the tentacles of the tribes influence.

Keep your focus on Logos.
Be in the world ,and not of it.
Well I don't know if Putin is a man of the tribe and I sincerely hope he is not.

But criminalizing the comparison between Bolsheviks and Hitler is intense and highly illogical.

I don't know what Putin thinks of the Georgian Stalin that killed more than 50 million slavs and treated his fellow Russians as cattle?

Has he been informing the average Russian who were the people behind communist ideology and it's financial back up?

I have always criticised Putin how he never managed to make Russia a productive and industrial exporting country thus raising salaries and conditions of living.

Immorality in Russian females, HIV Aids rates are the highest in Europe and alcoholism is still very high.

He could have done so much in 20 years if he wanted to
 

Sitting Bull

Woodpecker
I have always criticised Putin how he never managed to make Russia a productive and industrial exporting country thus raising salaries and conditions of living.
(...)
He could have done so much in 20 years if he wanted to
Looks a little bit vague. What would you do exactly to achieve that goal if you were Putin and had 20 years ?
 

Goni

Woodpecker
Looks a little bit vague. What would you do exactly to achieve that goal if you were Putin and had 20 years ?
That is a huge topic Sitting Bull.

What I would have done is criminalised corruption up to death for example.

Arrest most oligarchs and make a deal with the others to force them to invest money on production.

Make a industrialisation plan like Japan did with 0 resources unlike Russia which has endlessly.

Make a well defined plan to fight immorality, alcoholism, HIV rates etc.
 
The equalization between fascism or national socialism with communism ( or making fascism look evan worse) is a typical post WW2 liberal or neo liberal propaganda.

Fascism born in Italy caused less than 5% of the deaths that Bolsheviks and Stalin causes if not less. Since i know Balkans well, evan Albanians that defeated Italy in 1920 in Vlora War but were invaded again in 1939 by Mussolini , despite all the battles since 1942 and everything still remember and value the great developments brought into the country in just 3-4 years.

Evan Libya, where Mussolini played a harsh role and was responsible for ethnic cleaning and war crimes in 1930s ( " British " did worse in India btw) still remembers the developments Fascist regime brought there.

On the other hand, you need to differentiate between Fascism and National Socialism.

National socialism was also a revolutionary movement that came into life as a results of Germany being turned into a world brothel and the communist danger.

Here are some videos that give a brief explanation what NSDAP reprsented





This is the regime Putin states as the worst of all while defending Stalin.

Is national socialism the best ideology ever?

I would say no.

IMO, the " philosopher King " is the best form of govemenet ever.

But we are again on an imaginary ground as such men are rare and not the phenomena but rather the exception.

People and emperors such as Julius Cesar, Augustus, Marcus Aurelius, Aurelian, Constantine the Great, Justinian the Great , Anastasius , Frederick the Great , Louis IX, Skanderbeg, Mehmet Ali of Egypt, Saladin come to my mind.

I suppose your comment was mostly referring to the Putin regime?

Well compared to Yeltsin period is far better.

Also this " argument " about totalitarism is not worth it since the entire west is being ruled by a Jewish oligarchy which has been collapsing Europeans entirely the last 107 years.
I would ask you a question - do you want to live in authoritarian/ totalitarian regime? Similar to China's regime. I don't. I'm against this type of system. No matter- is it a leftist or right wing regime. The problem is- there can be situations in life when you, maybe even accidentally are involved in some kinda conflict with allies of this regime. And you will not be able to get some justice. Your life will be destroyed. In last couple years you can feel a light version of it in USA. In Russia things are much more dark and dishonest. Mafia's state.
 

Hansel

Robin
Make a industrialisation plan like Japan did with 0 resources unlike Russia which has endlessly.
Agree with you except this. I believe not many people actually have an idea how Japan got industrialised. Answer: it was ruthless.

The Japanese government after the Meiji Restoration actively drove down quality of life of the lower class peasants to get the money to industrialise. This resulted in mass migration of Japanese prostitutes all over the world (mostly East Asia), which the government certainly knew of, but implicitly encouraged it because the women would mail the money back to Japan so in the end, the government benefitted. The plight of the ordinary Japanese of course did not end here, but suffice to say industrialization did not lead to good lives for them, until the Japanese eventually got enough capital, and educated citizens, AND a proper opportunity ie. in the 50s when they started rebuilding everything as well as manufacturing for American soldiers in the Korean War.

There are of course lots of Russian women engaged in prostitution, but I'm pretty sure you don't approve of this, and most of them are looking to emigrate to some Western European country anyway. As for the opportunity to rebuild, they would first need to get destroyed first.
 

Goni

Woodpecker
I would ask you a question - do you want to live in authoritarian/ totalitarian regime? Similar to China's regime. I don't. I'm against this type of system. No matter- is it a leftist or right wing regime. The problem is- there can be situations in life when you, maybe even accidentally are involved in some kinda conflict with allies of this regime. And you will not be able to get some justice. Your life will be destroyed. In last couple years you can feel a light version of it in USA. In Russia things are much more dark and dishonest. Mafia's state.
Let me ask a question, do you think you live in a democracy in the USA?

Have you tried to criticise publically the overpowered jews in USA and the west?

The entire degradation of society, how feminism has made the females act like drunk men, mass migration, leftism, destruction of family cell?

Denounce this and see how your life will go.
 
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